finding address for small claims case

beaufoy

I employed a somewhat lacking plumber who walked off the job after he flooded my apartment. I actually found said plumber on adverts ie who say they know his address but will not supply me with it until i get a court order...do i go to a lawyer or go to a court if so which court to get said court order...I believe the address the adverts ie have is not verified so it might be fake

Darc19

It's expensive to get a court order.

Possibly claim from house insurance and have the insurance company try claim off him.


But possibly you have to accept some blame for getting a plumber from adverts? The best way is always to visit a local plumbing supplies place and ask them.


I presume you paid by cheque or card or bank transfer and got a receipt?

maestroamado

https://www.ccpc.ie/consumers/how-to-complain/small-claims-procedure/?gclid=CjwKCAjwkN6EBhBNEiwADVfyazbwuMs5UGp-d4xACFPqUnj3B9N0wliHel5_wjr3AKOs-hyZNiN5iRoCkisQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

This is it and you can do on-line...

Darc19

maestroamado wrote: »

https://www.ccpc.ie/consumers/how-to-complain/small-claims-procedure/?gclid=CjwKCAjwkN6EBhBNEiwADVfyazbwuMs5UGp-d4xACFPqUnj3B9N0wliHel5_wjr3AKOs-hyZNiN5iRoCkisQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

This is it and you can do on-line...

That's not what the op is asking

maestroamado

Darc19 wrote: »

That's not what the op is asking

i think it is as the heading says "small claims"

lawred2

maestroamado wrote: »

i think it is as the heading says "small claims"

He's asking for a means by which to get the plumber's address so he can file a small claim against the plumber.

maestroamado

lawred2 wrote: »

He's asking for a means by which to get the plumber's address so he can file a small claim against the plumber.

my mistake...

beaufoy

maestroamado wrote: »

https://www.ccpc.ie/consumers/how-to-complain/small-claims-procedure/?gclid=CjwKCAjwkN6EBhBNEiwADVfyazbwuMs5UGp-d4xACFPqUnj3B9N0wliHel5_wjr3AKOs-hyZNiN5iRoCkisQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

This is it and you can do on-line...

it says nothing about getting an address forthe claim

beaufoy

Darc19 wrote: »

It's expensive to get a court order.

Possibly claim from house insurance and have the insurance company try claim off him.


But possibly you have to accept some blame for getting a plumber from adverts? The best way is always to visit a local plumbing supplies place and ask them.


I presume you paid by cheque or card or bank transfer and got a receipt?

Last point first I did get a registered plumber but he said he was busy for 3 weeks and the tenant insisted he would continue using the broken (he broke it) bath tub if I did not get a plumber immediately.

The house insurance idea fails as well mountjoy sq have a 3000 euro access on plumbing claims

Now you say court orders are expensive hence it would seem you know how to obtain one please inform me...after all i can add said cost to the claim

beaufoy

Darc19 wrote: »

It's expensive to get a court order.

Possibly claim from house insurance and have the insurance company try claim off him.


But possibly you have to accept some blame for getting a plumber from adverts? The best way is always to visit a local plumbing supplies place and ask them.


I presume you paid by cheque or card or bank transfer and got a receipt?

please tell me how to obtain the court order

whippet

beaufoy wrote: »

please tell me how to obtain the court order

First port of call would be to contact a solicitor

Atlantic Dawn

If he's a registered gas installer you will get his address here by searching for his name...

https://rgii.ie/registered-installers/

beaufoy

whippet wrote: »

First port of call would be to contact a solicitor

a little more imagination might help bypass irish lawyers

beaufoy

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

If he's a registered gas installer you will get his address here by searching for his name...

https://rgii.ie/registered-installers/

i extremely doubt if he is a registered installer in fact i doubt if his birth was registered

893bet

Have a friend call him to their house to view a job. Then follow him for the day until he goes home.

893bet

893bet wrote: »

Have a friend call him to their house to view a job. Then follow him for the day until he goes home.

Haha, I like how your mind works.

beaufoy

Good idea but I do not have any friends...do you want to be my friend???

Jerry Attrick

beaufoy wrote: »

I employed a somewhat lacking plumber who walked off the job after he flooded my apartment. I actually found said plumber on adverts ie who say they know his address but will not supply me with it until i get a court order...do i go to a lawyer or go to a court if so which court to get said court order...I believe the address the adverts ie have is not verified so it might be fake

Let's hear three hearty cheers for GDPR - the criminal and conman's best friend.

whippet

beaufoy wrote: »

a little more imagination might help bypass irish lawyers

If you want proper legal advise you need to pay for it ..

JeffKenna

beaufoy wrote: »

I employed a somewhat lacking plumber who walked off the job after he flooded my apartment. I actually found said plumber on adverts ie who say they know his address but will not supply me with it until i get a court order...do i go to a lawyer or go to a court if so which court to get said court order...I believe the address the adverts ie have is not verified so it might be fake

Bit of social media stalking should get you his address. Put his number into the search on Facebook for a start and see what comes up.

db

https://privateinvestigationsireland.ie/

Peregrinus

beaufoy wrote: »

a little more imagination might help bypass irish lawyers

Bypassing the licensed plumber is what's got you into this mess. If you want your court application for a disclosure order against the operators of adverts.ie to end up looking like your bathroom now looks, then by all means bypass the lawyer.

K.Flyer

beaufoy wrote: »

Last point first I did get a registered plumber but he said he was busy for 3 weeks and the tenant insisted he would continue using the broken (he broke it) bath tub if I did not get a plumber immediately.

I sincerely hope you take the cost of that bath damage out his deposit.
And as for his demand for wanting it fixed Immediately, I'd have told him stay away from it until it was fixed and warned him that he would be held liable for any further water damage if he used it.

mondeoman72

If Adverts give you his information. It is Adverts that would be in court. That's the law unfortunately.

beaufoy

mondeoman72 wrote: »

If Adverts give you his information. It is Adverts that would be in court. That's the law unfortunately.

adverts will not give me info unless i get a court order

beaufoy

JeffKenna wrote: »

Bit of social media stalking should get you his address. Put his number into the search on Facebook for a start and see what comes up.

facebook did not work for me his no i think is [snip]

mondeoman72

beaufoy wrote: »

adverts will not give me info unless i get a court order

Correct. If they did, the Data Protection Comissioner would prosecute them. Hence you need a court order or a request from the gardai under a particular section, 40 something.

JustAThought

beaufoy wrote: »

I employed a somewhat lacking plumber who walked off the job after he flooded my apartment. I actually found said plumber on adverts ie who say they know his address but will not supply me with it until i get a court order...do i go to a lawyer or go to a court if so which court to get said court order...I believe the address the adverts ie have is not verified so it might be fake

Don’t you need the registered company name - if he bothered - which may not be the name he advertises umder or his own name. Ring the Companies Registration Office (CRO) in Dublin and explain to them. They may be able to help you or may do a search for you using his name as the registered name of a company filed under his nMe or phone number. I have always found them to be very helpful.

Of course he may not be a registered aole trader/company and just some bloke soing nixeds or working cash in hand with an 083 number - in which case you have little hope, and will beat get revenge by either filing a complaint with the gaurds for criminal damage or ruining his business by stalking him on FB and posting images of the damage he did and getting all your friends (after he blocks you) to do the same or ask - are you the guy who did a runner after doing thousands of euro worth of damage every time gr posts....

Have you looked on LinkedIn for him?

893bet

beaufoy wrote: »

Good idea but I do not have any friends...do you want to be my friend???

Get a throwaway Sim and arrange for him to go to a random house or better still a business, Be there at the time and when he gets there, the house owner will have no idea. Follow him from there.

Could not be easier.

Irishphotodesk

in the old days (pre digital) it was easy - now, there are rules and regulations and protocol which needs to be followed.

it's possible there may be a digital way of finding the guy, but the safest way to do it and remain within the correct procedures would be to contact a member of the legal profession and let them use the tools that are available to them.

beaufoy

mondeoman72 wrote: »

Correct. If they did, the Data Protection Comissioner would prosecute them. Hence you need a court order or a request from the gardai under a particular section, 40 something.

another person advised me the gardi could help but the gardi claimed they cannot help

Peregrinus

They could help if you reported a crime, and they investigated it. But there's no crime here — shoddy workmanship is not a crime.

JustAThought

Peregrinus wrote: »

They could help if you reported a crime, and they investigated it. But there's no crime here — shoddy workmanship is not a crime.

If you paid him and he did a runner then it’s a crime. Try another garda - or do you know one?

Darc19

JustAThought wrote: »

If you paid him and he did a runner then it’s a crime. Try another garda - or do you know one?

It's a civil matter. No Garda will get involved with someone who got some bloke off adverts and had an issue.

I suspect that the op pissed him off.

beaufoy

Darc19 wrote: »

It's a civil matter. No Garda will get involved with someone who got some bloke off adverts and had an issue.

I suspect that the op pissed him off.

It would not surprise me if the final e mail I sent before he quit was the cause of him quitting of course it was unreasonable of me to expect a working bathroom to verified as made good before I made final payment

Original message

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From: john squire <johnbs>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020, 19:53
To: ‪‪william flan>
Subject: Re: Details
Hello Wil

The bathroom looks worse now than it did before

Tomorrow I will transfer 425 euro at 12 o'clock and the other 500 will be transferred when you finish the job, and supply good pictures of a reasonable looking completed bathroom including painting of mold. Also it will have to be tested by the tenants and they have to confirm that they are happy with the job

Please send a picture of all receipts for tax purposes

Please read question below, and answer them in order to receive payment

1) I need pictures of what was done and a guarantee it all works, and receipts
2) I need pictures of all the apt with suggestions what can be done to improve the apt and estimates
3) I need pictures of my tenant and his sub letter/boyfriend
4) on the phone you say the sub letter said something nasty to you...what did he say



regards...john

JimmyVik

Ring him from a burner.
Hi William. Acme and associates here. We are working for the estate of a recently deceased Felim McCarthy. It has come up in the unpaid bills that he owes you €350 for plumbing services rendered.
We can only pay by cheque.
where should we send the cheque to?

Sleeper12

beaufoy wrote:

Now you say court orders are expensive hence it would seem you know how to obtain one please inform me...after all i can add said cost to the claim

I hate to bring bad news but the reality is that almost all if not all on Donedeal /Adverts aren't real tradesmen. They most likely don't have insurance or pay tax. If he's advertising without a business name then you can be sure he's a cash cowboy. I suppose if he ran away then you already know he is a cowboy & has no insurance

Its very possible that after spending a small fortune getting his address & bring him to court that he has no money. If he's on the dole you'll have a moral victory but not a monitory one.

I'm in the plumbing trade myself. It might be cheaper to go through your own insurance and just take the hit. I do feel sorry for the mess he's left you in

beaufoy

JimmyVik wrote: »

Ring him from a burner.
Hi William. Acme and associates here. We are working for the estate of a recently deceased Felim McCarthy. It has come up in the unpaid bills that he owes you €350 for plumbing services rendered.
We can only pay by cheque.
where should we send the cheque to?

Not a bad idea I have done something like it before. My tenant against my direct orders sublet my apt and half of his bed to his boyfriend. I knew he was there but the tenant did reasonable cover up. I posted a recorded delivery letter to the boyfriend at my apt but a message came back not known here , so I did the same again 6 months later but wrote refund cheque on the envelope and he signed

beaufoy

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I hate to bring bad news but the reality is that almost all if not all on Donedeal /Adverts aren't real tradesmen. They most likely don't have insurance or pay tax. If he's advertising without a business name then you can be sure he's a cash cowboy. I suppose if he ran away then you already know he is a cowboy & has no insurance

Its very possible that after spending a small fortune getting his address & bring him to court that he has no money. If he's on the dole you'll have a moral victory but not a monitory one.

I'm in the plumbing trade myself. It might be cheaper to go through your own insurance and just take the hit. I do feel sorry for the mess he's left you in

30 years ago I sued someone for 10GBP it was the principle

Sleeper12

beaufoy wrote:

30 years ago I sued someone for 10GBP it was the principle

I hear you loud and clear. I just wanted you to have all the information.