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Caitlyn Jenner's statement on trans girls in girls' sports (MOD NOTE IN OP)

  • 02-05-2021 6:58am
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    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 8,823 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Shield


    It will be interesting to see how Caitlyn Jenner's statement from yesterday is received and if the 'fairness' discussion can be had now that the world's most famous transgender woman has given her opinion.

    TMZ did a quick interview below and she said on camera: "This is a question of fairness. That's why I oppose biological boys who are trans competing in girls' sports in school. It just isn't fair and we have to protect girls' sports in our schools."

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    The following are strictly prohibited in this thread:

    -Any advocation, either open or implicit of violence against trans people
    -Any statement that asserts or implies that transgenderism is a mental illness.
    -Any use of transphobic language
    -Misgendering or deadnaming trans people
    -Stating or implying that trans people are mutilating themselves


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  • Registered Users Posts: 830 ✭✭✭ carq


    If there is consistency in the twitter mobs logic then i expect them to be calling Jenner a transphobe.

    But that may be giving them too much credit to be consistant


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ the dunne


    Lol. This will be interesting.


  • Registered Users Posts: 38,249 ✭✭✭✭ Guy:Incognito


    Republican, running for political office as a republican, says things republicans want to hear? I'm shocked.


  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭ Mecrab


    Biological males are just to big, strong and aggressive for females. For contact sports like fighting it's straight up dangerous to allow MtF trans people compete against females


  • Registered Users Posts: 38,249 ✭✭✭✭ Guy:Incognito


    Nozebleed wrote: »
    not republican

    Did she stop being a Republican just for this?


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Did she stop being a Republican just for this?

    Saying that transwomen in female sports is unfair isn't a 'Republican' thing to say. Many left wing people and centrists feel the exact same way.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,057 ✭✭✭ PsychoPete


    Mecrab wrote: »
    Biological males are just to big, strong and aggressive for females. For contact sports like fighting it's straight up dangerous to allow MtF trans people compete against females

    Was there a male transgender mma fighter that broken a female fighters skull?


  • Registered Users Posts: 513 ✭✭✭ isha


    Republican, running for political office as a republican, says things republicans want to hear? I'm shocked.

    That attempt at spin is a tad weak when trying to compete with the fact of Time's hugely famous transgender Woman of the Year telling the whole world the blindingly obvious and self evident truth that most sensible people have known forever about biological males in girls and womens sport.
    There are going to be tantrums and tears. Brace yourself :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 513 ✭✭✭ isha


    It's about time a high profile trans person came out and stated, what to most rational people is, the obvious truth

    It is extremely dangerous to allow biologically born males to compete against biologically born females in high contact sports like wrestling, boxing, judo, etc.

    That's not a sexist, transphobic thing to say, it's common bloody sense

    Society seems so intent on what may or may not be offensive that we've lost track of what logically, rationally should/should not be allowed to happen

    Likewise it is hugely dangerous to transfer males to the female estate. California recently moved 261 self ID trans prisoners to the women's prisons. It is also not inreasonable or hateful to call this out as wrong.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Personally I hope she wins. Having a transwomen in such a position, particularly a sane one, would be a fantastic step forward, her being a Republican would also make it hilarious. Any time a progressive criticizes her she could throw out the transphobe insult.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,619 ✭✭✭✭ ILoveYourVibes


    It's about time a high profile trans person came out and stated, what to most rational people is, the obvious truth

    It is extremely dangerous to allow biologically born males to compete against biologically born females in high contact sports like wrestling, boxing, judo, etc.

    That's not a sexist, transphobic thing to say, it's common bloody sense

    Society seems so intent on what may or may not be offensive that we've lost track of what logically, rationally should/should not be allowed to happen

    Part of the issue is ..trans people are attacked a lot. Even in this thread a lot of comments are in bad faith.


  • Registered Users Posts: 38,249 ✭✭✭✭ Guy:Incognito


    klaz wrote: »
    As opposed to someone who doesn't agree with this trans nonsense, and is simply standing by his beliefs. There was a time when we considered such behavior admirable in people.

    I find it interesting the way people have automatically assumed acceptance of trans issues, in spite of all the arguments against the whole movement. Better yet, projecting the belief that anyone who doesn't accept Trans and pronouns must be terribly unreasonable.

    The current spate of anti trans stuff is the same regurgitated anti gay stuff from the 80's . Its not original. Its the same stuff used by the same groups to scare people to thinking black people were a threat to their way of life before that. Preying on the same prejudices to whip people up generation after generation and the people keep lapping it up.

    The red scare/ the blacks/ the gays/ the satanic panic/the trans people. Once they've wrung every bit of fear from it they'll move on to something else and you'll be telling us how you're being oppressed by that group for not bowing to their demands to have everything in society just for them even though it never happened.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,502 ✭✭✭ Abominable Dr. Phibes


    klaz wrote: »
    <Snip>

    It takes no effort to refer to someone by the pronouns they wish to be referred to. Like it takes far more effort to be a knob about it.

    There’s a huge amount of complexity in this topic, but some poster going ‘he’s right!’ is just the sort of post you’d expect lots of likes from the usual suspects - the angry men who think everything is gone soft these days, this wouldn’t happen in Russia, and that their rights as an angry man who spends far too much time being angry on the internet is somehow being impinged upon by ‘liberals’, ‘cancel culture’, and ‘socialists’.

    Ironically enough, well-rounded and masculine men don’t get angry about trans people having rights, or women speaking up etc. They also realise there’s human empathy and complexity involved. Not ‘world gone mad, so angry’. It’s the real dweebish online sorts who get really angry about this stuff.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭ The Inbetween is mine


    Hhhhh wrote: »
    Personally I hope she wins. Having a transwomen in such a position, particularly a sane one, would be a fantastic step forward, her being a Republican would also make it hilarious. Any time a progressive criticizes her she could throw out the transphobe insult.

    Whatever we can accuse Ms Jenner of being ...sane definitely isn't one.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭ dalyboy


    The the contest begin.

    On the left corner ..... the deranged Twitter mob

    On the right corner ..... the moderate conservative majority view


  • Registered Users Posts: 513 ✭✭✭ isha


    The current spate of anti trans stuff is the same regurgitated anti gay stuff from the 80's . Its not original. Its the same stuff used by the same groups to scare people to thinking black people were a threat to their way of life before that. Preying on the same prejudices to whip people up generation after generation and the people keep lapping it up.

    The red scare/ the blacks/ the gays/ the satanic panic/the trans people. Once they've wrung every bit of fear from it they'll move on to something else and you'll be telling us how you're being oppressed by that group for not bowing to their demands to have everything in society just for them even though it never happened.

    No. It is not. There are loads of gay people pushing back against the so called trans activism. This lame attempt to align perfectly reasonable repudiation of completely illogical extreme ideology with gay bashing is shallow and false.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,727 ✭✭✭ Nozebleed


    its obvious people would vote for C.J on the basis of their vicitm status..


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,722 ✭✭✭✭ Leroy42


    PsychoPete wrote: »
    Was there a male transgender mma fighter that broken a female fighters skull?

    Wasn't there a male mma fighter than killed another male? And boxing?

    Should sports only be played between perfectly matched individuals?

    Seems unfair that other sprinters had to race against Bolt when clearly he was faster than them.

    Is it fair that taller basketball players are clearly at an advantage? Should we do something about that?

    Its perfectly reasonable to have safety concerns, but there are weight classes and levels to deal with that already.

    The reality is none of the above are issues, until transgender is involved and then suddenly people are close concerned about fairness.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The current spate of anti trans stuff is the same regurgitated anti gay stuff from the 80's . Its not original. Its the same stuff used by the same groups to scare people to thinking black people were a threat to their way of life before that. Preying on the same prejudices to whip people up generation after generation and the people keep lapping it up.

    The red scare/ the blacks/ the gays/ the satanic panic/the trans people. Once they've wrung every bit of fear from it they'll move on to something else and you'll be telling us how you're being oppressed by that group for not bowing to their demands to have everything in society just for them even though it never happened.

    How is thinking that males competing with females in sports, or having males in prison with women is anything like the anti-gay stuff in the 80's.

    Do you think we should have mixed prisons i.e. Male and female prisoners being housed together in the same buildings and freely mixing?


  • Registered Users Posts: 38,249 ✭✭✭✭ Guy:Incognito


    isha wrote: »
    No. It is not. There are loads of gay people pushing back against the so called trans activism. This lame attempt to align perfectly reasonable repudiation of completely illogical extreme ideology with gay bashing is shallow and false.

    Being trans is a "completely illogical extreme ideology"?

    Define "loads". There were gay people voting against the marriage equality referendum. Doesnt prove anything.


    And "gay bashing " isn't what the discussion is about. Its about campaigns telling parents "the gays" would be coming for their kids and turning them all gay. For it being illegal to be gay and campaigns to scare people in to supporting it to stay illegal. Limiting gays rights etc. Boiling the 80's down to "gay bashing" is disingenuous at best.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,722 ✭✭✭✭ Leroy42


    dalyboy wrote: »
    The the contest begin.

    On the left corner ..... the deranged Twitter mob

    On the right corner ..... the moderate conservative majority view

    Haha, I love how you see one side is deranged but the other moderate and the majority.

    Biased much?


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,864 ✭✭✭✭ Calahonda52


    Shield wrote: »
    .. now that the world's most famous transgender woman has given her opinion. ...

    Who said this about who?


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,619 ✭✭✭✭ ILoveYourVibes


    Pointing out extreme cases or issues in life where trans people present us with a challenge and questions is being used as an excuse to dismiss and abuse or exclude them entirely ..and its certainly being used to talk about them in a childish and less than nuance way.

    I don't hear lets find a solution to this challenge. I hear ...look lets laugh at trans people

    Having said that there are many physiological differences between bio women and trans women that a lot of people ..the heart structure and the way it behaves ...bones ..bone density ...

    I was thinking though we might take a look at the special Olympics and see how they do things. You often get people who are VERY physically different competing against each other. It would be interesting to see how they manage to arrange that safely.

    Ok so there is a problem ...its unfair ....so how do we fix it? While keeping it fair for bio women too?


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,619 ✭✭✭✭ ILoveYourVibes


    dalyboy wrote: »
    The the contest begin.

    On the left corner ..... the deranged Twitter mob

    On the right corner ..... the moderate conservative majority view


    Are you talking directly to this specific issue about sports?

    Or are you using the sports issue to talk directly about trans people in every walk of life?

    I would like that cleared up.

    I dont think its possible to discuss the sports issue if what you really want to talk about is the other issue. If that is the case we should really stop the conversation.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Wasn't there a male transgender mma fighter than killed another male? And boxing?

    Should sports only be played between perfectly matched individuals?

    Seems unfair that other sprinters had to race against Bolt when clearly he was faster than them.

    Is it fair that taller basketball players are clearly at an advantage? Should we do something about that?

    Its perfectly reasonable to have safety concerns, but there are weight classes and levels to deal with that already.

    The reality is none of the above are issues, until transgender is involved and then suddenly people are close concerned about fairness.

    Ye because they are male, and have on average inherent biological advantages over females. Sport is going down the road of attempting to make things as safe as possible, rugby recently having a spate of rule changes as an example
    Allowing men to compete with women takes us drastically back in the other direction.

    You'd have to wonder if someone who things men competing with women, particularly at competitive levels, has any interest in sport at all, or ever played one at any reasonable level!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭ Buddy Bubs


    It takes no effort to refer to someone by the pronouns they wish to be referred to. Like it takes far more effort to be a knob about it.

    There’s a huge amount of complexity in this topic, but some poster going ‘he’s right!’ is just the sort of post you’d expect lots of likes from the usual suspects - the angry men who think everything is gone soft these days, this wouldn’t happen in Russia, and that their rights as an angry man who spends far too much time being angry on the internet is somehow being impinged upon by ‘liberals’, ‘cancel culture’, and ‘socialists’.

    Ironically enough, well-rounded and masculine men don’t get angry about trans people having rights, or women speaking up etc. They also realise there’s human empathy and complexity involved. Not ‘world gone mad, so angry’. It’s the real dweebish online sorts who get really angry about this stuff.

    That's a very sexist post about men there. Not that I care, just calling out the inconsistencies of it all.
    Calling masculinity into question to belittle them to try win an argument is weak.
    To be honest it's the exact same as calling all women who agree with it big butch lesbians to counter their argument.


  • Registered Users Posts: 513 ✭✭✭ isha


    Being trans is a "completely illogical extreme ideology"?

    Absolutely not. Gosh you are a spinner.
    It is perfectly normal for some people to identify as the opposite sex. That is how they feel..
    But - contrary to what TRAs claim -
    Transgender people are not literally the opposite sex.
    Self ID does not entitle anyone to enter opposite sex spaces such as sport, refuges, jail, intimate venues.
    Children should not be "affirmed" with drugs that render them infertile, impotent and irreversibly damaged.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,619 ✭✭✭✭ ILoveYourVibes


    Hhhhh wrote: »
    How is thinking that males competing with females in sports, or having males in prison with women is anything like the anti-gay stuff in the 80's.

    Do you think we should have mixed prisons i.e. Male and female prisoners being housed together in the same buildings and freely mixing?
    Using extreme situations in life and applying it as having to do with the average trans person is very much the 80s.


  • Registered Users Posts: 38,249 ✭✭✭✭ Guy:Incognito


    Hhhhh wrote: »
    's.

    Do you think we should have mixed prisons i.e. Male and female prisoners being housed together in the same buildings and freely mixing?

    I don't know enough about it to decide I'm right and make a blanket statement on the issue. I'll leave that up to the people that do. I don't decide policy and I've never been inside a prison.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,854 ✭✭✭✭ klaz


    The current spate of anti trans stuff is the same regurgitated anti gay stuff from the 80's . Its not original. Its the same stuff used by the same groups to scare people to thinking black people were a threat to their way of life before that. Preying on the same prejudices to whip people up generation after generation and the people keep lapping it up.

    The red scare/ the blacks/ the gays/ the satanic panic/the trans people. Once they've wrung every bit of fear from it they'll move on to something else and you'll be telling us how you're being oppressed by that group for not bowing to their demands to have everything in society just for them even though it never happened.

    Yadda Yadda Yadda. Nothing to do with what I wrote. You can refuse to accept/acknowledge Transpeople as natural, without being anti-Trans, and comparing Trans issues with the problems with homosexuality in society, is a false equivalence. You're simply spouting the opposite side of the propaganda you claim to dislike.
    It takes no effort to refer to someone by the pronouns they wish to be referred to. Like it takes far more effort to be a knob about it.

    Doing so infers acceptance. If someone doesn't accept these Trans issues, then, they probably don't want to proclaim that acceptance.
    There’s a huge amount of complexity in this topic, but some poster going ‘he’s right!’ is just the sort of post you’d expect lots of likes from the usual suspects - the angry men who think everything is gone soft these days, this wouldn’t happen in Russia, and that their rights as an angry man who spends far too much time being angry on the internet is somehow being impinged upon by ‘liberals’, ‘cancel culture’, and ‘socialists’.

    Ironically enough, well-rounded and masculine men don’t get angry about trans people having rights, or women speaking up etc. They also realise there’s human empathy and complexity involved. Not ‘world gone mad, so angry’. It’s the real dweebish online sorts who get really angry about this stuff.

    And... more propaganda driven by the trans debate. Devalue and dismiss those who won't conform. That people are getting "angry" whenever they voice an opinion that counters that of Trans advocates. Make their responses into something emotional, and disregard the concerns people have.

    "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle 



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