is that legal for sandwich shops to advertise margarine for butter

markmoto

When ordering a sandwich I being asked if I want butter and every time it's either margarine or blended butter.

Even blended butter comes with only ~60% butter and rests hydrogenated oils and other cheap add-ons.

This kind of butter offer makes me believe I am getting quality stuff in fact getting some junk spread that taste like butter.

is that legal?

jimmycrackcorm

They aren't actually advertising it. You can also see in front of you that, coming out of a tub, it clearly isn't Kerrygold. Informally referring to butter is generic. But it wouldn't be legal to have your sandwich labelled as containing real butter when it has a substitute.

markmoto

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

They aren't actually advertising it. You can also see in front of you that, coming out of a tub, it clearly isn't Kerrygold. Informally referring to butter is generic. But it wouldn't be legal to have your sandwich labelled as containing real butter when it has a substitute.

Well, I get asked if I want butter and served a large chunk of margarine over.
Misrepresentation?

drogon.

Almost all vinegar sold in most chip shop isn't vinegar either. They are technically called non-brewed condiment - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-brewed_condiment

spurious

D'ya want butter?
Is it butter?
Nah.
Nah, you're OK thanks.

Rows Grower

drogon. wrote: »

Almost all vinegar sold in most chip shop isn't vinegar either. They are technically called non-brewed condiment - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-brewed_condiment

Never once heard of a chip shop charging for vinegar.

DaSchmo

Rows Grower wrote: »

Never once heard of a chip shop charging for vinegar.

I have a small bottle of non brewed condiment in my kitchen that was sold by a very well known chipper in Dublin that's labelled "Classic Chipshop Vinegar" which they sell at about 2.50 a bottle.

That said it's what everyone perceives to be Vinegar in a chip shop and it's delicious so I doubt they've ever had a complaint.

drogon.

Rows Grower wrote: »

Never once heard of a chip shop charging for vinegar.

Well it is included in the price !

Rows Grower

DaSchmo wrote: »

I have a small bottle of non brewed condiment in my kitchen that was sold by a very well known chipper in Dublin that's labelled "Classic Chipshop Vinegar" which they sell at about 2.50 a bottle.

That said it's what everyone perceives to be Vinegar in a chip shop and it's delicious so I doubt they've ever had a complaint.

Wow, that's very clever marketing.

I buy vinegar in bulk for various uses, usually 4x5 litre containers costs about 20 euro.

Dial Hard

Rows Grower wrote: »

Never once heard of a chip shop charging for vinegar.

And I've never once heard of anyone being charged for butter on their sambo in a deli.

Sleeper12

Rows Grower wrote:

Never once heard of a chip shop charging for vinegar.

Most chippers sell bottles of vinegar. At least in Dublin they do

listermint

spurious wrote: »

D'ya want butter?
Is it butter?
Nah.
Nah, you're OK thanks.

Pragmatism, love it !

snoopy84

Dial Hard wrote:

And I've never once heard of anyone being charged for butter on their sambo in a deli.

In england once, I ordered a chip butty off the menu when going to pay I was asked if I wanted butter, dumbfounded I replied well yes it is a chip BUTTY
That will be ten pence please

athlone573

I would guess most of the blended butters don't include hydrogenated fats, also known as trans fats, which are indisputably adverse to health and are used for the purpose of hardening.

How would you prefer the minimum wage employees at the sandwich stand to describe such spreads? I'm sure if you go in at a quiet time and ask them what butter they're using, it won't be a secret.

tscul32

I wouldn't think there's a legal issue with it but it's definitely annoying. Some people are very laid back about that kind if thing but others are particular about their food. I ordered a sandwich off the board somewhere once, had brie and pesto in it which I love together. She starts making it up then when just the brie left to add says we've no brie today, cheddar ok? I'm not a fan of cheddar and pesto together so I asked for a different sambo. She was not impressed. I personally don't take butter or any spread on a sambo but I'd imagine if I was expecting butter cos that's what I was asked about then I wouldn't be too happy getting a different spread. But as above "is it real butter?" would solve it. I know to say "no spread" when ordering a sambo - said "no butter" once and was told it wasn't butter!

endofrainbow

Buttahr or mayo?

Lmkrnr

Would butter ie Kerry Gold need to be stored in a fridge for HACCP reason's, which will keep it hard and not spreadable. Wouldn't make sense to have it then. They will always need a spreadable version.

davindub

Hmm, probably better not to ask about their meat composition either or where exactly on the animal the meat comes from.

Caranica

Lmkrnr wrote: »

Would butter ie Kerry Gold need to be stored in a fridge for HACCP reason's, which will keep it hard and not spreadable. Wouldn't make sense to have it then. They will always need a spreadable version.

Kerrygold and Connacht Gold both produce spreadable butters. Connacht Gold also do a low fat one but it's definitely butter.

Don't think it's a legal issue but I get where you're coming from OP. I detest spreads and I hate when places offer "butter" and it's actually a spread.

Darth Melkor

endofrainbow wrote: »

Buttahr or mayo?

Both please.

sdanseo

Worked in a deli once. The "butter" came in 2kg tubs of Dairygold, the exact same stuff you buy off the shelf.

Something like this Kerrymaid one https://www.pallasfoods.com/product/kerrymaid-2kg-tub/

No hydrogenated fat I don't think. The only thing I've seen that in for the last decade is stuff made in the US like Reese's (unfortunately doesn't stop me occasionally eating them!)

Caranica

sdanseo wrote: »

Worked in a deli once. The butter came in 2kg tubs of Dairygold, the exact same stuff you buy off the shelf.

Something like this Kerrymaid one https://www.pallasfoods.com/product/kerrymaid-2kg-tub/

No hydrogenated fat I don't think. The only thing I've seen that in for the last decade is stuff made in the US like Reese's (unfortunately doesn't stop me occasionally eating them!)

Neither Kerrymaid nor Dairygold are butter?

BabysCoffee

sdanseo wrote: »

Worked in a deli once. The butter came in 2kg tubs of Dairygold, the exact same stuff you buy off the shelf.

Something like this Kerrymaid one https://www.pallasfoods.com/product/kerrymaid-2kg-tub/

No hydrogenated fat I don't think. The only thing I've seen that in for the last decade is stuff made in the US like Reese's (unfortunately doesn't stop me occasionally eating them!)

That's not butter

I feel the same when I order a can of 7-up and they bring me a Sprite instead. I usually solve the issue by bouncing the can off the back of their head as they walk away.

Probably tougher to do with a sandwich in fairness.

sdanseo

Caranica wrote: »

Neither Kerrymaid nor Dairygold are butter?

BabysCoffee wrote: »

That's not butter

Never said it was just saying no hydrogenated crap

Dairygold (& maybe Kerrygold) is only cream and salt. The rest are full of oils.

Grolschevik

Don't start me on the mayo/salad cream debacle...

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I feel the same when I order a can of 7-up and they bring me a Sprite instead. I usually solve the issue by bouncing the can off the back of their head as they walk away.

Probably tougher to do with a sandwich in fairness.

You sir, made me spit tea.

After hours for light chat. arguments cards and bans

Legal for serious discussion. 3 pages of pure and in fairness, hilarious piss taking.

lawred2

You could make your own sandwiches

lawred2

snoopy84 wrote: »

In england once, I ordered a chip butty off the menu when going to pay I was asked if I wanted butter, dumbfounded I replied well yes it is a chip BUTTY
That will be ten pence please

I don't think the 'butty' referred to butter.. did it?

killbillvol2

BabysCoffee wrote: »

That's not butter

I can't believe it...

markmoto

Caranica wrote: »

Kerrygold and Connacht Gold both produce spreadable butters. Connacht Gold also do a low fat one but it's definitely butter.

Don't think it's a legal issue but I get where you're coming from OP. I detest spreads and I hate when places offer "butter" and it's actually a spread.

spreadable butter called blended butter ~65% butter and rest vegetable oil /hydrogenated crap and perhaps mention olive oil but doubt that.

Marcusm

Caranica wrote: »

Kerrygold and Connacht Gold both produce spreadable butters. Connacht Gold also do a low fat one but it's definitely butter.

Don't think it's a legal issue but I get where you're coming from OP. I detest spreads and I hate when places offer "butter" and it's actually a spread.

Connacht Gold Spreadable includes vegetable oil; I imagine most of them do as it makes them spreadable whereas butter is a solid at low temperatures.

Marcusm

markmoto wrote: »

spreadable butter called blended butter ~65% butter and rest vegetable oil /hydrogenated crap and perhaps mention olive oil but doubt that.

Do any of them include hydrogenated oil? My understanding is that the point of hydrogenation is to make it sold whereas the point of adding to butter is to make it less solid. Simple liquid vegetable oil is going to achieve that.

How did this become a serious conversation about butter?

Del2005

Caranica wrote: »

Kerrygold and Connacht Gold both produce spreadable butters. Connacht Gold also do a low fat one but it's definitely butter.

Don't think it's a legal issue but I get where you're coming from OP. I detest spreads and I hate when places offer "butter" and it's actually a spread.

I've used the Connacht Gold spreadable butter before. It spread like just like real butter when you take it from the fridge, neither spread easily, so no use for a sandwich shop.

The only good thing about the "butter" they use in shops is they use so little you hardly even notice it.

Niner leprauchan

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

How did this become a serious conversation about butter?

I assume the mods will eventually kick it off to a more appropriate location.

Butter late than ever.

ShatterProof

sdanseo wrote: »

Never said it was just saying no hydrogenated crap

Dairygold (& maybe Kerrygold) is only cream and salt. The rest are full of oils.

You’re completely wrong about Dairygold. One of its main ingredients is palm oil. It is not butter.

Kerrygold is butter, cream and salt.

Caranica

markmoto wrote: »

spreadable butter called blended butter ~65% butter and rest vegetable oil /hydrogenated crap and perhaps mention olive oil but doubt that.

Finally remembered to check the Connacht Gold and nope, no oil at all in the ingredients.

athlone573

Caranica wrote: »

Finally remembered to check the Connacht Gold and nope, no oil at all in the ingredients.

Go on then what's in it apart from milk products? Water and emulsifiers?

snoopy84

lawred2 wrote:

I don't think the 'butty' referred to butter.. did it?

Yeah! Butty is short for buttered bread. I never knew that until I moved to England

markmoto

Caranica wrote: »

Finally remembered to check the Connacht Gold and nope, no oil at all in the ingredients.

no oil but 49% butter only. What takes another 51%; Salt, Lactic Acid, Preservative (Potassium Sorbate), Colour (Beta Carotene) ?

Unexplainable miracle

Peregrinus

markmoto wrote: »

no oil but 49% butter only. What takes another 51%; Salt, Lactic Acid, Preservative (Potassium Sorbate), Colour (Beta Carotene) ?

Unexplainable miracle

The missing ingredient will be water. And possibly milk powder.

Thoie

Caranica wrote: »

Kerrygold and Connacht Gold both produce spreadable butters. Connacht Gold also do a low fat one but it's definitely butter.

ShatterProof wrote: »

You’re completely wrong about Dairygold. One of its main ingredients is palm oil. It is not butter.

Kerrygold is butter, cream and salt.

The Kerrygold spreadable butter was, as above, dairy products and salt, and lovely. Last tub I bought now contains rapeseed oil, and it's gack. Leaves this greasy weird stuff on your toast. To be fair, when I checked the tub, it now has a big red stripe advertising the fact, which if I'd been paying any attention at all I'd have seen.