fibre to the home

Mikiek14

obi604 wrote: »

On bonkers.ie, and for Eir 150 for 12 months - the setup cost is 50 and equipment is 100

But on eir.ie, looks like this cost is zero.

Anyone know for sure?

I went to checkout and theres no install. I assume bonkers wasn’t updated. You can probably order it through the website to avoid the set up fees.

babelfish1990

obi604 wrote: »

Just reading over this again

So you reckon 150 Mbps should be ok.
I’ve started streaming tv a bit now via another setup, would 150 be good for this too, sounds like it will based on above.

With the 150 on fibre, what real world speeds would upload and download be?

Realistically, Would it be something like 100 down, 50 up?

Realistically, you should get 150 down, 30 up. The most you are likely to need for streaming is 25 down. It's not too good to be true. Don't fall for all the marketing hype regarding maximum speeds that you don't actually need.

obi604

babelfish1990 wrote: »

Realistically, you should get 150 down, 30 up. The most you are likely to need for streaming is 25 down. It's not too good to be true. Don't fall for all the marketing hype regarding maximum speeds that you don't actually need.

Right. Thanks. I get 20 up on my VDSL right now. So thought this may double. But sounds like it won’t.

Mikiek14

obi604 wrote: »

Right. Thanks. I get 20 up on my VDSL right now. So thought this may double. But sounds like it won’t.

Yea the fact that its not symmetrical like fiber in America is disappointing but expected. The only way to increase the upload would be going for a bigger plan. (500 50, 1000,100)

babelfish1990

obi604 wrote: »

Right. Thanks. I get 20 up on my VDSL right now. So thought this may double. But sounds like it won’t.

If you opt for the 500Mbps downstream option, you will get 50Mbps up
If you opt for the 1Gbps downstream option, you will get 100Mbps up

The higher upload speeds will shorten the time needed to upload files to the cloud, but most users just use the cloud for backing up - and uploads don't have to happen immediately in real-time. 30Mbps will allow you to stream UHD TV upstream, should you have a requirement for this.

There is an obsession with headline speeds for uploads and downloads, while most users fail to check if their ISP suffers from congestion at peak times, or has peering issues, latency, or lacks decent local caching. While it is not easy to get accurate answers to some of these specs, it is pointless focusing on headline speeds without considering the other attributes.

FileNotFound

obi604 wrote: »

Just reading over this again

So you reckon 150 Mbps should be ok.
I’ve started streaming tv a bit now via another setup, would 150 be good for this too, sounds like it will based on above.

With the 150 on fibre, what real world speeds would upload and download be?

Realistically, Would it be something like 100 down, 50 up?

I stream everything, streaming TV services, show and movie streaming apps, have plex severs running, have almost 20 devices going in a house when all are going and they run smooth as a button with a 100mb line (realistically 80down/20up).

At 150 you will have more than enough to do anything you need. Also 20up is all you will get which is plenty.

Your overthinking this a good bit.

obi604

I bloody overthink everything. Trust me I wish I didn’t

Noted. For the last few years I have used TP link Ethernet over power plugs and it has been a lifesaver for me for the office room upstairs. They are Old now but still work fine:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00DHB2T44/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_SFGGTGBJPC5J9ZMCPXJN?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

Will the routers from Eir or Pure have any adverse affect on this? Or any settings on them that would stop this working.

babelfish1990

obi604 wrote: »

I bloody overthink everything. Trust me I wish I didn’t

Noted. For the last few years I have used TP link Ethernet over power plugs and it has been a lifesaver for me for the office room upstairs. They are Old now but still work fine:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00DHB2T44/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_SFGGTGBJPC5J9ZMCPXJN?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

Will the routers from Eir or Pure have any adverse affect on this? Or any settings on them that would stop this working.

I am not a big fan of home plugs. They can be very temperamental in many houses, and if you use them for WiFi coverage, they won't give seamless handoff between zones. Mobile devices will tend to cling onto the weaker WiFi signal if you have multiple zones. Having said that, if you were just using home plugs to connect an office PC/Printer and they were working up until now, they should continue to work with your new router. My first preference would be to wire additional access points over Cat6, but this isn't practical for many users. My next choice would be a Mesh WiFi system, (such as TP-Link Deco, Eir Smart WiFI Hub etc). These will create seamless WiFi coverage throughout the home, and you can add as many as you require. If you are going with Eir, you should get their F3000 router, which supports their own Mesh system natively. This means you will need 1 less access point than if you go with another mesh system.

obi604

babelfish1990 wrote: »

I am not a big fan of home plugs. They can be very temperamental in many houses, and if you use them for WiFi coverage, they won't give seamless handoff between zones. Mobile devices will tend to cling onto the weaker WiFi signal if you have multiple zones. Having said that, if you were just using home plugs to connect an office PC/Printer and they were working up until now, they should continue to work with your new router. My first preference would be to wire additional access points over Cat6, but this isn't practical for many users. My next choice would be a Mesh WiFi system, (such as TP-Link Deco, Eir Smart WiFI Hub etc). These will create seamless WiFi coverage throughout the home, and you can add as many as you require. If you are going with Eir, you should get their F3000 router, which supports their own Mesh system natively. This means you will need 1 less access point than if you go with another mesh system.

Hi. For my office setup. I purely use TP link on wired.

Ethernet Cable from router to TP link plug 1. Then Ethernet cable from TP link plug 2 to my laptop. Have been on this setup for 5 years and generally good. Let’s me do what I have to do.

I don’t get you with the ‘native’ Eir mesh system. If the house was really big, would you not need more Eir boxes

babelfish1990

obi604 wrote: »

I don’t get you with the ‘native’ Eir mesh system. If the house was really big, would you not need more Eir boxes

Yes, if house is really big, you may need additional Eir boxes. However, you will still need 1 less box than if you go with a 3rd-party mesh system. For example, if you go with TP-Link Deco, and you need 2 access points to cover your house, you will need to co-locate the first access point with your ISP router. However, if your ISP router is the Eir F3000, you can use this as your first access point, and use the Eir Smart WiFi hub as your second access point. The F3000 and the Eir Smart WiFi hub will work in tandem, and create seamless WiFi coverage throughout your home under one SSID.

Titzon Toast

LillySV wrote: »

my contracts up with vodafone....siro brodband...was liveable at best most of the time but the last few days i cant even stream vids properly from the live video sites....was onto vodafone which seems to be based in India now and got different prices and advice on how to deal with probs...he told me to reset modem and he would ensure channels are opened and all be ok...seemed abit better at first then 10 mins later the vids werent streaming again! is this throttling? im getting 70 mbits a sec normaly on wifi but acts more like 7mb/sec! dont know what to do....not enticed to re sign for 1tb broadband and then get nowhere near it. plugged laptop directly into modem a min ago and got 250 mb or so....and vid wouldnt stream properly still!!

Same here, Vodafone are terrible, their router is useless. I'm jumping ship the second my contract is up with them.

obi604

babelfish1990 wrote: »

Yes, if house is really big, you may need additional Eir boxes. However, you will still need 1 less box than if you go with a 3rd-party mesh system. For example, if you go with TP-Link Deco, and you need 2 access points to cover your house, you will need to co-locate the first access point with your ISP router. However, if your ISP router is the Eir F3000, you can use this as your first access point, and use the Eir Smart WiFi hub as your second access point. The F3000 and the Eir Smart WiFi hub will work in tandem, and create seamless WiFi coverage throughout your home under one SSID.

So I suppose I could get the Eir smart WIFi hub solution (which I guess is mesh)

What is the cost of this?

The TP link deco would be better at future proofing though, if you changed providers etc. I presume if you leave Eir, their smart WiFi hub would have to be returned etc.

babelfish1990

obi604 wrote: »

So I suppose I could get the Eir smart WIFi hub solution (which I guess is mesh)

What is the cost of this?

The TP link deco would be better at future proofing though, if you changed providers etc. I presume if you leave Eir, their smart WiFi hub would have to be returned etc.

Yes - the Eir Smart WiFi hub is Mesh. It is €99.99. It actually supports WiFi 6 - which is the latest standard - so it is pretty future-proof. Most of the TP-Link Deco models don't support WiFi 6. You would need to select a model from the Deco X series to get WiFi 6 features. The cheapest pair of these seems to be about €250 - so at €99.99 Eir is pretty competitive. However, if you move ISP, and if you migrate to a different router you might need to get an additional Eir Smart WiFi hub at that stage. Some of Eir's resellers, such as Pure may actually encourage you to keep your Eir F3000 router if you move to them, as it saves them the cost of an extra router. Not sure if they manage them properly afterwards (security upgrades etc), when they haven't provided them?

I have no idea whether Eir would look for the Smart WiFi hubs back if you port away from them. I suspect not, though - as they are not an integral part of the WiFi Connection like the ONT or gateway router. You would need to check with Eir.

obi604

babelfish1990 wrote: »

Yes - the Eir Smart WiFi hub is Mesh. It is €99.99. It actually supports WiFi 6 - which is the latest standard - so it is pretty future-proof. Most of the TP-Link Deco models don't support WiFi 6. You would need to select a model from the Deco X series to get WiFi 6 features. The cheapest pair of these seems to be about €250 - so at €99.99 Eir is pretty competitive. However, if you move ISP, and if you migrate to a different router you might need to get an additional Eir Smart WiFi hub at that stage. Some of Eir's resellers, such as Pure may actually encourage you to keep your Eir F3000 router if you move to them, as it saves them the cost of an extra router. Not sure if they manage them properly afterwards (security upgrades etc), when they haven't provided them?

I have no idea whether Eir would look for the Smart WiFi hubs back if you port away from them. I suspect not, though - as they are not an integral part of the WiFi Connection like the ONT or gateway router. You would need to check with Eir.

My thinking is I pay 99 Euro to Eir for this WiFi hub setup. Then if I move to another provider, I probably have to buy another eir product (I think) so another 99 Euro.

So 200 quid possibly

babelfish1990

obi604 wrote: »

My thinking is I pay 99 Euro to Eir for this WiFi hub setup. Then if I move to another provider, I probably have to buy another eir product (I think) so another 99 Euro.

So 200 quid possibly

Yes - that's probably the worst case.

obi604

Spoke to an absolutely useless sales rep in Eir. Didn’t know about smart hub. Spent 5 minutes on hold for her to find the name of router supplied and she said “ Swan f5366s”. I presume this is the F3000?

She also mentioned install costs of 130 Euro for the 150 and 500 options. Zero for 1000 option.

But all of these options on the eir website seem to be zero install cost.

alec76

obi604 wrote: »

My thinking is I pay 99 Euro to Eir for this WiFi hub setup. Then if I move to another provider, I probably have to buy another eir product (I think) so another 99 Euro.

So 200 quid possibly

Unless you’ll buy 2 units for €169 at the first place.

Mikiek14

obi604 wrote: »

Spoke to an absolutely useless sales rep in Eir. Didn’t know about smart hub. Spent 5 minutes on hold for her to find the name of router supplied and she said “ Swan f5366s”. I presume this is the F3000?

She also mentioned install costs of 130 Euro for the 150 and 500 options. Zero for 1000 option.

But all of these options on the eir website seem to be zero install cost.

Sure I assume the cost would have to be free id it states that on the website. My guess would be that the install cost is free only online. Perhaps it was changed very recently so thats why the sales reps haven’t a clue.


If i were you i would order straight online. Its only makes sense. If the checkout states that it free then you should only have to pay what you agreed on.

In terms of the eir smart hub theres no way they’ll ask for it back since you bought it separately.

obi604

Mikiek14 wrote: »

Sure I assume the cost would have to be free id it states that on the website. My guess would be that the install cost is free only online. Perhaps it was changed very recently so thats why the sales reps haven’t a clue.


If i were you i would order straight online. Its only makes sense. If the checkout states that it free then you should only have to pay what you agreed on.

In terms of the eir smart hub theres no way they’ll ask for it back since you bought it separately.

Can the eir smart hub be used as a mesh system with other providers?

alec76

obi604 wrote: »

Can the eir smart hub be used as a mesh system with other providers?

Surely, if you buy kit of 2 , you’ll be able to use them with ANY 3rd part router as a mesh system ( obviously you’ll have to disable WIFI on 3rd party router )

LillySV

Titzon Toast wrote: »

Same here, Vodafone are terrible, their router is useless. I'm jumping ship the second my contract is up with them.

Im supposed to be changing over to digiweb from midnight tomoro, got their fritzbox 7530 in the post already and plugged it in...just got a ping of 7, download of 332.65 and upload of 205.62 mbps! The most i have been getting on the vodafone router all this time was around 80mbps!!!:D

If you are stuck for a good while with vodafone, it mightnt be any harm to try change the router yourself

Update: just tried speedtest again and 560mbps download!

obi604

The more I think about this, the more I think I can add more to the bundle.

go with eir for 500 broadband on 24 month contract
with 2 x tv's = 60 for 12 months
then 70 for 12-24 months
then 105 after this (contract finished, time to renew)

Then started thinking about herselves mobile, its currently 35 euro a month bill pay with vodafone

again go with eir for 500 broadband on 24 month contract
with 2 x tv's and SIM only
70 for 12 months
then 90 for 12-24
then 125 after this (contract finished, time to renew)

Mikiek14

obi604 wrote: »

The more I think about this, the more I think I can add more to the bundle.

go with eir for 500 broadband on 24 month contract
with 2 x tv's = 60 for 12 months
then 70 for 12-24 months
then 105 after this (contract finished, time to renew)

Then started thinking about herselves mobile, its currently 35 euro a month bill pay with vodafone

again go with eir for 500 broadband on 24 month contract
with 2 x tv's and SIM only
70 for 12 months
then 90 for 12-24
then 125 after this (contract finished, time to renew)

eir seems like the best choice for you. You wont run into the same issues what you run into with sky and vodafone and you even have a deal for yourself with the mobile.

Keep in mind that you cant record all the channels with eir tv, so it can be a downgrade compared to sky.

obi604

Mikiek14 wrote: »

eir seems like the best choice for you. You wont run into the same issues what you run into with sky and vodafone and you even have a deal for yourself with the mobile.

Keep in mind that you cant record all the channels with eir tv, so it can be a downgrade compared to sky.

Yea. Will miss record. But I’m getting multi room and hd for a tener cheaper than I am with sky. (And that is sky with No hd and no multi room)

babelfish1990

obi604 wrote: »

The more I think about this, the more I think I can add more to the bundle.

go with eir for 500 broadband on 24 month contract
with 2 x tv's = 60 for 12 months
then 70 for 12-24 months
then 105 after this (contract finished, time to renew)

Then started thinking about herselves mobile, its currently 35 euro a month bill pay with vodafone

again go with eir for 500 broadband on 24 month contract
with 2 x tv's and SIM only
70 for 12 months
then 90 for 12-24
then 125 after this (contract finished, time to renew)

The Eir bundles win out significantly when you include Mobile & TV. Most people seem to forget that everyone has mobiles, and it makes sense to bundle. Just make sure to unlock any handsets before porting over.

obi604

will be soon ordering this, , do ye reckon the 15o Mb should be enough? or shroud I go for 500 mb

full time home worker

in the real world, would I notice the 500 v 150 ?

FileNotFound

obi604 wrote: »

will be soon ordering this, , do ye reckon the 15o Mb should be enough? or shroud I go for 500 mb

full time home worker

150mb more than enough - now off and order it haha.

Mikiek14

FileNotFound wrote: »

150mb more than enough - now off and order it haha.

Yea 150MB is loads. sure if you feel like its not enough just upgrade within the 14 days. there will be no issues.

obi604

Mikiek14 wrote: »

Yea 150MB is loads. sure if you feel like its not enough just upgrade within the 14 days. there will be no issues.

Noted. Anyone know if the 24 month contract for the 500 Mb broadband also applies to any add ons. e.g. If I was to add tv to the 24 month, is the 24 month only for the broadband only or does it apply to TV also.

FileNotFound

obi604 wrote: »

Noted. Anyone know if the 24 month contract for the 500 Mb broadband also applies to any add ons. e.g. If I was to add tv to the 24 month, is the 24 month only for the broadband only or does it apply to TV also.

Don't waste your money on 500mb - if you don't know what speed you need you don't need 500mb.