Bills . HELP

Lauren3142

Hi

Currently sharing with 4 others I need help with a problem one of the girls is refusing to pay internet , bins and electricity.

I moved in a few months ago and the issue has been going on before then , but has got much worse since she has no bill in her name either and now and is refusing to pay as she seems to think people owe her money ( lies) . The housemates already reached out to the landlord to which they got no reply , it’s been a few months now and she’s not making any attempt to pay and won’t communicate with anyone in the house blocking our numbers and leaving all group chats. It’a very frustrating. She’s also claimed she was be in bullied when they previously tried to speak about bills. At this point I can safely say she is not going to attempt to pay her debts or even start to pay them , the cost will be huge in another couple of months. That the deposit won’t even cover it !!

This must be anti social behavior? I’m thinking of emailing the landlord again as I think he has a responsibility here , or can he just leave it ?


Guys any help here is greatly appreciated .

Whoever’s name is on the utility account, that’s the person with the problem, not the landlord.

Don’t think it’s the landlords problem as bills are the responsibility of the tenants.

Someone else may know better but could she be taken to the small claims court? I think it’s a small enough amount to issue proceedings.

JimmyCorkhill

Can you put a password on the internet & not share it with her?

Can any of her food go missing from the fridge & end up in the said bin she won't pay for?

Bus Wanker

Also change the wi fi password and don't tell her what it is. That might soften her cough.
Not much you can do about bins or electricity

Smee_Again

Change the WiFi password for starters.

punisher5112

Internet as said above remove access for them, put router in a locked room. Password protect.

For food and that put in each others room so they have no access.

The 3 of you need to actually step up and confront the person together, tell them it isn't on and bills need to be paid.
Who put the person into the property? Are they on the lease?


If it were me I'd be making living there extremely difficult and demanding the funds to have it split fair.

Smee_Again

Put a lock on the fridge and freezer too. If possible.

And the oven etc. You can get magnetic ones that need a key to use. Share the keys with the bill paying tenants.

Wanderer78

You could be dealing with someone with mental health issues, what's her general behaviour like?

messrs

As others have said above firstly change password on Wifi and only share with those paying. Maybe rather than everyone trying to talk to her together could just one person do it - that way she cant claim you are all ganging up on her.

Only becomes a landlords problem when she isnt paying rent - dont think he would want to get involved in the bills part

MacDanger

If you've only been there a few month, maybe consider moving out. Unless it's a really nice house, it doesn't sound like it's worth the hassle

spaceHopper

Your landlord is not a social worker, it's not their problem. You guys have to sort this out yourselves.

Be blunt tell her you need to talk to her, she needs to pay up or move out she has the weekend to let you know which and if she's moving you want her gone as soon a possible but not less than one month say the last day of May. If she's paying she has till the end of May to pay up.

Look into changing the locks. If she won't pay up inform the LL you are kicking her out unless they have a better suggestion. Give her a warning that the locks will be changed on June first and her stuff will be outside the front door.

Lauren3142

Wanderer78 wrote: »

You could be dealing with someone with mental health issues, what's her general behaviour like?

It’s worrying to say the least , we can’t say even talk to her at this point. She refuses to engage ! I’ve lived in shared housing before and haven’t encountered anything like it. I don’t know how to explain to an adult they have to pay bills and not resort to axing like a child in the process. I definitely think there are some mental health issues, sometimes she talks and laughs to herself at the start I assumed she was on the phone until she told me that she sometimes talks to herself and laughs. We all smile to ourselves and have giggles but this was something beyond that like , she seems manipulative and dangerous in that way. She seems to have issues everywhere she goes and it’s everyone else’s fault , I never trust these people , just delusional to keep it sweet lol 😂

Lauren3142

MacDanger wrote: »

If you've only been there a few month, maybe consider moving out. Unless it's a really nice house, it doesn't sound like it's worth the hassle

Your probably dead right there , it’s the next step if I’m honest !

Find somewhere else to live would be my advice. You wouldn't know how someone paranoid and unstable like that would react to any escalation

Lauren3142

spaceHopper wrote: »

Your landlord is not a social worker, it's not their problem. You guys have to sort this out yourselves.

Be blunt tell her you need to talk to her, she needs to pay up or move out she has the weekend to let you know which and if she's moving you want her gone as soon a possible but not less than one month say the last day of May. If she's paying she has till the end of May to pay up.

Look into changing the locks. If she won't pay up inform the LL you are kicking her out unless they have a better suggestion. Give her a warning that the locks will be changed on June first and her stuff will be outside the front door.

She won’t engage with us , and we have talked before and nothing changed and she’s just been ignoring us since, but definitely will try again.

That sounds like the perfect solution re the changing locks and informing the landlord and moving someone on who will pay bills. I’ve honestly never met someone who hasn’t understood this yet. Thanks for all your advice !

Lauren3142

JimmyCorkhill wrote: »

Can you put a password on the internet & not share it with her?

Can any of her food go missing from the fridge & end up in the said bin she won't pay for?

Yes we share a fridge , but she sees it as bullying . I should mention she pulls the race card a lot as she’s from a different country originally so we have to be careful that she can’t claim we are being racist but I have done it and undone it , that felt good maybe better lol 😂

Sheep Shagger

Is she on any lease? If not she has no rights. Throw her out and if that means putting her stuff in a bin bag then so be it.

Change the locks with agreement with your landlord. It will be worth you paying the 100 euro odd.

Lauren3142

Bus Wanker wrote: »

Also change the wi fi password and don't tell her what it is. That might soften her cough.
Not much you can do about bins or electricity

It’s been changed and she’s saying she don’t use it but she has lived here for longer than me and we always had internet and she paid it and used it and just decided without agreement from everyone to stop

She also thinks one of the guys hacked her she said something about this when I tried to talk to her one to one about the problems, that’s when I stopped trying to reason with her .

Lauren3142

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

Is she on any lease? If not she has no rights. Throw her out and if that means putting her stuff in a bin bag then so be it.

Change the locks with agreement with your landlord. It will be worth you paying the 100 euro odd.

None of us have a contract if that’s what you mean , I know she tried to report him to rtb before and this was when she gave notice to leave and changed her mind last moment. I don’t know what it caused for him . But still we didn’t get a contract or any lease

Am I right in thinking we can **** her out and she has no rights as a tenant? I have 0% sympathy at this stage

Lauren3142

messrs wrote: »

As others have said above firstly change password on Wifi and only share with those paying. Maybe rather than everyone trying to talk to her together could just one person do it - that way she cant claim you are all ganging up on her.

Only becomes a landlords problem when she isnt paying rent - dont think he would want to get involved in the bills part

She’s paying him , it’s the only thing she is paying ! That’s what has us fecked

Lauren3142

Lauren3142 wrote: »

None of us have a contract if that’s what you mean , I know she tried to report him to rtb before and this was when she gave notice to leave and changed her mind last moment. I don’t know what it caused for him . But still we didn’t get a contract or any lease

Am I right in thinking we can **** her out and she has no rights as a tenant? I have 0% sympathy at this stage

Unless she is a licensee paying rent to the lead tenant, she has the same tenancy rights as any tenant, including yourself and the others sharing the property. So if she pays her rent on time, not a lot you can do to remove her.

Mrs OBumble

Lauren3142 wrote: »

I definitely think there are some mental health issues, sometimes she talks and laughs to herself at the start I assumed she was on the phone until she told me that she sometimes talks to herself and laughs. We all smile to ourselves and have giggles but this was something beyond that like , she seems manipulative and dangerous in that way.

Move out as soon as you can. Start looking this weekend, ie NOW.

padd b1975

Wanderer78 wrote: »

You could be dealing with someone with mental health issues, what's her general behaviour like?

Mooching is not a mental illness.

Lauren3142

padd b1975 wrote: »

Mooching is not a mental illness.

Human parasite

Del2005

Smee_Again wrote: »

Put a lock on the fridge and freezer too. If possible.

And the oven etc. You can get magnetic ones that need a key to use. Share the keys with the bill paying tenants.

Don't think the landlord would be too happy having their property damaged by putting locks on it.

jr1942

Dav010 wrote: »

You think the others should subsidise the other tenant?

no I don't... just pointing out how contradictory the OP is and that I wouldn't take a word they are saying into consideration, in fact to me they look like they are the one who needs a prescription

another one in relation to topic from OP from another topic, but I guess this doesn't apply if you have a mentally ill flatmate (?) who has a "debt" of around 100 euros which somehow should be Leo Varadkars or their landlords problem (but they are not childish) and should be if you ask the op crucified for it, instead of perhaps offered a helping hand?

Lauren3142 wrote: »

humanity is just gone.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

CollyFlower

No one should have to pay for internet in a house share, your mobile phone data should be sufficient.... Get rid of fixed broadband.

Beatty69

CollyFlower wrote: »

No one should have to pay for internet in a house share, your mobile phone data should be sufficient.... Get rid of fixed broadband.

I agree on this point. If she's not using the internet why should she pay?

OP has already said the password is changed so problem solved for that anyway.

Lauren3142

jr1942 wrote: »

The language you are using is even more shocking.

Plus how much can electricity and internet bill be divided by 4 people, 50 euros?
Times what, 3 months late is 150 euros.
At this stage id pay you 150 euros just to leave the forum so I never stumble on crap like this again.



So now you are saying she has mental issues, then you are saying she doesn't have them but is a parasite instead?

Calling her a child while at the same time you are messaging landlord about someone not paying their share of the internet bill that has nothing to do with the landlord, what's that but childish?
What's next, you are going to message Leo Varadkar the ham you bought in Aldi didn't taste well?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

edit: ah wait, another pearl here


so you are actually pointing fingers at someone for being homophobic while at the same time you are doing the same, plus your flatmate is quote: "a mentally ill human parasite"...

Have no idea what you were up to last night but your post is just irrelevant, look at the post date from the other thread you went and found about my sexuality. That took some work I must admit , some bee in your bonnet about something .

Danonino.

Email the landlord again. If he/she is any good she will contact the housemate and either
A: let her know that to stay she has to pay utilities like a normal person.
B: Tell her to pack up and leave.

If he/she doesn’t care or steps away from the issue, then yeah, honestly, I wouldn’t bother with locks and arguments. Unless you think collectively ye can get her to pay or move out without massive hassle, start looking for somewhere else yourself.

The above posters are right in that it isn’t the landlords responsibility for utility bills. I don’t agree with it because it causes massive problems like the op but that’s the way it is. A house will have bills, the fact many landlords see having walls and a roof that can turn a profit as somehow completely separate to it actually being a home drives me mental, but ay, I’m not a landlord so what would I know.
I have been lucky with my last two landlords (both heroes) and we came to agreements about bill names etc. I had massive issues before with housemates taking the absolute **** when it came to bills. So the bills are in ‘his name’ and payed through the rent. They are not, it just is the easiest way to let housemates know that if they don’t pay their bills on time they are out and the search for someone who can is on. When they think the bills are tied to rent and isn’t in a housemates name they just.... pay on time. It’s magical.

wandererz

OP, what excatly is her dispute with reagrds to paying the bills.

I do agree with others that if she is not using WiFi/Broadband then she is not liable. Albeit, she should have provided ample warning of withdrawing from the agreement.

What exactly is her issue with not paying the electricity bills?

Also, does she use:

1) Lights
2) stoves, Microwaves, fridges, electric shower, irons, computer, laptops etc.
3) Heating

Lauren3142

We don’t know what her issue is exactly she refuses to communicate, she was paying WiFi but just stopped. It’s simple to change the password and just divide it between the people who use it but we need to be able to talk about it and know what the story is

Yes she uses all amenities that use electric and she uses the bins too (another bill she hasn’t paid) we have been giving her benefit of the doubt but it’s too long now

Lauren3142

Danonino. wrote: »

Email the landlord again. If he/she is any good she will contact the housemate and either
A: let her know that to stay she has to pay utilities like a normal person.
B: Tell her to pack up and leave.

If he/she doesn’t care or steps away from the issue, then yeah, honestly, I wouldn’t bother with locks and arguments. Unless you think collectively ye can get her to pay or move out without massive hassle, start looking for somewhere else yourself.

The above posters are right in that it isn’t the landlords responsibility for utility bills. I don’t agree with it because it causes massive problems like the op but that’s the way it is. A house will have bills, the fact many landlords see having walls and a roof that can turn a profit as somehow completely separate to it actually being a home drives me mental, but ay, I’m not a landlord so what would I know.
I have been lucky with my last two landlords (both heroes) and we came to agreements about bill names etc. I had massive issues before with housemates taking the absolute **** when it came to bills. So the bills are in ‘his name’ and payed through the rent. They are not, it just is the easiest way to let housemates know that if they don’t pay their bills on time they are out and the search for someone who can is on. When they think the bills are tied to rent and isn’t in a housemates name they just.... pay on time. It’s magical.

Thanks for the advice , I’m definitely going to ask him again even if he can mediate with her as he is the only one who she will communicate with, I was also looking through the rules of the house and paying bills is one so he might just even try help us with the issue .I just want an easy life ,I’ve been looking on daft already some battles just ain’t worth it !
I don’t want to resort to petty behavior either , but there seems to be no solutions . Seems you can live in a house pay your rent and not pay bills , it’s annoying !!

Lauren3142

Del2005 wrote: »

Don't think the landlord would be too happy having their property damaged by putting locks on it.

I won’t get there hopefully

Darc19

Wanderer78 wrote: »

You could be dealing with someone with mental health issues, what's her general behaviour like?

Let's stop this mental health crap as an excuse for blatant bad behaviour.

Mental health is a serious issue and the use of the phrase for every minor problem does no favours to anyone.

This is simply a spoilt little b1tch who doesn't want to pay her fair share to the detriment of others.

Simply have her removed.

If she is renting from the landlord, it is the landlords issue.

If she is sub letting from someone else in the house, it is their issue.

If landlord won't do anything, the rtb might be an option.


If you want to call her, dial #31# before her number and it will bypass the block

jr1942

jr1942 wrote: »

no I don't... just pointing out how contradictory the OP is and that I wouldn't take a word they are saying into consideration, in fact to me they look like they are the one who needs a prescription

another one in relation to topic from OP from another topic, but I guess this doesn't apply if you have a mentally ill flatmate (?) who has a "debt" of around 100 euros which somehow should be Leo Varadkars or their landlords problem (but they are not childish) and should be if you ask the op crucified for it, instead of perhaps offered a helping hand?


:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Too much wine?

I don’t think there is a poster on boards who would agree to subsidise a flatmate who refuses to pay their fair share of utilities, not if it’s €100 or €10. So far there has been no indication that she can’t pay, only that she is refusing to pay and will not discuss the issue. I can’t make head nor tail of the crucifixion reference.

Danonino. wrote: »

A: let her know that to stay she has to pay utilities like a normal person.
B: Tell her to pack up and leave.
.

Danimino, if she is a tenant and rent is being paid, I’m not sure what a LL can do to evict her, without exposing himself to an unfair eviction claim. It seems the tenant has already contacted the RTB so knows her rights. The LL will have nothing to do with this, it’s the tenants problem.

jimmycrackcorm

For people who suggest changing the wifi password, be aware that simply pressing the reset button on the router will get around that.

There's very little that can be done in this scenario bar one. Change the lock on the bathroom door, keep it locked, and only give keys to the other tenants. If the landlord isn't going to do anything then they're also not going to be bothered by that.

jimmycrackcorm

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

For people who suggest changing the wifi password, be aware that simply pressing the reset button on the router will get around that.

There's very little that can be done in this scenario bar one. Change the lock on the bathroom door, keep it locked, and only give keys to the other tenants. If the landlord isn't going to do anything then they're also not going to be bothered by that.

Jeez, you can’t lock the bathroom on a tenant paying their rent, a LL can’t even change the locks on a tenant not paying rent. The mind boggles.

Graces7

Just a thought.

Does she HAVE the money? Or just enough to pay the rent?

I think you said she is from overseas? If she is desperately short of cash it would explain ( but NOT excuse) so much.

10pennymixup

Dav010 wrote: »

Jeez, you can’t lock the bathroom on a tenant paying their rent, a LL can’t even change the locks on a tenant not paying rent. The mind boggles.

correction: a Landlord can't change the bathroom lock on a tenant paying or not paying rent. Not sure what's to stop a co tenant stopping a free loader washing their arse with hot water paid for by their co tenants.

I'd be frequently turning off electricity at the box, water at the meter etc and screw the free loader.

If she asks tell her the bills weren't paid.

10pennymixup

10pennymixup wrote: »

correction: a Landlord can't change the bathroom lock on a tenant paying or not paying rent. Not sure what's to stop a co tenant stopping a free loader washing their arse with hot water paid for by their co tenants.

I'd be frequently turning off electricity at the box, water at the meter etc and screw the free loader.

If she asks tell her the bills weren't paid.

10pennymixup, if a tenant pays rent, they have a right to use the bathroom, though the tenant may be refusing to pay utilities, she is not refusing to pay rent. The only person responsible for payment of utilities is the person whose name is on the utility contract. Of course housemates tend to agree to split this bill, but that has nothing to do with the girl’s rights as a tenant, including use of the facilities in the property she is paying for. What kind of person locks the toilet and turns off the electricity/water? I’d be more worried about this person than the freeloader. Would you prefer her to relieve herself on the floor, in the dark, with no water to clean it?

10pennymixup

Dav010 wrote: »

10pennymixup, if a tenant pays rent, they have a right to use the bathroom, though the tenant may be refusing to pay utilities, she is not refusing to pay rent. The only person responsible liable (corrected that for you too) for payment of utilities is the person whose name is on the utility contract. Of course housemates tend to agree to split this bill, but that has nothing to do with the girl’s rights as a tenant, including use of the facilities in the property she is paying for. What kind of person locks the toilet and turns off the electricity/water? I’d be more worried about this person than the freeloader. Would you prefer her to relieve herself on the floor, in the dark, with no water to clean it?

You said you would not be happy as a co tenant to subsidise another permanently? Yet advise the OP not to take steps that might show the freeloader their errant ways. All because you believe a co tenant has to recognise the rights that must be given to a freeloader by a LL.

"What kind of person locks the toilet and turns off the electricity/water" I would suggest that would be a person that is sick off paying for another when they don't have to. A LL might have not be able to deny services to a non paying tenant, a co tenant doesn't automatically have to do the same.

In the bathroom scenario, she can go outside, If she pees inside on the floor she can be evicted. Win win for the OP.

She hasn't paid for the electricity or gas to heat the water to wash her hands (or shower) so she can pee off some where else to pee. A couple of days inconvenience on everyone else (hardship on her) to eventually get her to see the error of her ways. The freeloader can complain to the LL, but they don't seem too interested. And if she forces him to act, it's going to be a couple of days of hardship on her before anything is done never mind achieved.

If water charges were still a thing, that would reinforce my point further.

Look into your liberal playbook there and tell us all what should the OP do instead of coming up with problems instead of solutions. You've yet to categorically say a co tenant can't do this, only saying you're more worried about the type of person that would think it or do it. You're worrying about the wrong person. Worry about the OP and others in their situation.

What's your solution? Move, break a lease, find a new home in a pandemic? Take the all the bills out of the tenants names until the services get cut anyway? Stop paying your share of the bills, becoming a freeloader yourself? Send her a strongly worded letter of complaint?

I once had a co-tenant that would not go halves on a bottle of gas, the only thing we had to heat a garage conversion bedsit in college. He had used up one that had been paid for solely by me, over the Christmas holidays when I wasn't there. The ridiculous solution he offered was that he would stay in the unheated kitchenette when the Superser was on.

I made sure it was on every second I could. Three days later he handed over half the money for that bottle. I have no time for freeloaders, and as you've probably guessed no time neither for their enablers/ excusers.

10pennymixup

10pennymixup wrote: »

You said you would not be happy as a co tenant to subsidise another permanently? Yet advise the OP not to take steps that might show the freeloader their errant ways. All because you believe a co tenant has to recognise the rights that must be given to a freeloader by a LL.

"What kind of person locks the toilet and turns off the electricity/water" I would suggest that would be a person that is sick off paying for another when they don't have to. A LL might have not be able to deny services to a non paying tenant, a co tenant doesn't automatically have to do the same.

In the bathroom scenario, she can go outside, If she pees inside on the floor she can be evicted. Win win for the OP.

She hasn't paid for the electricity or gas to heat the water to wash her hands (or shower) so she can pee off some where else to pee. A couple of days inconvenience on everyone else (hardship on her) to eventually get her to see the error of her ways. The freeloader can complain to the LL, but they don't seem too interested. And if she forces him to act, it's going to be a couple of days of hardship on her before anything is done never mind achieved.

If water charges were still a thing, that would reinforce my point further.

Look into your liberal playbook there and tell us all what should the OP do instead of coming up with problems instead of solutions. You've yet to categorically say a co tenant can't do this, only saying you're more worried about the type of person that would think it or do it. You're worrying about the wrong person. Worry about the OP and others in their situation.

What's your solution? Move, break a lease, find a new home in a pandemic? Take the all the bills out of the tenants names until the services get cut anyway? Stop paying your share of the bills, becoming a freeloader yourself? Send her a strongly worded letter of complaint?

I once had a co-tenant that would not go halves on a bottle of gas, the only thing we had to heat a garage conversion bedsit in college. He had used up one that had been paid for solely by me, over the Christmas holidays when I wasn't there. The ridiculous solution he offered was that he would stay in the unheated kitchenette when the Superser was on.

I made sure it was on every second I could. Three days later he handed over half the money for that bottle. I have no time for freeloaders, and as you've probably guessed no time neither for their enablers/ excusers.

Responsible, liable, call it what you want, it’s the problem for whoever’s name is on the contract, not the LLs.

Showing the girl the error of her ways cannot include locking the bathroom door, yes the op has to recognise her tenancy rights, there is legislation protecting her. A quick call to the LL/RTB will confirm this, and will not mean the LL will get involved in this dispute between tenants.

You want her to go outside to go to the toilet? Are you unwell? If she pisses on the floor, I’d say the LL will blame whoever locked the bathroom door, not kick the girl out.

jimmycrackcorm

Dav010 wrote:

Jeez, you can’t lock the bathroom on a tenant paying their rent, a LL can’t even change the locks on a tenant not paying rent. The mind boggles.

Dav010 wrote:

10pennymixup, if a tenant pays rent, they have a right to use the bathroom, though the tenant may be refusing to pay utilities, she is not refusing to pay rent. The only person responsible for payment of utilities is the person whose name is on the utility contract. Of course housemates tend to agree to split this bill, but that has nothing to do with the girl’s rights as a tenant, including use of the facilities in the property she is paying for. What kind of person locks the toilet and turns off the electricity/water? I’d be more worried about this person than the freeloader. Would you prefer her to relieve herself on the floor, in the dark, with no water to clean it?

They can ask one of the tenants to unlock the bathroom to use.

And when they pay for the utilities they can get access themselves.

10pennymixup

Dav010 wrote: »

Responsible, liable, call it what you want, it’s the problem for whoever’s name is on the contract, not the LLs.

Showing the girl the error of her ways cannot include locking the bathroom door, yes the op has to recognise her tenancy rights, there is legislation protecting her. A quick call to the LL/RTB will confirm this, and will not mean the LL will get involved in this dispute between tenants.

You want her to go outside to go to the toilet? Are you unwell? If she pisses on the floor, I’d say the LL will blame whoever locked the bathroom door, not kick the girl out.

No I am not unwell and do not wish the freeloader to use the back garden. I do not know this FL/ freeloader personally and do not wish anything for her. Someone else originally gave the example of the bathroom on which I expounded on figuratively, but more in general about the withdrawal of any unpaid for services

If in the OP's situation I would not wish her to use the backgarden either. I would wish for the FL to simply for her to pay her way and not be subsidized by me.

So from this I see deflection is your answer to being asked what you would do, rather than just naysay.

Attempts at ridicule too, especially when you suggested an earlier poster that you didn't agree with had too much wine. Not saying I agree with them though, but hardly classy.

Also I notice you didn't really answer the question about a co-tenant withdrawing utilities unpaid for, not the LL. Yes there is a modicum of legislation that says the co tenant must respect the FL's rights but play it forward for us.

Let her go to the RTB to force the LL to rectify the situation. I hope she can cross her legs long enough, figuratively speaking.

By an earlier description of the LL I'm sure he'll love the attention of RTB, (all LL's, good or bad just love hearing from them!)

If I were the LL, my first suggestion to the FL and RTB to rectify the situation is for the FL to pay her way!!

Maybe then to humour the RTB, post a notice of breach of tenancy agreement/ obligations to all the tenants (can't pick on just one after all) about the withdrawal of services, changing of locks, or whatever the gripe. A notice that requires the locks or whatever was done to be rectified. Stating that if not done by a certain time period, I'd do it at their cost/ deduction from deposit.

I probably wouldn't do this next bit, it would depend on how difficult the FL had made it for me but I might even suggest something on the QT to the other tenants. That they might have their peaceful and quiet enjoyment disturbed by me physically rectifying things and get a time and date that suits all tenants together.

Again, I hope the FL has a good bladder or that it's tiles in the hall outside the OP's bathroom. Again figuratively speaking, I could also say shower, store rubbish in her bedroom, internet blocked, cold storage of her food, light, heat etc etc. (for he that does not get it).

10pennymixup

Dav010 wrote: »

Not speaking figuratively, this would be disturbing behaviour.

Again, nothing constructive just deflection. You're like a little boy that conveniently can't get past the toilet humour.

What would you do?

What can the free loader effectively do if services are withdrawn by the other tenants?

Tell you what, don't bother, it'll only be the same old.

10pennymixup

10pennymixup wrote: »

Again, nothing constructive just deflection. You're like a little boy that conveniently can't get past the toilet humour.

What would you do?

What can the free loader effectively do if services are withdrawn by the other tenants?

Tell you what, don't bother, it'll only be the same old.

I’m not deflecting, I am telling you that the behaviour you are describing would be considered disturbing by most people. You do not deny a flatmate use of a toilet, make them go outside, store rubbish in their bedroom or turn electricity/water off. She is paying to rent the property. I agree that this situation is difficult for the op, but treating the girl like an animal isn’t the answer.

If I was the op, I’d move out

Graham

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Some of the recent posts are way below an acceptable standard for A & P. If it continues, cards and thread bans can be expected.

ted1

wandererz wrote: »

OP, what excatly is her dispute with reagrds to paying the bills.

I do agree with others that if she is not using WiFi/Broadband then she is not liable. Albeit, she should have provided ample warning of withdrawing from the agreement.

What exactly is her issue with not paying the electricity bills?

Also, does she use:

1) Lights
2) stoves, Microwaves, fridges, electric shower, irons, computer, laptops etc.
3) Heating

If the place we advertised as having broadband and that bills are split. It’s Irrelevant if she actually uses it.

handlemaster

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