Best sub €500 watch

Time

Inspired by recent talk about "homages" i'm interested to know what people think is the best sub €500 watch. I'm going to insert the caveat here that it be something other than a Seiko or a Solas, because thats too easy.

unkel

Quondam (Davosa Argonautic clone), ETA 2824-2 movement, proper Swiss diving watch. I paid €210 for mine brand new, including shipping. That was a few years ago though. A total steal.

scwazrh

Its hard to beat the quality of Steinhart for under €500 - the ocean one at €400 price point is a very well finished, reliable movement and good looking watch. It’s a real shame it’s not a bit more different in design to the obvious watch it copies

dinorebel

Honestly for the price this is pretty much unbeatable

893bet

scwazrh wrote: »

Its hard to beat the quality of Steinhart for under €500 - the ocean one at €400 price point is a very well finished, reliable movement and good looking watch. It’s a real shame it’s not a bit more different in design to the obvious watch it copies

I was thinking that when looking the flack Pangani is getting. Steinhart has straddled that homage line for a long time.

blue5000

+1 for Steinhart, but came on here to suggest Seiko turtle until I saw the OP. Some of the micro brands are worth a look, Nth, someone on here has one. Do you want a diver or something more like a dress watch?

Thirdfox

In many ways you're spoilt for choice at the 500 euro mark - do you want complications, material or homage 1:1 likeness etc.?

You get tourbillons for 3-400 usd on sale, access to titanium (including grade 2), some very 1:1 homages at this price point - just not all 3 in the same package. So it depends…

I think for a strong contender of an original brand I'd vote for Beijing Beihai:
https://bartels-watches.com/en/products/bwf-beijing-watch-beihai
395 euro so you have servicing costs left over too - 3/4 plate, in-house movement, gold (plated) chatons and relatively decent finishing for the price all in a slim package that isn't a direct homage of anything else.

edit: put in photos:

Mitch Buchannon

^ The round date window isn't to my taste but overall that's a very smart looking watch TF.

unkel

If you like big divers, you can't really go wrong with the Sharkmasters from OceanX

Here is the James Cameron homage, the OceanX Sharkmaster 1000 SMS1012 at about €399 iirc, but seems forever sold out. Awesome for the money:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k74NF2y1HYo

Pablo_Flox

Have to also agree with Steinhart.

It depends how strict we are being with the €500 but if I was going new I would go with this:



OR, go second hand at get this (which would be what I would choose)



Steinhart seems to be be a popular choice, and having owned 4 different versions at different stages it is easy to see why.

unkel

Steinhart gets my vote too. Another big benefit of them is that they don't depreciate like a brick like most other watches in this price class. I had one myself, the Ocean One 41 Green. Bought and sold for around the €260 mark if I remember right. A lot of watch for the money. Had a proper Swiss automatic 2824-2 movement too.

Cyclingtourist

Time wrote: »

Inspired by recent talk about "homages" i'm interested to know what people think is the best sub €500 watch. I'm going to insert the caveat here that it be something other than a Seiko or a Solas, because thats too easy.

I don't really get that caveat. I mean it's all going to be subjective opinion anyway so why exclude a couple of brands from the start?

A more interesting caveat might be to exclude all out and out homages. I know that with most watches they take some design inspiration from other brands but I'm really thinking of Steinhart and similar.

Anyway out of my own collection (watches I've got direct experience of) I'll pick the Hamilton Khaki Field mechanical which I bought on Chrono24 brand new & delivered (another rule to apply) for €365. It's a subjective judgement based on my own caveats (as stated above).

unkel

Cyclingtourist wrote: »

I don't really get that caveat. I mean it's all going to subjective opinion anyway so why exclude a couple of brands from the start?

Well it's the OP's prerogative, innit? If you want to start a thread with under €500 Seikos, work away

Cyclingtourist

unkel wrote: »

Well it's the OP's prerogative, innit? If you want to start a thread with under €500 Seikos, work away

Excluding Seiko as 'too easy' gets you a thread where Steinhart becomes the easy option. I have one myself (as well as a couple of Seikos) but I'd still go for the Hamilton because it ticks more of my subjective boxes.

Not interested in starting my own thread, I'd rather bend the rules on someone else's. :cool:

Fitz II

I think we would need more information to narrow it down and define best. What kind of watch? Auto or quartz? Braclet or strap?

My gut feeling is buy a casio duro and spend the extra 425 euro on booze.

Time

Cyclingtourist wrote: »

I don't really get that caveat. I mean it's all going to be subjective opinion anyway so why exclude a couple of brands from the start?

A more interesting caveat might be to exclude all out and out homages. I know that with most watches they take some design inspiration from other brands but I'm really thinking of Steinhart and similar.

Anyway out of my own collection (watches I've got direct experience of) I'll pick the Hamilton Khaki Field mechanical which I bought on Chrono24 brand new & delivered (another rule to apply) for €365. It's a subjective judgement based on my own caveats (as stated above).

The rationale was the seiko would be the only answer otherwise, had forgotten about Steinhart though and probably should have excluded them too.

Would agree on the Khaki Field. Great little watch.

Cyclingtourist

Time wrote: »

The rationale was the seiko would be the only answer otherwise, had forgotten about Steinhart though and probably should have excluded them too.

Would agree on the Khaki Field. Great little watch.

I agree you would certainly have had quite a few people picking Seikos but 'the only answer'? I doubt it.

If the object is to make people think and come up with less obvious choices then excluding well loved brands or categories like 'divers' is one way to go I suppose but it will mean people aren't necessarily picking their 'best sub-€500 watch'.

Blanchy90

What about a Mitchell Timepieces Raider? On sale for $399 at the minute and there are only 2 left in white.

I have the black and love it

Interesting thread, and a timely one for me too.

I was considering buying one of the Ocean Ones (either the black or vintage military) as a present for a friend of mine. I'm sure he would love it, but my concern would be that would you get snobs who would think he was a fake/cheap/poser for wearing it? Would I be better getting him something else that is not an "homage"?

Such a concern would not bother me at all (I wore an F-91W for years in the office despite the terrorist jibes ha) but its a gift for someone else so worth considering, don't want to give someone something if you'll get pricks trying to embarrass him.

Time

Cyclingtourist wrote: »

I agree you would certainly have had quite a few people picking Seikos but 'the only answer'? I doubt it.

I meant it more figuratively, but for build quality etc.. Seiko are up there in that bracket on several models.

tjhook

Hmm. €500 won't get the most elegant watch, or the most complex complications, or the best dive watch.

You know what it will get? The best rough 'n' tumble watch.

G-Shock 5610. Solar powered, radio-controlled. Never needs winding, charging, battery changes or time setting. Tough as old boots. Cheap enough that losing/breaking it wouldn't be a disaster.

And enough change for a few meals out (when the world is back to normal).

Thirdfox

Elyse Clean Pocketbook wrote: »

Interesting thread, and a timely one for me too.

I was considering buying one of the Ocean Ones (either the black or vintage military) as a present for a friend of mine. I'm sure he would love it, but my concern would be that would you get snobs who would think he was a fake/cheap/poser for wearing it? Would I be better getting him something else that is not an "homage"?

Such a concern would not bother me at all (I wore an F-91W for years in the office despite the terrorist jibes ha) but its a gift for someone else so worth considering, don't want to give someone something if you'll get pricks trying to embarrass him.

You sound like an awesome friend - do you know your friend well? Because for a lot of guys who like watches - a watch is a very personal thing (it would be like giving a lady friend some earrings…that she might be wearing every day).

My wife knows not to get me a watch ever - since I would have veeeeery particular tastes and ideas of what I like - having said that I have gifted a male friend a watch both for a birthday because I knew he is the type of guy who loves any gift and isn't a "watch guy".

So knowing your audience will be important - if they don't care much about watches would a different gift be more appreciated? If they really love their watches they may have a clear idea of what they like/don't like.

Unless he's said "oh man I'd love a Steinhart Ocean One" I wouldn't risk getting such a "large value" gift for them.

To answer your direct question though - anyone who would "look down" on someone for wearing a Steinhart or even a Pagani etc. isn't worth your or your friend's time. It probably won't be considered haute horology but a Steinhart isn't claiming to be.

There may be a possibility that someone is genuinely interested in seeing your friend's "Rolex" and there may be a tiny bit of awkwardness (for some people) if they need to explain what a homage brand/model is vs say a copy - but frankly most people don't comment on watches I wear - the last time someone commented on my watch (Tudor Pelagos) was while in an airport security line and the TSA agent mentioned nice watch and flashed his Blancpain Fifty Fathoms - two WIS passing one another with a nod and smile

david

tjhook wrote: »

Hmm. €500 won't get the most elegant watch, or the most complex complications, or the best dive watch.

You know what it will get? The best rough 'n' tumble watch.

G-Shock 5610. Solar powered, radio-controlled. Never needs winding, charging, battery changes or time setting. Tough as old boots. Cheap enough that losing/breaking it wouldn't be a disaster.

And enough change for a few meals out (when the world is back to normal).

I'd probably be looking G Shock in this category to be honest. My square is my only affordable watch.



IIRC the rechargeable battery does have a finite life though, 10 years from memory?

Thirdfox

Thirdfox wrote: »

You sound like an awesome friend - do you know your friend well? Because for a lot of guys who like watches - a watch is a very personal thing (it would be like giving a lady friend some earrings…that she might be wearing every day).

My wife knows not to get me a watch ever - since I would have veeeeery particular tastes and ideas of what I like - having said that I have gifted a male friend a watch both for a birthday because I knew he is the type of guy who loves any gift and isn't a "watch guy".

So knowing your audience will be important - if they don't care much about watches would a different gift be more appreciated? If they really love their watches they may have a clear idea of what they like/don't like.

Unless he's said "oh man I'd love a Steinhart Ocean One" I wouldn't risk getting such a "large value" gift for them.

To answer your direct question though - anyone who would "look down" on someone for wearing a Steinhart or even a Pagani etc. isn't worth your or your friend's time. It probably won't be considered haute horology but a Steinhart isn't claiming to be.

There may be a possibility that someone is genuinely interested in seeing your friend's "Rolex" and there may be a tiny bit of awkwardness (for some people) if they need to explain what a homage brand/model is vs say a copy - but frankly most people don't comment on watches I wear - the last time someone commented on my watch (Tudor Pelagos) was while in an airport security line and the TSA agent mentioned nice watch and flashed his Blancpain Fifty Fathoms - two WIS passing one another with a nod and smile

Yeah I know he'd love it, but I'll show him whatever I order him before I pay just to be 100%. He's not a watch guy he is starting a new job/career so it's a gift for that. My worry is that he will be delighted with it, and then some killjoy would rain on his parade, very unlikely I suppose. I was just thinking about when I worked in his new industry there was more than a few rich daddy snobs, although I suppose that kind of "banter" is classified as bullying now and not the done thing. I'm overthinking it, I think!

scwazrh

Elyse Clean Pocketbook wrote: »

My worry is that he will be delighted with it, and then some killjoy would rain on his parade, very unlikely I suppose.

I sold my Steinhart after someone asked me was it the new model submariner.I explained to them it was a homage watch etc but at the time it felt like I was wearing a fake .

Cyclingtourist

scwazrh wrote: »

I sold my Steinhart after someone asked me was it the new model submariner.I explained to them it was a homage watch etc but at the time it felt like I was wearing a fake .

When you're explaining you're losing.

I'd just say 'no it's a Steinhart'. If they asked what a Steinhart was I'd tell them it's a German watch that has a quality Swiss movement.

scwazrh

It’s not all Steinharts though that are homages .I had a lovely steinhart that I sold as it was just a bit too big but quality wise it’s was very high .Unitas 6498 movement nicely decorated, lovely crocodile leather strap and engraved deployant. Cost around €450 , Great value.

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Time

scwazrh wrote: »

It’s not all Steinharts though that are homages .I had a lovely steinhart that I sold as it was just a bit too big but quality wise it’s was very high .Unitas 6498 movement nicely decorated, lovely crocodile leather strap and engraved deployant. Cost around €450 , Great value.

Very nice for €450

893bet

scwazrh wrote: »

It’s not all Steinharts though that are homages .I had a lovely steinhart that I sold as it was just a bit too big but quality wise it’s was very high .Unitas 6498 movement nicely decorated, lovely crocodile leather strap and engraved deployant. Cost around €450 , Great value.

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I had one of those myself. I recall it to be a lovely “buttery” winding watch. But at 44mm and wearing like a 48mm! Didn’t last too long.

Time

893bet wrote: »

I had one of those myself. I recall it to be a lovely “buttery” winding watch. But at 44mm and wearing like a 48mm! Didn’t last too long.

44mm! thats huge for a more classically styled watch, especially if it wears bigger. Must be a limited enough market for it on that basis alone.

Thirdfox

Just like on the starlight - you’d be surprised how large the 38mm seems on the wrist. Since the Steinhart has a thin bezel too the dial takes up as much space as say a 46 or 48mm diver might with a chunky bezel. For the Starlight the design decision was made to give as much space over to the aventurine dial as possible hence minimal bezels - but I can understand why on a 44mm classic watch (and the Unitas really is a pocket watch movement suitable for 50mm pocket watches) would wear very large on a wrist (whereas a 44mm diver with say the same dial area as maybe a 38mm Starlight will seem fine on the wrist).

It’s why a 38mm diver with a chunky bezel can seem toy like too since it would have maybe a 34mm dress watch dial effectively.

Fitz II

scwazrh wrote: »

It’s not all Steinharts though that are homages .

Think the stowa marine and H. Moser. Venturer would disagree.

MarcusP12

With things opening up it might be worth the OP taking a spin to Kildare village and checking out Hour Passion....they stock all the swatch family so you get plenty of Tissot and Hamilton for sub 500 which would be less than their retail price.....500 quid is decent money to spend so maybe its worth trying on a few in person before committing....they do flash sales too apparently....

My sub 500 choice would be a hamilton....have a couple, favourite of which is a Khaki aviator 42mm quartz....

Cienciano

Yeah, Hamilton do a few nice watches. Here's one although chances are you'll get caught for customs.

MarcusP12

Cienciano wrote: »

Yeah, Hamilton do a few nice watches. Here's one although chances are you'll get caught for customs.

I’m not sure what their policy is these days as been a while since I bought from them but if I recall, they tended to be a bit “pro buyer” with their customs declarations….if you know what I mean….

As a non-diver/sports watch option, a Tissot Heritage Visodate should be around that price, and is outstanding value. Attractive dial and case, display back, housing an ETA 2836 with nicely done vintage throwback looks.

You wouldn't be taking it swimming but other than that, a great all rounder. Lots of options for the dial colour. You can get it on a leather strap with deployant or a milanese bracelet.

Padre_Pio

ecoli3136 wrote: »

As a non-diver/sports watch option, a Tissot Heritage Visodate should be around that price, and is outstanding value. Attractive dial and case, display back, housing an ETA 2836 with nicely done vintage throwback looks.

You wouldn't be taking it swimming but other than that, a great all rounder. Lots of options for the dial colour. You can get it on a leather strap with deployant or a milanese bracelet.

That blue face :eek:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_An-qwE3BM4

Take my money.

MarcusP12

ecoli3136 wrote: »

As a non-diver/sports watch option, a Tissot Heritage Visodate should be around that price, and is outstanding value. Attractive dial and case, display back, housing an ETA 2836 with nicely done vintage throwback looks.

You wouldn't be taking it swimming but other than that, a great all rounder. Lots of options for the dial colour. You can get it on a leather strap with deployant or a milanese bracelet.

Yeah, i'd second that....tried one on before and wears a bit on the small side for me but they're a very nice watch.....also the seiko prestidge (I think) cocktail dial is a nice one too in a similar style....

Lorddrakul

The modern Strela for less than 500 is hard to beat.

https://www.poljot24.de/en/co40cyb2.html

griffin100

I like the look of some of the Dan Henry designs - https://danhenrywatches.com/collections/vintage-watches

dinorebel

griffin100 wrote: »

I like the look of some of the Dan Henry designs - https://danhenrywatches.com/collections/vintage-watches

Big fan of the 1970.

sbs2010

griffin100 wrote: »

I like the look of some of the Dan Henry designs - https://danhenrywatches.com/collections/vintage-watches

Some of those are lovely. Had a 1970 in my basket all ready to go just now but they don't deliver to Ireland

Lorddrakul

sbs2010 wrote: »

Some of those are lovely. Had a 1970 in my basket all ready to go just now but they don't deliver to Ireland

T'would be the '62 'Evil Panda' for me.


These are the ones that use Seiko meca-quartz movements - I likes them.

Edit to add: What's the story with not delivering to Ireland?

On this one above, it says: Free shipping worldwide / to EU (VAT included)

Da' Feck?

Cyclingtourist

sbs2010 wrote: »

Some of those are lovely. Had a 1970 in my basket all ready to go just now but they don't deliver to Ireland

Yes according to their 'shipping info' Ireland is the only country in the EU that they don't ship to, which is surprising.

I sent them an email to ask why. Will let you know if and when they respond.

Edit: I got an answer pretty quickly and here's what it says:

"Unfortunately, we were forced to stop shipping to Ireland due to the
many ongoing delivery issues and losses by the Irish postal services,
or by shipping couriers such as UPS and DHL.

Alternatively, we could send your watch to a friend or relative of yours
in one of the countries listed as available for shipping on our checkout;
or you can also hire a mail forwarder that provides an address in the EU.
(such as France, Germany, Austria, etc.)"

hitemfrank

sbs2010 wrote: »

Some of those are lovely. Had a 1970 in my basket all ready to go just now but they don't deliver to Ireland

Which colour version we're you looking to buy?

sbs2010

hitemfrank wrote: »

Which colour version we're you looking to buy?

Blue.

hitemfrank

I was torn between the orange or blue version when I got mine. Went for the orange in the end after much consideration.

rdhma

'Best' is obviously subjective, but my preference would be for something very clean and uncluttered, with a dial having radial symmetry.

At comfortably under the price limit, the Mondaine Simply Elegant.


https://mondaine.com/collections/mens-watches/products/mondaine-sbb-simplyelegant-steel-41mm

oldsmokey

Thirdfox wrote: »

In many ways you're spoilt for choice at the 500 euro mark - do you want complications, material or homage 1:1 likeness etc.?

You get tourbillons for 3-400 usd on sale, access to titanium (including grade 2), some very 1:1 homages at this price point - just not all 3 in the same package. So it depends…

I think for a strong contender of an original brand I'd vote for Beijing Beihai:
https://bartels-watches.com/en/products/bwf-beijing-watch-beihai
395 euro so you have servicing costs left over too - 3/4 plate, in-house movement, gold (plated) chatons and relatively decent finishing for the price all in a slim package that isn't a direct homage of anything else.

edit: put in photos:

That’s not abad looking watch, but my heart would sink a little every time I looked at it , knowing it’s Chinese

Thirdfox

oldsmokey wrote: »

That’s not abad looking watch, but my heart would sink a little every time I looked at it , knowing it’s Chinese

why? Beijing Watch Factory was set up in 1958 so plenty of horological history...

http://chinesewatchwiki.net/Beijing_Watch_Factory

They also make watches that cost around $20,000 and above too - beautiful cloisonné dials, double tourbillons etc. - and nothing to do with fakes

Cienciano

Jasus, that's mad smokey. Looks, quality and value are the 3 important things for me, couldn't care less where it's made.