Newbie - apologies in advance - where best sell watches

FirstIn

Folks
As above, probably asked many times; I have 2 nice old watches, i'd like to sell. Where do you go to sell watches?

I just want a fair price with a fair deal. What i mean by that is reducing the risk of someone conning me, saying for example one of the watches isn't the real deal when it is etc.

david

You can post them in the for sale thread here or adverts.ie - what watches are they?

I don’t understand how you’d get conned as a seller if someone doesn’t think it’s a legit watch. Nobody wants to buy a fake at any price.

Fitz II

Throw up some photos and the gurus on here will give you a guide on price and where best to sell.

FirstIn

Thanks David, I've heard of bad experiences on some online sales platforms, buyers claiming items never arrived for example, and you don't have a leg to stand on with the dispute going their way. With a watch they could question the authencity of the item and you'd end up losing the dispute , the money and the watch, potentially.

david

I understand. Easiest place to start will be adverts, no commission etc. Do a face to face deal with cash/revolut after the seller has viewed the piece.

You won’t get a very good price but you should get a fair price with a bit of patience provided it’s not very obscure or a specialist piece. In all my watch flipping I’ve yet to fail getting a fair deal on adverts. You will get a special breed of low ballers with the structure of adverts platform - just accept it as part of the game and politely decline.

Failing that eBay and Chrono24 are the next outlets.

As the good Fitz says, pics or it doesn’t exist

FirstIn

Here they are, the Tag i bought, must be 7 years ago. I have the box and receipt. The rolex, that is a very old, 1976 watch. No paperwork, the strap broke and Dawson jewellers had it welded for me, it was deemed a better bet than having to buy a new original one which was very expensive or a cheapo one off eBay.

FirstIn

Fitz II

Nice watches, the Rolex is very nice. If you are selling the Rolex defo get a authenticity cert from ichrono or Dawson, very difficult on a no papers watch of that age to know it's real as the quality of the watch back then seems kinda fake these days

In that condition 7-8k

unkel

The Rolex, rough as it is, is worth a lot of money. Thousands and thousands. Someone on here will give you a rough idea of how much shortly.

Edit - ha, done already.

covey123

Fitz II wrote: »

watch of that age

First thing I noticed and actually something I think is a nice touch is the depth rating in feet as well as meters.
Out of interest, any idea roughly when that stopped being displayed?

covey123

covey123 wrote: »

First thing I noticed and actually something I think is a nice touch is the depth rating in feet as well as meters.
Out of interest, any idea roughly when that stopped being displayed?

My bad!! Just realised the pictures I've seen of the submariner had the second hand covering the ft!

Fitz II

OP just a little advice. Thats a 1618 reference Sub from 1969-1979. There were a a few very collectable ones at the time...the "red sub" "Comex" and some "Mil Subs", your watch is not one of those so dont get too excited. The condition is also pretty rough. With these Subs if you want the best price you need to get Rolex service papers and that will cost around 1500 euro to 3000 euro depending on what they change. Why bother?...well at this age you are going for the 40 -50 year old collector looking for a birth year watch so having some providence is a good idea and knowing the exact year of manufacture. However you dont want the dial or hands changed as collectors like to have the originals. That bezel needs a new one, but keep the old one (remove it before sending it to Rolex and claim its lost same with the bracelet). You need the Rolex service not an independent.

If you had the watch in perfect condition new bracelet and new bezel fully serviced you could see 10-11k out of it. As is 7-8k (more on the high 6's or low 7's to be honest). So basically the cost of service is the difference. Unless you are very patient I would consider selling to the likes of Chris in Ichrono or on adverts. Chrono24 will take an extra 6%.

I would be interested myself if you want a quick sale, but I would not be top dollar.

Wibbs

^^ Very good advice. I'd imagine given the near frenzy for Subs at the moment it would sell as is very quickly?

Cyclingtourist

I prefer the Tag.:rolleyes:

Wibbs

Taken on face value it's a more interesting watch, but the market wants what the market wants I suppose.

Fitz II

Cyclingtourist wrote: »

I prefer the Tag.:rolleyes:

Always good to know there is a market for that stuff.

Cyclingtourist

I do love a taxi-meter.:)

fat bloke

Fitz II wrote: »

Nice watches, the Rolex is very nice.

Fack me. Are we looking at the same picture??? I understand the Rolex is worth a lot of money in the current (bizarre-oh-world) market but "nice" ?? I'm looking at a reasonably presentable Tag next to a raggedya$$ p.o.s. Apart from fact that there's a few quid to be made on it I see absolutely nothing appealing about it. I've scratched my head raw at the Rolex bandwagon but Mother of God, this takes the biscuit. :eek:

893bet

fat bloke wrote: »

Fack me. Are we looking at the same picture??? I understand the Rolex is worth a lot of money in the current (bizarre-oh-world) market but "nice" ?? I'm looking at a reasonably presentable Tag next to a raggedya$$ p.o.s. Apart from fact that there's a few quid to be made on it I see absolutely nothing appealing about it. I've scratched my head raw at the Rolex bandwagon but Mother of God, this takes the biscuit. :eek:

A 1500 euro service and the sub will be a 50 year old like new watch.

The tag will always be a rag.

Cyclingtourist

893bet wrote: »

A 1500 euro service and the sub will be a 50 year old like new watch.

If he's lucky.

893bet

Cyclingtourist wrote: »

If he's lucky.

No point driving a big car and bitching about the price of petrol....!

Fitz II

fat bloke wrote: »

Fack me. Are we looking at the same picture??? I understand the Rolex is worth a lot of money in the current (bizarre-oh-world) market but "nice" ?? I'm looking at a reasonably presentable Tag next to a raggedya$$ p.o.s. Apart from fact that there's a few quid to be made on it I see absolutely nothing appealing about it. I've scratched my head raw at the Rolex bandwagon but Mother of God, this takes the biscuit. :eek:

I own a tag so don't get me wrong here, but the tag is a tag and the Rolex is a Rolex. Standard service on that Rolex is 800 plus a new bezel (200 euro( and a new bracket (1500) watch will then be a brand new Rolex 4 digit 70's transition model very collectable. God damn the thing is nearly 50 years old and still worth saving. New Rolex service papers. Peachy

Some might not see the value in that but there are a lot of people that do. In 50 years time the tag will be landfill cause nobody give a sh1it about it.

Wibbs

fat bloke wrote: »

Fack me. Are we looking at the same picture??? I understand the Rolex is worth a lot of money in the current (bizarre-oh-world) market but "nice" ?? I'm looking at a reasonably presentable Tag next to a raggedya$$ p.o.s.

Actually I like it as is, though I'd get it serviced by an independent, swap out the hands for 70's Omega diver hands, slap it on a admiralty grey nato strap and be done with it. Rock the ratrod look.

Apart from fact that there's a few quid to be made on it I see absolutely nothing appealing about it. I've scratched my head raw at the Rolex bandwagon but Mother of God, this takes the biscuit. :eek:

The underlined part is the thing. The market has decided over the last decade that Rolex is a substitute for cash and the best watch evah, the interwebs has helped make it a meme and a gold rush so it is what it is. They've become a "luxury" item, outside of solid gold or platinum examples intrinsic value is minimal and horologically they're pretty dull. Then again there's a lot more going on with that than there is in a 30,000 quid handbag that's made from a couple of 100 quids worth of materials and in the case of fakes with them, sometimes the fake can be spotted because they're slightly better finished. :eek::D

The handy thing is that it's all down to personal choice. TAG are currently deeply unfashionable, because that is what it is too and will cost significantly less and has more functionality if that appeals. So you get the watch you want for less. And the world turns. 10-20 years back TAG were very fash, as were IWC, both of which have gone off the radar since. In 10 years time, who knows? It could go the way of "ohh Rolex are soooo obvious, tsk" and "[insert brand here] are so much classier *sniff*". You pays your money...

Fitz II

Is Rolex desirable cause there is profit in it...or is there profit in it cause it's desirable. The end result is the same but the reason to have one is different. Haters Gona hate.

Btw Iwc still desirable...big pilots are super cool. Portugiueser...yum yum

C0N0R

What happened the desirability of Tag? Probably if if I wasn’t such a lurker here I wouldn’t be aware of it, but why did they fall from where they were? I guess I grew up wanting a Tag (late 80’s kid)

scwazrh

C0N0R wrote: »

I guess I grew up wanting a Tag (late 80’s kid)

Me too .Watch forums love to hate on Tag and for nearly all the faults pointed out about Tag other brands have similar but get away with it

C0N0R

scwazrh wrote: »

Me too .Watch forums love to hate on Tag and for nearly all the faults pointed out about Tag other brands have similar but get away with it

Bought my Tag when I was 21 and it will stay with me, quartz and all.

Homer

In fairness f*ck the watch snobs. Buy what you like and can afford. And most importantly, don’t look down your nose at people that have worked hard and bought a rag.. sorry Tag

scwazrh

893bet wrote: »

The tag will always be a rag.

Fitz II wrote: »

In 50 years time the tag will be landfill cause nobody give a sh1it about it.

The watch snobbery is strong tonight lads , Hope you don’t mind a mere Tag fan boy like me having an opinion

893bet

scwazrh wrote: »

The watch snobbery is strong tonight lads , Hope you don’t mind a mere Tag fan boy like me having an opinion

Oh stop fishing for likes.

Rag was a typo. I meant the tag will still be a tag ie not a desirable 50 year old watch.

What you are mistaking for watch snobbery is actually just the current market trends. And that tag pictured ain’t it on trend. I had a Monaco till recently enough. Will prob get another.

Wibbs

Fitz II wrote: »

Is Rolex desirable cause there is profit in it...or is there profit in it cause it's desirable. The end result is the same but the reason to have one is different. Haters Gona hate.

Dunno where the hater stuff comes in. They're desirable because Rolex advertising particularly in the US market(a market where they were pretty much unknown until the mid 60's) in the 60's through the 70's was extremely good and that increased their market share and profile. They never had the nouveau used car salesman rep in that market either. Like all the other Swiss they were hammered by the "quartz crisis", but with the resurgence of the Swiss mechanical they came back with the rest. Since around the turn of the century they plotted a steady course to move up a tier from mid, Omega ditto, but not quite as successfully. Jimmy Bond and the most cringeworthy marketing lines ever; "Rolex?"... "No, Omega".

Btw Iwc still desirable...

Not even close to where they were a few years ago though. There was a time when it was hard to avoid a youtuber, industry hack, influencer or article that wasn't mentioning a Big Pilot and they were a staple of the "right" collections. Funny enough the vintage B-Uhr's from various brands also had their values soften, though at the more reasonably priced end of things the various B-Uhr models from Stowa and the like remain popular. The Portugieser save for a brief time was always a niche model. Though I 100% agree with you, they're both very nice watches indeed.

C0N0R wrote: »

What happened the desirability of Tag? Probably if if I wasn’t such a lurker here I wouldn’t be aware of it, but why did they fall from where they were? I guess I grew up wanting a Tag (late 80’s kid)

Same for 90's kids and not so kids. They had very good marketing for a time, made solid well built watches and had very fashionable 90's designs that appealed and they were very popular as a "good watch" well into the 00's. I remember when Boards beers were a thing and just after this forum was set up, I was asked a few times at said events which TAG Whooer I'd recommend.

I reckon two things hit them; their marketing machine ran over a few bumps and their designs were too of the moment, when the market was looking more and more to consistent vintage design elements. Again this is were Rolex had an in. Their design language hasn't changed since the 1970's, they have almost never gone too fashionable and when they do it gets about as radical as the exact same watch with a different coloured dial or bezel. Being fashionable is great when you're in fashion, like TAG, no so great when you're not, like TAG. Though Omega deserve a shout out here, because their range does change and a modern Seamaster doesn't look like one from 1970, unlike the Rolex sports models that pretty much do. Even their icon watch the Speedy can get a bit wild at times. Though Omega play the special edition like mad, something Rolex don't.

scwazrh

893bet wrote: »

Oh stop fishing for likes.

Rag was a typo. I meant the tag will still be a tag ie not a desirable 50 year old watch.

What you are mistaking for watch snobbery is actually just the current market trends. And that tag pictured ain’t it on trend. I had a Monaco till recently enough. Will prob get another.

Fishing for likes , yes of course that’s what I’m at, sure that’s why I’m here..

Anyway, Tag maybe non desirable but a lot of people like them including people who know about watches.Market trends have nothing to do with my comment , calling Tags , rags or claiming no one gives a ****e about them is watch snobbery no matter what way you want to defend it.

C0N0R

So was it a case of Tag tried to keep up with trends rather than stay “classic”, fell under the big wheel and got ran over? Afaik Tag still holds a reasonable rep in the “non watch enthusiast”
category?

893bet

scwazrh wrote: »

Fishing for likes , yes of course that’s what I’m at, sure that’s why I’m here..

Anyway, Tag maybe non desirable but a lot of people like them including people who know about watches.Market trends have nothing to do with my comment , calling Tags , rags or claiming no one gives a ****e about them is watch snobbery no matter what way you want to defend it.

Or you can look at the context of what was presented.

Ie a quartz tag that is worth **** all on the secondary market (ie no demand as a very limited few want it) vs a vintage Rolex that is worth a lot as it is in high demand. The Rolex will win for most. Despite it being in **** condition. It’s like a slightly barttered e90 being put up against a 5 year old fiat punto.

Denying those facts while doing the old “oh stop being a snob, I like like tag as do many people” is a tiresome line.

So if you prefer the tag, you are in the minority. Most will choose the Rolex. That’s all that has been really said. People are desperate to throw the snobbery card around the whole time here. It’s new racism card it’s seems lol.

Me. I think both watches looks like ****e and wouldn’t touch either even if the both looked pristine.

Fitz II

Tag fell from grace by selling low quality watches, with low quality movements, plastic parts and grin design choices for high prices. Bar the Monaco (which is a line they have pillaged with limited editions) they have been in the doldrums for decades.

My intention here is not to discuss tag but I cannot be compared to a vintage rolex. Calling somebody a snob on a watch forum, is like calling them a nazi, racist or sexist. It's a cheap move that avoids making an actual arguement why they are wrong. If being a snob is recognising that a vintage sub is better than a low end tag, then mark me a snob. Reverse snobbery is not just strong tonight it's strong always. Buy what you like is fine...but that doesn't mean what you happen to like and afford is actually any good in
the grand scheme of things when things are discussed I. General non personal terms in a forum.


As I said I own a tag, was married in it, thought it was cool...I was wrong but it's sentimental now.

scwazrh

Fitz II wrote: »

Calling somebody a snob on a watch forum, is like calling them a nazi, racist or sexist.

Don’t even know how to start to respond to that part.Snob must be a lot hasher than I realised ..


I appreciate anyone’s watches regardless of price .A €100 Vostok may mean as much to someone as a €30 k Patek does to you.We all have interests in watches for our own reasons and are at various stages of watch collecting and enjoyment.

I haven’t for one minute tried to claim the Tag in the op is equal to the Rolex nor would I choose the Tag over that Rolex.You wore a Tag on your wedding day and now feel differently about the watch but would you have appreciated someone telling you it was crap when you wore it?

We clearly won’t agree but if anyone looks down their nose at something I have because they feel it’s not as good as what they have ,I think snobby F*ck .

Fitz II

scwazrh wrote: »

Don’t even know how to start to respond to that part.Snob must be a lot hasher than I realised ..


I appreciate anyone’s watches regardless of price .A €100 Vostok may mean as much to someone as a €30 k Patek does to you.We all have interests in watches for our own reasons and are at various stages of watch collecting and enjoyment.

I haven’t for one minute tried to claim the Tag in the op is equal to the Rolex nor would I choose the Tag over that Rolex.You wore a Tag on your wedding day and now feel differently about the watch but would you have appreciated someone telling you it was crap when you wore it?

We clearly won’t agree but if anyone looks down their nose at something I have because they feel it’s not as good as what they have ,I think snobby F*ck .

This post has gotten exactly to the point.

This thread two watches presented, obvious difference in them in terms of desirability. Not only am I not looking down on anything YOU have I am not thinking about you at all. You personalise my comments and call me snobby. Fair enough, but really you are thinking "how dare he point out that what I have is not as good as something he has." Never mentioned my watches on this thread, am sure the OP doesnt care what I have.

Would I have appreciated someone telling me the tag I wore on my wedding day was crap?....absolutely not! I would have appreciated it before I bought the flipping thing. I could have made the memory with something better, something worth keeping and passing down had I known, for the same price. Hell it was Omega money at the time, but all I know was I thought is was fancy and I knew nothing about watches so what's the difference. As I have consistently stated that I feel we as watch collectors often say "we buy what we like", but sometimes we are liking what he have bought.

I dont mind the Tag I have but I am no overly proud of it. Wouldn't go out of my way to defend it when somebody states the facts of its existence, or its place on the watch collecting ladder.

My Patek is not the best Patek in the world. Its entry level complication and not in the more desirable blue colour. My AP is the older model pre inhouse movement, my Daytona has the less desirable dial variant, my Kermit is not a early flat 4 or an older last of the run model, the root beer is a acquired taste. We all make compromises for whatever reasons, our personal taste, finance, knowledge at the time etc. Anyone pointing out facts is not a snob...they are just stating the facts that are apparent with increased experiance, exposure, knowledge.

The quick jump to the "snob" attack is the sort of thing that stops people sharing their nice things on forums. I have had a lot of exposure recently to the watch collecting community in Ireland and there are some serious watches out there. When I ask them do they ever post on boards, their universal answer is "hell no, I would get eaten alive there as a snob"

I am doing my best at the moment to make any criticism of low tier watches from experiance rather than other people opinions I am parroting. I know Tag and I know Rolex, the diminution of my opinion with derogatory monikers like "snoby" is unfair to me. Instead of posting a long reply like this I could narrow it down to a some word or phrase that makes me feel better and other feel lessened, but I am trying to be better than that.

Apologies for the long post.

Wibbs

C0N0R wrote: »

So was it a case of Tag tried to keep up with trends rather than stay “classic”, fell under the big wheel and got ran over? Afaik Tag still holds a reasonable rep in the “non watch enthusiast”
category?

Pretty much C. Men's watches have become less and less directly "fashionable". They're more about a call back to a halcyon age that doesn't really exist any more, and never did outside the nostalgic of mind and marketing departments that appeal to that. One of the reasons - though there are many - why Hublot gets such static from the hobby is that they are directly fashionable and of the now. With a massive marketing machine behind that. They're kinda the TAG of today, with added zeros on the price lists. If the hobby continues I can even see some of their models becoming "collectable" down the years. As a reminder of a time. Actually I'd reckon look at the most 90's of TAGs as a possible collectable down the line. At some stage Hodinkee or whatever replaces them will cool hunt them when they run out of ideas.

Fitz II wrote: »

Calling somebody a snob on a watch forum, is like calling them a nazi, racist or sexist.

Ahh jaysus F, a sexist racist nazi? it really isn't.

As I said I own a tag, was married in it, thought it was cool...I was wrong but it's sentimental now.

It was cool and should remain so for you. The sentimental has a value no marketing man can trump, though they would sell their grannies into servitude if they could, and they try.

I have had a lot of exposure recently to the watch collecting community in Ireland and there are some serious watches out there. When I ask them do they ever post on boards, their universal answer is "hell no, I would get eaten alive there as a snob"

Frankly I call utter bullshít on that Fitz, and not a little projection on your part. I have never, not once seen a "serious watch" as you put it not be thanked on the post in question and by the multitude with it and with follow up posts admiring it. Same for more every day pieces that members wanted and sought out and captured for themselves. Back in the day when we had a couple of beers meetups we had stuff ranging from entry level Seikos and yes even Vostoks, the horror, :rolleyes: through Omegas, Rolex's, JLC;s etc and one off pieces by the McGonigle brothers who came along to the beers themselves. The only way someone would be "eaten alive as a snob" is if they were being obviously snobby.

Fitz II

Wibbs wrote: »

Frankly I call utter bullshít on that Fitz, and not a little projection on your part. I have never, not once seen a "serious watch" as you put it not be thanked on the post

Survivor bias. But look if you feel I am a liar that is your right. Lucky we dont have a thumbs down function on boards. I ahve seen a aquanaut being call a scratch up piece of **** here in the last year, and in the last 20 minutes I have gotten a PM (pretty funny actually) stating the following from a W&T forum regular.

NOPE

Wibbs

I'm not sure you quite understand survivor bias. And again with your projection as far as me marking you out a liar. I wouldn't say that at all. I'm simply pointing out the facts. One's perceptions are one's own. But please point out any post where a serious watch as you term it wasn't thanked and commented upon in the positive. I'll save you the trouble, there aren't any. From Argos Casios to Pateks the overwhelming trend is appreciation for the poster's choices. Like I said the only way someone would be "eaten alive as a snob" is if they were being obviously snobby, and that has been bloody rare too. And when it happened it was far more likely that the "reverse snobs" got roasted.

I ahve seen a aquanaut being call a scratch up piece of **** here in the last year,

Please point out that post. I certainly didn't see it.

and in the last 20 minutes I have gotten a PM stating the following from a W&T forum regular.

Which means precisely what.

BTW it is a MAJOR no no to quote any PM in a public forum on Boards and well you know it, or should at this stage. It wouldn't exactly be a stretch to work out who it came from. I presume you asked that poster's permission to put that up?

I've removed it.

Fitz II

Wibbs wrote: »

I'm not sure you quite understand survivor bias. And again with your projection as far as me marking you out a liar. I wouldn't say that at all. I'm simply pointing out the facts. One's perceptions are one's own. But please point out any post where a serious watch as you term it wasn't thanked and commented upon in the positive. I'll save you the trouble, there aren't any. From Argos Casios to Pateks the overwhelming trend is appreciation for the poster's choices. Like I said the only way someone would be "eaten alive as a snob" is if they were being obviously snobby, and that has been bloody rare too. And when it happened it was far more likely that the "reverse snobs" got roasted.

Please point out that post. I certainly didn't see it. Which means precisely what.

BTW it is a MAJOR no no to quote any PM in a public forum on Boards and well you know it, or should at this stage. It wouldn't exactly be a stretch to work out who it came from. I presume you asked that poster's permission to put that up?

I've removed it.

You banned two users for the patek comment it was 836bets watch, you asked we dont mention them again. It was on the show your watches thread. The PM was anonymised, but apologies if that is insufficient to satisfy privacy of a message sent to me. I give my permission for it to be published, but moderate as you must. It stated that I am "rattling my jewellery" on the forum.

Proves there are people out there sniping, waiting to get ya and feeling malice. Making it uncomfortable. Its not a universal appreciation society.

My point is valid and certainly not "utter bullsh1t". You know I understand survivor bias, when only positive comments are allow, all comments are positive, only positivity survives. Its not the true definition but I though it shorthand for the concept that would not require explanation, and long replies often go unread of only skimmed.

For every ten ten thanks you get there is often somebody noting your an asshole that must be taken down a peg or two when the time is right. You dont see that. but it bubble into threads, usually starts with a comment about snobbery...hence I tend to pucker up for the onslaught. When I talk to other people on other forums they tend to have similar experiences, and wisely unlike me they tend not to share as it save the agro, which is a shame.

Wibbs

Fitz II wrote: »

You banned two users for the patek comment it was 836bets watch, you asked we dont mention them again.

Eh they were banned and I posted that they be stricken from the record. And apparently this means you think the forum is pro reverse snobbery? Seriously? Now if they'd not been nuked from orbit, you'd have some leg to stand on, but they were and you really haven't. I nuked them, they're gone and I completely forgot about them. As it should be. Muppet's gonna mupp.

The PM was anonymised, but apologies if that is insufficient to satisfy privacy of a message sent to me. I give my permission for it to be published, but moderate as you must.

You giving your permission on a two way private message means nada. The clue is in the title; private message. And if you found it out of line there is the report PM box to tick and it would be looked at and likely sanctioned.

It stated that I am "rattling my jewellery" on the forum

One person says that, many many more have not and instead have thanked and reacted positively to and praised your watches, your journey and most recently your youtube channel(and not just your journey). And you react to the one? That's an ego investment that is really not worth it.

Proves there are people out there sniping, waiting to get ya and feeling malice. Making it uncomfortable.

**** get banned. And that makes you uncomfortable? Welcome to the internet. An internet that at least in this small corner of it is a lot more moderated against wankerism than the vast majority of other arenas. If your youtube channel gets popular and I genuinely hope it does FWIW, come back to me on uncomfortable.

You know I understand survivor bias, when only positive comments are allow, all comments are positive, only positivity survives.

God forbid positivity might be seen as a positive. Yet apparently a minority of negatives, two at least that have been banned, is how you perceive things? Again, seriously?

For every ten ten thanks you get there is somebody noting your an asshole that must be taken down a peg or two when the time is right. You dont see that. but it bubble into threads....hence I tend to pucker up for the onslaught

Onslaught? Somebody noting your an asshole that must be taken down a peg or two when the time is right? I really don't know what to say to that, or you, if that's your perception. Because that imho is very much your subjective perception and hardly a healthy one.

Fitz II

Wibbs come on, you know what I mean, you asked for examples these are examples as you had "never, not once seen a serious watch not thanked". The dissection of my posts has me responding to clarify my last post rather than advance the thrust of the conversation. Its a good debating tactic. And again this is not about me or my "ego investment" its what other read into what I say rather than what I actually say.

"We clearly won’t agree but if anyone looks down their nose at something I have because they feel it’s not as good as what they have ,I think snobby F*ck" - really this get though ???

scwazrh

Fitz II wrote: »

"We clearly won’t agree but if anyone looks down their nose at something I have because they feel it’s not as good as what they have ,I think snobby F*ck" - really this get though ???

It’s too late at night to respond to all your points but briefly what is your issue with this comment?If I go to a motors forum and say all cars that are not premium German brand motors are crap , I would be classed as a brand snob , and rightly so.You do similar with watches on a regular basis.Anything under what you feel is an acceptable cost point is deemed as not worthy.Tag are crap , vostok are crap and so on.
Some people have to save to buy a few hundred euro watch and I think putting that down is snobbery.

Fitz II

scwazrh wrote: »

It’s too late at night to respond to all your points but briefly what is your issue with this comment?If I go to a motors forum and say all cars that are not premium German brand motors are crap , I would be classed as a brand snob , and rightly so.You do similar with watches on a regular basis.Anything under what you feel is an acceptable cost point is deemed as not worthy.Tag are crap , vostok are crap and so on.
Some people have to save to buy a few hundred euro watch and I think putting that down is snobbery.

sigh - where did I say these things? I have no doubt you think I did, but I didnt. I said a a quartz tag in 50 years wont be around it will be thrown out.

scwazrh

Fitz II wrote: »

sigh - where did I say these things? I have no doubt you think I did, but I didnt.

Did you buy a Vostok with no pre conceived opinions..

Fitz II

scwazrh wrote: »

Did you buy a Vostok with no pre conceived opinions..

Nope I bought a vostock because I had pre conceived opinions born out of nothing but others peoples opinions (and having a little self depricating fun about it too). I want some of my own. people seem to like them and I could not for the life of me figure out why. If not I felt I was just spouting opinion based on my irrational bias. I am willing to change my mind as the evidence presents itself or uphold my bias if its true. Wore it all day today, and its got some interesting attributes. I will auction it to charity on the giveaway thread when I am done, but I have to give it a fair crack of the whip.

I think thats fair enough, I am unapologetic that I have the means to indulge my hobbies albeit far less than I would dream of doing. As many will attest on here, I am very generous with my watches and anyone wanting to try mine out can contact me and come have a gander so long as they are polite and friendly and well know to me on the forum. My time is precious to me and as much as I post on here I am busy (doing my paperwork and CAD designs as we speak at 2 am on a bank holiday weekend) but I am a fast typer as can be seen from my spelling.

You annoyance with me its born from the same place as my dislike of the vostock; unfamiliarity, bias and ignorance. You are either comfortable with that, or you will do something about it.

Ran into trouble on the motors forum for saying German cars were overrated in a previous life. Dont post there anymore, keep it to private groups where you get to see a lot of really class stuff and talk to people with interests so specific you would not believe it. Have met a lot of top chaps on this forum too and I think its fair to say we have become friendly and can honestly say we take genuine pleasure in each others watches, even if we dont understand their choices sometimes. I have been tangentially involved in a half dozen of so people getting grail watches and lived vicariously thought them.

scwazrh

Fitz II wrote: »

You annoyance with me its born from the same place as my dislike of the vostock, unfamiliarity, bias and ignorance. You are either comfortable with that, or you will do something about it.

I have no annoyance towards you in any way .I seem to have touched a nerve with yourself and 893 by calling out what I see as snobbery .

Some of your comments are just false

.I never said YOU looked down at what I have as your previous post said .

And then this post
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You personalise my comments and call me snobby. Fair enough, but really you are thinking "how dare he point out that what I have is not as good as something he has." “”

Why do you think this is what I’m thinking ? We know nothing about each other . I know nothing about what you can afford no more than you know what I can afford .

Perhaps I see something that is not there or maybe you don’t see what is, but again as I’ve said a number of times if someone looks down their nose at what I have , I deem that snobbery.

Fitz II

scwazrh wrote: »

I never said YOU looked down at what I have as your previous post said .

scwazrh wrote: »

The watch snobbery is strong tonight lads , Hope you don’t mind a mere Tag fan boy like me having an opinion

scwazrh wrote: »

Why do you think this is what I’m thinking ?

scwazrh wrote: »

We clearly won’t agree but if anyone looks down their nose at something I have because they feel it’s not as good as what they have ,I think snobby F*ck .

Night all see you guy in the morning.

893bet

No nerve touched with me, slept like a baby, which wasn’t great as the baby didn’t sleep that well...think the nerve was touched on the “tag fan boi’s”. I lol hard at how sensitive people are about their own “taste” though and if it’s called into question and how quick the snob card is fired out is all. And I am probably am a watch snob in some ways.

People on here are often categorising watches into tiers here, be it based on price, quality, history, perception or what ever and ingeneral that’s ok and logical. There is always a pecking order. It might vary depending on criteria.

I think the only criteria that tag will be on par with that Rolex presented is on time accuracy, being a quartz and all. And when that Tag is 50 years old there won’t be a handful of people in the world collecting it. Hell maybe it will be worth a fortune. As there will be so few at that time.

Wibbs

893bet wrote: »

I lol hard at how sensitive people are about their own “taste” though

In fairness that's across the board and coming from all sides 8. The delicacy of the male ego is a sight to behold and how it shapes perceptions and often twists them. I had an ego myself once. I couldn't afford the upkeep.