Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119391922#Comment_119391922

She got her entire family vaccinated. She clearly by her actions thinks the vaccines are safe and provide some level of protection.

If 50 percent of the people who died in the Omicron surge were vaccinated... and the majority of vulnerable population are vacccinated... that means the unvaccinated are over represented in deaths.

I suggest you read the whole article and come back to us when you realise how much she just undermined your arguments.

Why do you trust in Paxlovid made by Pfizer when you dont trust their vaccine?

Do you realise when she talks of layered protection she is also talking about masks? Testing? All the stuff you dont believe in?

Or how she explains there is no such thing as long lasting 100 percent natural immunity as people can get reinfected? And that the vaccines in theory might work slightly better than naturally acquired protection?

It stopped 100 percent of symptomatic cases in the trials. If you remember back then test capacity was v limited.

So your claim now is reduced to they didnt pick up asymptomatic cases in the trials. Therefore you must accept that the vaccine did stop symptomatic cases in the trials?

And I thought you didnt care about asymptomatic infections? Do you even count them as cases?

Your ace in the hole youd been keeping in your pocket all day and its a busted flush as she is pro vaccine, pro pharma companies and flat out contradicts your claim they lied.

drunkmonkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119392026#Comment_119392026

She got more than her family vaccinated.

She did say the older people should take Paxlovid, why do I trust it I never said I did. I don't mistrust it either. I know some of these HIV drugs can be effective in combatting rouge strains of Pneumonia HIV patients can be susceptible to.

It's hard to agree with a lot of what she says, the Qatar study doesn't agree with her take on natural immunity.

50% of deaths are vaccinated another oddly even figure, I'd be interested in hearing what her take on fully vaccinated is. I have my doubts 50% of the deaths have never had a jab, but it's America and there's a lot of heavyweights there, so possibly.

Your claiming Pfizer didn't bother with the asymptomatic/healthy people as testing was limited. Really, I'm not buying it, seen as they made such a deal about asymptomatic spread before we even had a vaccine.

They lied, multiple examples of lies have been produced. I expect this trend to continue.

sydthebeat

Has buzzer been in yet to suggest Kate McCann fainting in live TV is down to the vaccine???

Seems to be the kind of thing he gets hard over

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119391091#Comment_119391091

Yeah I remember when they were saying that it's a pandemic of the unvaccinated. It's out there, easy enough to google it.

What they're doing now is bit by bit building a storyline and releasing it like drip feed.

If it all came out at once people would be very angry. So it's easier to just speak with nice soft accents, sound very nice and the majority will lap it up like sheep.

The emperor's new clothes, the boy's who cried wolf.

Mind you, it's not their fault they were glued to the covid sermons day in day out. It's just the way people are.

Whatever the latest thing is they'll take it.

Like mass long ago, people going to the church on a Sunday and petrified of the priests. Similar dissonance, totally captivated by masterful marketing campaigns and fear mongering.

It's bewilderment really, and the enchantment must be pretty powerful.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119392248#Comment_119392248

Banned alas.

Though it usually takes a little more time for these opinions to be filtered down through the Twitter grifters. And they've long since abandoned the claims that the vaccine was making people fall over in public.

Currently they've circled back to claims that the vaccine doesn't actually work rather than discuss any safety issues.

I suspect that this incident will be just added to the list and will be wheeled out when the fainting claim comes back around again.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119392216#Comment_119392216

This is laughable. You picked an expert and now you say "it's hard to agree with what she says."

So you weren't saying that when you just just read the headline and thought she supported your claim.

She got her family vaccinated. You keep running away from the question. Why would she do that if she thought there were safety issues with the vaccines, or that the vaccines were not beneficial?

She was asked the question did they lie. She did not agree with that. So she has cut the legs out from under you. Your claims are once again shown to be baseless, without evidence and as statements of fact without evidence are not worth consideration.

So now your chosen expert has stacked even more evidence against you. Your argument has hoist itself on its own petard.

drunkmonkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119392656#Comment_119392656

What part of her recommendation to take Paxlovid did you miss? Do understand why she's recommending it?

Before the vaccine what were some of the biggest conspiracy theorists recommending to prevent/treat pneumonia? Those protocols haven't changed to my knowledge.

Why now the switch to treat the vaxxed with HIV drugs designed for HIV patients? What's changed? Are we seeing signals of a compromised immune system in certain cohorts?

If you need Paxlovid the vaccine isn't doing its job, spin it what ever way you want but it's failed they're just breaking it to you slowly.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119392970#Comment_119392970

Come back to me when you address the points in my previous posts instead of shifting the goalposts each time you are cornered in a baseless claim.

You had no response except weasel words when pointed out the disproportionate number of deaths amongst unvaccinated.

Remember you said the vaccines didn't work. You said she was the source who would prove people lied and they knew the vaccines didn't work.

And the lie question is put to her in the interview and she does not agree with it.

And this is what she said:

"I can tell you as a family member who had individuals who were suspectable, of course, we got everyone vaccinated. But we still used layered protection during surges."

She talks about protection waning, which tallies with the results of the Lancet study cited above which you have offered no rebuttal to.

So yeah, she says don't rely on the vaccine - or natural immunity - because the protection wanes & breakthrough infections are possible. She talks of layered protection such as masks, testing, distancing. And yes she talks of treatment drugs. Nowhere does she say rely on the treatment drugs and don't take the vaccine.

Nowhere does she say the vaccines doesn't protect you against severe covid or provide no protection against infection. Implicitly, she says this because she talks of re-infections happening months later. She talks of the vaccine preventing symptomatic disease. And of course, she and her family got vaccinated. So she must think the vaccine is doing some job.

Your claim is ONCE AGAIN show to be false, and baseless and you provide zero evidence for your claims. As such, without evidence, they are garbage.

This is your chosen expert. Who is pro-vaccine, pro the pharma companies that produce the vaccine and their products, and tells us to protect ourselves against Omicron covid. That we should still be concerned about it. Hoist on your own petard.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119392970#Comment_119392970

Lol And we're back to you repeating the same claim you denied making a few pages ago.

The vaccines are compromising people's immune systems now?

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393023#Comment_119393023

They really, really need to start reading the stuff they link dump...

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393026#Comment_119393026

If that was true, they'd only be using it on vaccinated people.

Of course, the poster won't be able to show any such that. And won't do it, because it will cut the legs out from under their argument. Again.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393073#Comment_119393073

He's probably going to walk it back again. "I wasn't claiming that, I was JAQ!"

Fighting Tao

Twice in the last 14 hours, it was claimed that something wasn’t said when it was, and could be proven from scrolling back a page. Could multiple people be posting from the same account?

hometruths

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119391679#Comment_119391679

There has also been billions spent on failed SARS-COV2 vaccines, CureVac and Sanofi to name 2.

Pfizer and Moderna to name another two.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393256#Comment_119393256

You are making a statement of fact which is without evidence. Your claim is garbage, baseless, refuted by the Lancet Study YOU posted on the thread. You saw the report. You had zero comeback to its effectiveness at protecting against severe covid & the protection it offered over 6 months in infection. Now you double down with this nonsense. Do you think we have forgotten already the report you introduced as evidence?

hometruths

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393294#Comment_119393294

those two just seem to have a lot of cases of vaccine failure for such supposedly successful vaccines. AstraZeneca too.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393256#Comment_119393256

From completely agreeing with the scientifice data and analysis of the vaccines to this when you found out it proved your fantasies wrong.

I am unsurprised :)

Millions of people are alive today that would have died from COVID because of the vaccines.

This is irrefutable.

Spin away again little lamb! (or obsess, whichever floats your boat).

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393314#Comment_119393314

They made an effort to create these vaccines, but It's my opinion they thought they were going to work wonders.

But it's obvious that the virus is much smarter than anticipated.

If they admitted that their vaccines didn't work as well as intended and admit that they omitted their projections people would probably say "fair enough **** happens they tried their best with what they had at the time"

The writings on the wall now, back to the drawing board as they say.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393314#Comment_119393314

Ah, the walk back begins when challenged. First it was that the vaccines were failure. Now you talk about cases of vaccine failure when you know you can't defend your original claim.

This is not a failed vaccine and anyone who makes the claim, without qualification, that it doesn't work or is a failure does not do so on the basis of evidence.

"For the outcome of severe COVID-19, vaccine effectiveness waned from 89% (82 to 93; p<0·001) at 15–30 days to 64% (44 to 77; p<0·001) from day 121 onwards....

For protection against infection Pfizer:

mRNA-1273, with a vaccine effectiveness of 96% (94 to 97; p<0·001) at 15–30 days and 59% (18 to 79; p=0·012) from day 181 onwards.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-67362200089-7/fulltext

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393390#Comment_119393390

There is no writing on the wall other than tweaked vaccines for new variants similar to annual flu vaccines and current vaccines being used for an Autumn booster.

Also, funny to watch the jumping from mRNA to all vaccines and back again depending on which lie the anti-vaxxers are trying to push.

Again, millions of lives saved by vaccines, by far the cheapest measure of the whole pandemic vs. ongoing restrictions and over-run hospitals.

Unvaccinated were 12-20x more likely to be in ICU vs. a vaccinated person, the unvaccinated prevented restrictions being lifted sooner and thus prolonged the pandemic for everyone (and luckily we never restricted them from accessing the health system for their idiocy).

hometruths

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393390#Comment_119393390

If they admitted that their vaccines didn't work as well as intended and admit that they omitted their projections people would probably say "fair enough **** happens they tried their best with what they had at the time"

Yep, it's the "Vaccines are working amazingly!" revisionism that bothers me.

hometruths

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393388#Comment_119393388

What fantasies of mine were proved wrong, and how were they proved wrong?

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393314#Comment_119393314

Lol dude. You keep jumping in with these little empty nuggets you know you can't defend.

You ignore all of the false claims that your fellow conspiracy theorists have made. You ignore all of the times your claims have been shown to be false.

What do you think you're achieving with these fly by posts?

hometruths

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393395#Comment_119393395

A vaccine that provides negative efficacy against infection relative to the unvaccinated after 8 months is a failure.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393444#Comment_119393444

But again, why then aren't you bothered by any of the revisionism and outright lying coming from the anti-vaxxer side?

You still refuse to comment on it and keep pretending to not see it. So it's very clear to all that this concern of your is entirely false.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393458#Comment_119393458

Which vaccine are you talking about? Do you even know? Come on, spell it out.

The study was done in Sweden. And here's the key point:

The first was SARS-CoV-2 infection of any severity from Jan 12 to Oct 4, 2021.

Who were the people being vaccinated in under 60s in Sweden 8 months back from October 2021?

And with what vaccines.

Then show us the figures for severe covid after 8 months - either all vaccines or just mRNA.

How is a vaccine a failure if it provides durable significant protection against severe covid, and at least 6 months worth of significant protection against infection - during a global pandemic?

You write the words, but the report you introduced as evidence shows what nonsense they are.

drunkmonkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393444#Comment_119393444

They're not working, they still claim the first two shorts prevent against severe disease and hospitalisation and that protection is still great, yet out of the other side or their mouth we've Lucy Jessop telling people to get a 3rd booster to get the same protection.

I'm sorry but that's bonkers, the first two either work or they don't, I've not seen any admission by the HSE that the initial shots don't prevent against severe disease and hospitalisation infact they're still encouraging people to come forward for their first two.

Revisionism, they've went to far, it's damage control now but they're making a mess of that too by still pushing.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393555#Comment_119393555

Strawman nonsense. They either work or they dont. Nope, that's not how real life works. There's such a thing as percentages and waning.

And all this applies to naturally acquired immune response from being infected by covid.

By your standard of working perfectly no medicine or treatment works because it doesnt work 100%. DO antiobiotics work? Some times people have to get mixed courses or second courses. So I guess you don't think they work.

Millions of lives saved. Millions of hospitalisations prevented. But they don't work!!! Nope, that's bonkers. It is more than bonkers. It is disingenuous.

"For the outcome of severe COVID-19, vaccine effectiveness waned from 89% (82 to 93; p<0·001) at 15–30 days to 64% (44 to 77; p<0·001) from day 121 onwards....

For protection against infection Pfizer:

mRNA-1273, with a vaccine effectiveness of 96% (94 to 97; p<0·001) at 15–30 days and 59% (18 to 79; p=0·012) from day 181 onwards.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393555#Comment_119393555

"Seatbelts don't work because you can still die in a car crash. They either work or they don't."

Also, it's really funny you guys are now starting to bleat on about "revisionism" yet how many times have you been caught out claiming stuff that isn't true or been caught out misquoting and misrepresenting stuff?

drunkmonkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393585#Comment_119393585

If I was asked to put on 5 seat belts after telling me one is still enough I'd be starting to ask questions.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393632#Comment_119393632

Or having to put on the seatbelt every time you get in the car...

But as we've been showing you repeatedly, you are misrpresenting things. No one told you "one will be enough." That's something you're making up so you can pretend there's a conspiracy going on.

Remember how you tried to claim that they said it would be 100% effective, and you were shown to be wrong? Same thing here. Provide an example of any medical organisation stating that you would only need two and that the vaccines effectiviness wouldn't wane.

If not, please explain where you're getting the idea from?

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393444#Comment_119393444

Well yes revisionism is a tactic used to not say sorry or I was wrong.

You'll get a lot of so called spiritual and religious people manipulating their guilt and shortcomings too and say, sure that's the way it goes acceptence is the answer, turn the other cheek yada yada yada

Like a priest robbing the parish, we have to pray for him.

The devil's in the detail.

I was a bad ass fudder mucker, so I know how these cretins operate. I was once in the cooperative world. And we do a lot of things that aren't exactly honest.

We knew all the loopholes,had all the answers. But we always get caught out in the end.

drunkmonkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393688#Comment_119393688

You've been shown multiple times where we were told you won't catch, carry or spread the virus if you take these jabs. You continue to deny this, then you shifted the goal posts and asked where a medical company said this, then you were showed that Pfizer said it, then it was only symptomatic spread you guys said it worked for but it didn't work for that either.

Then you claim it's us misrepresenting things.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393826#Comment_119393826

But no, we haven't.

You were asked to provide an example of this, but when you did, I showed how you were misrepresenting things. You ignored that post.

You can't show any examples because it's not actually true.

Same with this notion that you were told that boosters wouldn't be needed or that the effectiveness of the vaccines wouldn't wane. You can't provide any examples. It's a revisionist lie that's been feed to you by grifters.

And this is of course ignoring all of the previous mistruths and misrepresentations.

Like how you just claimed that the vaccines were compromising people's immune systems based on zero evidence...

Like how you claimed it was affecting people's menstrual cycles...

Like how you claimed it was causing a drop in birthrate...

Like how you claimed it was cause news readers and athletes to collapse...

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393448#Comment_119393448

Every single thing you've posted has been proven irrefutably wrong :) You are batting 0 so far and arguing with the umpire about what constitutes a baseball while striking out. The depths you have fallen to after starting off pretending the doctors couldn't answer questions to full blown anti-vax spin conspiracist doing drive by postings.

(though at least you haven't fallen to the depraved depths of spreading fear about pregnancy like some others).

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393899#Comment_119393899

Nah, he just stays completely silent on the claims about pregnancy, will refuse to state his position on it and will most likely pretend not to even see those claims and act offended that we'd make such an accusation.

drunkmonkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119393874#Comment_119393874

I never claimed it causes news readers and athletes to collapse, didn't mention it could be related to a drop in birth rates.

I did say it affected womens periods that's another fact your trying to whitewash, I didn't pull you up on it as I know your just trolling you couldn't be that detached from women, maybe you are as you refer to them as people when talking about menstruations.

You've been presented with experts and evidence all along the way, you choose to either ignore them, rubbish the sources or twist it in such a way nobody knows what the hell your trying to say. That's all in your handbook so I mainly ignore such fudging of reality.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119394217#Comment_119394217

Mm hmm. So if you're not claiming those things, why haven't you pulled up your conspiracy theorists friends for claiming that stuff?

If you're not claiming that stuff, please state that you believe it's false clearly and unambiguously.

But you won't. Cause you do believe that stuff or your are unable to disagree with your fellow conspiracy theorists.

Yes, any immune response can affect people's menstrual cycles. You ignore this to claim that the vaccines are effecting them more without any support for that claim.

And no, you've not presented any experts or any evidence. When you attempt to, it's always the case that you're misrepresenting stuff and ignoring parts of what you're posting.

In the most recent example, you tried to claim that experts were claiming 100% effectiveness. This was exposed as completely false by knowing the document you're referencing and knowing the parts your were editing out.

patnor1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119391655#Comment_119391655

It is always flights or covid. Never the vaccine. It is what they believe and somehow they know it is a fact... And we are the conspiracy theorists lol.

drunkmonkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119394249#Comment_119394249

So I didn't say what you said I said, other posters did, so you like a lot of the bad actors lied again.

Again I'm not holding your hand when it comes to research, if you believe the changes to periods are unrelated to the vaccine it tells me you haven't done much and are deliberately ignoring the subject calling it another conspiracy to add on your list.

You keep going back to the 100% effective yet it was shown to you it was misrepresented by people in power coercing others to take the jab based on such a claim.

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119394322#Comment_119394322

I guarantee that if you provided facts and evidence they prove random people getting clots is due to receiving the vaccine, people would agree. However, no one is able to do so. The ball is in your court. Go get the evidence.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119394372#Comment_119394372

You either said it, or you won't disagree with it openly. Doesn't really matter, it's the same thing.

If you don't believe that stuff, say it's false and I will happily withdraw the claim.

And again, you're trying this "do your own research" tactic. I have done my own research. As always conspiracy theorists are misrepresenting things to make them sound sinister and sensational.

And no, you haven't shown any such thing. You were asked to show an example of a medical organisation umambiguously claiming that. You tried support this, but you were called out for misrepresenting as usual.

It's the same with your claim that people were told that they wouldn't need boosters or that the effectiveness wouldn't wane.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119394322#Comment_119394322

Yes. You are claiming there's a vast global conspiracy that's covering up the side effects of the vaccine.

You are conspiracy theorists. That's why you are relegated to posting your nonsense here, remember?

patnor1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119394381#Comment_119394381

Rubbish.

There are facts and evidence and plenty of it. That is why several of covid "vaccines" had to be taken off market and remaining have to put warnings on label.

robinph

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119394626#Comment_119394626

You do know that all medications have warnings on the labels?

Or that products get taken off the market for multiple reasons, like something better comes along so there is no market for that product?

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119394626#Comment_119394626

Lol. Still using the scare quotes.

We're back around to the claim the vaccine isn't a vaccine now...

Which other non-covid vaccines in the world don't have warning labels?

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119394626#Comment_119394626

Show the evidence for Hailey Bieber then. Also, the latest thrown in here: Paul Ryder. Produce the evidence he died from a clot caused by the vaccine. The rubbish is what you type because you make up crap as you go along.

bad2thebone

Faucci is now saying he never recommended lockdowns, but there's footage of him saying he recommended locking the country down.

More lies, wait for the big one it's probably a few months away.

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119395771#Comment_119395771

Always at some unspecified time in the future. In a few months it will still be a few months away.

I’m one away from getting a line in the latest round of conspiracy theorist bingo.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119395771#Comment_119395771

Theres footage. Just none you can show us unedited right so we can be sure it hasnt been taken out of context?

Cos its not like that stunt hasnt been tried before on this thread.

Any such claim made as a statement of fact without evidence is garbage.