What whisk(e)y are we drinking? (Part 2)

lawrencesummers · 06-07-2021 3:11pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

€75 is the usual price for Waterford release, you can sometimes pick up a bottle on offer in O'Briens for €65 but I've never seen it cheaper than that.
They are hit and miss though.

I would consider it expensive because of the short age of it.

odyssey06 · 06-07-2021 4:26pm

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I would consider it expensive because of the short age of it.

True, you are paying the teh-roir premium

Sometimes it is worth it.

Black Sheep · 06-07-2021 6:27pm

I said when I tried a lot of the younger distilleries that I thought they were a little overpriced for what they were at this stage in their lives. I think that when the same spirit is matured several more years, and is selling at a similar price point (at least on core offerings), it will be more palatable.

But in saying that, I completely agree that the cachet, the newness of some of these distilleries 'justifies' some of the pricing. I don't think 60-75 is unreasonable for a whisky that is clearly intending to be in a boutique-y premium bracket, whether it's young or not, if the demand is there. And it clearly is.

From a personal point of view though, I can't help but compare to some similarly young spirits in Scotland from the likes of Kilchoman, Wolfburn, and I would opt for them every time. I know a bit of it is just that Irish whiskey just isn't my thing as much. Kilchoman and Wolfburn are similarly priced to Waterford for the most part. Maybe a tiny bit cheaper.

cloudatlas · 06-07-2021 7:38pm

Black Sheep wrote: »

From a personal point of view though, I can't help but compare to some similarly young spirits in Scotland from the likes of Kilchoman, Wolfburn, and I would opt for them every time. I know a bit of it is just that Irish whiskey just isn't my thing as much. Kilchoman and Wolfburn are similarly priced to Waterford for the most part. Maybe a tiny bit cheaper.

The first Ardnamurchan was very nice but generally speaking all of the young whisky I've tried from Scottish distilleries needs more time. They are rushing. Daftmill waited a long time because they didn't want to put out an inferior product, they already had an income from their farm but many distilleries NcNean, Lindores, Glasgow need to start making a return on the investment in building, marketing etc., so what comes out is young and sharp and not quite ready.

Black Sheep · 06-07-2021 8:55pm

cloudatlas wrote: »

The first Ardnamurchan was very nice but generally speaking all of the young whisky I've tried from Scottish distilleries needs more time. They are rushing. Daftmill waited a long time because they didn't want to put out an inferior product, they already had an income from their farm but many distilleries NcNean, Lindores, Glasgow need to start making a return on the investment in building, marketing etc., so what comes out is young and sharp and not quite ready.

A lot of young whiskey is too young for what it is being marketed as, in any country. I think some of the peated styles might be more forgiving though. Kilchoman does not taste its age.

Wailin · 06-07-2021 10:27pm

I don't think Waterford at €75 is ridiculous when you consider they are making their own stock from scratch. Most other new distilleries are using old stock from established distilleries and selling as their own, so are getting revenue straight off the bat, long before their own distillate is matured.

dmc17 · 06-07-2021 10:32pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

€75 is the usual price for Waterford release, you can sometimes pick up a bottle on offer in O'Briens for €65 but I've never seen it cheaper than that.
They are hit and miss though.

Few here on offer on Drinks Hero at ~€60. Have never ordered from here myself though.

Cazale · 15-07-2021 7:18am

Are we back?

15-07-2021 8:04am

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117611495#Comment_117611495

Yes...we were running on Redbreast 12yo.

And we were promised Redbreast 21yo

But we got Proper 12 instead..

BonnieSituation · 15-07-2021 11:31am

The hack of this.

cloudatlas · 15-07-2021 3:04pm

This GUI is doing my head in along with the creepy 90's rave generation smiley faces.

I'm going to need a large glass of Bushmills later.

Tazium · 15-07-2021 4:19pm

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Good spot, picked 3 bottles. Red Breast at 49.99 is a good price. Nearly fell off the chair with the price of Middleton very rare showing as 49.99 too. Someone put the decimal in the wrong spot, it's 499 😄

Cazale · 15-07-2021 5:40pm

I'm over in Connemara at the moment. Got chatting to the barman about whiskey in the hotel and ended up on the poitin. Got to try some very nice free under the counter stuff too.

Went over to the Micíl distillery earlier for a look. Got to stick the head in to the distillery for a quick sniff and got some poitin samples but it's closed for tours due to covid etc. Was in Powerscourt earlier in the week and tried the distillery but couldn't even get in the door for the same reasons. Not my week!

Cazale · 15-07-2021 9:58pm

When in Rome...

cloudatlas · 15-07-2021 11:17pm

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oh verdict?

Cazale · 16-07-2021 7:06pm

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It was a lovely drop. The 22 years has mellowed the peat. It's there but it soon goes into the background and soft fruity notes come to the fore. A nice sweetness to it. Don't think I'd buy a full size bottle but I would enjoy a glass again if offered.

Incidentally the barman at the hotel was telling me that with the American tourists all but gone for the past two summers that he has had to downsize the ultra premium whiskey and spirits on offer. With a handful of exceptions most Irish visitors aren't dropping big bucks for a glass of whiskey.

Cazale · 16-07-2021 8:39pm

Belfast Whiskey Week paused sales on it's website the other day. A lot of the tastings yet to sell out. It's going live again later on with free postage to anywhere in the world. They were charging £18 previously.

Black Sheep · 16-07-2021 10:09pm

Not that far away from you geographically Cazale. On Inis Meain tonight and sipping a large Dingle batch 4.

ctlsleh · 16-07-2021 11:02pm

Gentlemen and ladies,

I got a great recommendation here for green spot montelena, which is wonderful and I’ve thoroughly enjoyed it, so thanks you for that. Now I’m looking for something new.

currently my top shelf contains the following,

redbreast 12, redbreast 21, Waterford gaia, Waterford ballkilcavan, powers St. John’s lane, yellow spot, green-spot Montelena

what should I add next?

was thinking of a dingle? Or teeling?

Appreciate any new recommendations, price range €50-120ish

thanks in advance.

Cazale · 17-07-2021 8:01am

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I hope it went down well. I could have swam out to you but alas I'm back home now 😫

Cazale · 17-07-2021 8:04am

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Some great whiskey in the collection! Have you tried Method and Madness? The French Chestnut finish is really nice.

cloudatlas · 17-07-2021 11:42am

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I got the Powerscourt pack. Good price.

odyssey06 · 17-07-2021 1:25pm

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Am a big fan of the Montelena also ... you might appreciate:

Knappogue Castle 12 year old Barolo Cask finish approx €90

Gelstons Pinor Noir cask finish approx €45

Whistler Calvados cask finish approx €50

Cazale · 17-07-2021 6:14pm

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