Delivery drivers parking illegally

iffandonlyif

With the growth of internet shopping, you see a lot more couriers about the place. And many seem to subscribe to the 'hazard lights' school of parking.


I confronted a fellow recently who had driven into a segregated cycle lane and left his van there. His response was, 'But I'm delivering a package...'

I really feel something needs to be done about - perhaps making the receiver responsible for where the delivery driver parks, or allowing the guards issue fines based on photographs submitted by the public.

ELM327

iffandonlyif wrote: »

With the growth of internet shopping, you see a lot more couriers about the place. And many seem to subscribe to the 'hazard lights' school of parking.


I confronted a fellow recently who had driven into a segregated cycle lane and left his van there. His response was, 'But I'm delivering a package...'

I really feel something needs to be done about - perhaps making the receiver responsible for where the delivery driver parks, or allowing the guards issue fines based on photographs submitted by the public.

Good luck with that one.

Big Daddy Kane

1850 715 815

JeffKenna

At least the van driver is paying road tax.

KevRossi

JeffKenna wrote: »

At least the van driver is paying road tax.

He's not.

Neither is his company.

Gatling

Slow day

The Mighty Quinn

iffandonlyif wrote: »

I really feel something needs to be done about - perhaps making the receiver responsible for where the delivery driver parks

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :D:D:pac::D:D:pac::pac::):):D:D

alias no.9

It is permitted to park a commercial vehicle on a double yellow line when actively loading or unloading the vehicle.

the beer revolu

alias no.9 wrote: »

It is permitted to park a commercial vehicle on a double yellow line when actively loading or unloading the vehicle.

No.
You are probably thinking of loading bays.

alias no.9

the beer revolu wrote: »

No.
You are probably thinking of loading bays.

No, a loading bay or regular parking bay should be used if available but it is specifically permitted to park on double yellows while actively loading or unloading.

BattleCorp

Having worked as a delivery driver many moons ago, there's often fcukall places to park so you've no option other than to park illegally.

Most traffic wardens/Gardai were sympathetic as they understood the practicalities of the job with only a few of them being awkward.

micah537

Where is he meant to park? Was there anything within a short distance that a van would park in?

Should he go to a car park and walk 10min to make the delivery? Will you be annoyed when your deliveries are alway incredibly late due to this?

If he didn't use a close by safe place to park, sure he's a ass but if there's no where close by you can't expect him to walk 10min or so to make a 30 second delivery. You probably wasted more time than the delivery took.

Should he have left the van on the road not the cycle path? Was there more cyclists than motorists at that time?

Maybe couriers could up there prices and hire one driver and one helper that could jump out of the van to make the delivery. Would that suit you or do you want delivery costs to stay low?

What is your solution other than complaining?

GBX

iffandonlyif wrote: »

With the growth of internet shopping, you see a lot more couriers about the place. And many seem to subscribe to the 'hazard lights' school of parking.


I confronted a fellow recently who had driven into a segregated cycle lane and left his van there. His response was, 'But I'm delivering a package...'

I really feel something needs to be done about - perhaps making the receiver responsible for where the delivery driver parks, or allowing the guards issue fines based on photographs submitted by the public.

First thing you should do so is never ever ever ever ever order anything that has to be delivered by a somebody.

the beer revolu

alias no.9 wrote: »

No, a loading bay or regular parking bay should be used if available but it is specifically permitted to park on double yellows while actively loading or unloading.

I answered you.
No

whiskeyman

Don't worry
Drones will be here soon and white van man a thing of the past.

Well, maybe not for heavier stuff...

Witcher

the beer revolu wrote: »

I answered you.
No

Alias no.9 is correct.

I saw a driver yesterday delay traffic in both lanes while he was doing

a three point turn INSTEAD of using the roundabout 100 metres further

down the road! Brainless in my opinion!

Grayson

the beer revolu wrote: »

No.
You are probably thinking of loading bays.

You can load or unload on double yellow lines for a maximum of 30 minutes so long as you aren't blocking the flow of traffic or endangers other road users.

JimmyVik

iffandonlyif wrote: »

With the growth of internet shopping, you see a lot more couriers about the place. And many seem to subscribe to the 'hazard lights' school of parking.


I confronted a fellow recently who had driven into a segregated cycle lane and left his van there. His response was, 'But I'm delivering a package...'

I really feel something needs to be done about - perhaps making the receiver responsible for where the delivery driver parks, or allowing the guards issue fines based on photographs submitted by the public.

Why didnt you do something about it then. Like cycle AROUND the van.
Jesus wept.

corner of hells

iffandonlyif wrote: »

With the growth of internet shopping, you see a lot more couriers about the place. And many seem to subscribe to the 'hazard lights' school of parking.


I confronted a fellow recently who had driven into a segregated cycle lane and left his van there. His response was, 'But I'm delivering a package...'

I really feel something needs to be done about - perhaps making the receiver responsible for where the delivery driver parks, or allowing the guards issue fines based on photographs submitted by the public.

You know what OP ,I was just thinking about the very same issue in between checking on my collection of onions and counting my jars of rainwater.

iffandonlyif

It's striking how few people give a damn. So maybe the problem is actually cultural.

BattleCorp wrote: »

Having worked as a delivery driver many moons ago, there's often fcukall places to park so you've no option other than to park illegally.

I get that point, and another thing that should be done is to have more parkign spots reserved for deliveries (my point in the OP about making receivers responsible was that they would be expected to indicate a place where the driver could park). But, and you may contest this, too often I see drivers who have quite obviously made no effort to park legally.

micah537 wrote: »

Where is he meant to park? Was there anything within a short distance that a van would park in?

Should he go to a car park and walk 10min to make the delivery? Will you be annoyed when your deliveries are alway incredibly late due to this?

If he didn't use a close by safe place to park, sure he's a ass but if there's no where close by you can't expect him to walk 10min or so to make a 30 second delivery. You probably wasted more time than the delivery took.

Should he have left the van on the road not the cycle path? Was there more cyclists than motorists at that time?

Maybe couriers could up there prices and hire one driver and one helper that could jump out of the van to make the delivery. Would that suit you or do you want delivery costs to stay low?

What is your solution other than complaining?

Lol, that's all over the place.

JimmyVik

JimmyVik wrote: »

Why didnt you do something about it then. Like cycle AROUND the van.
Jesus wept.

How dare you!
Cyclists only do that when there’s a car behind

biko

I'll only be 2 minutes....

h3000

alias no.9 wrote: »

It is permitted to park a commercial vehicle on a double yellow line when actively loading or unloading the vehicle.

Are you sure? I know of no such exemption and if there is can you please point me in the right direction? Some of our lads have to park on double yellows sometimes and we have had fines from it. We ensure they don't park in cycle lanes, foot paths ,disabled bays ect though. If the loading bays were kept free for commercial vehicles that are actually loading that would be a great help.

Witcher

Double yellows law;

Section 36(2)(a) S.I. No. 182/1997 - Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) Regulations, 1997

(2) A vehicle shall not be parked—

( a ) on that side of a section of roadway along the edge of which traffic sign number RRM 008 [double yellow lines] has been provided

Exemption from it;

Section 5(2)(e) S.I. No. 182/1997 - Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) Regulations, 1997

( e ) a prohibition on the parking of a vehicle imposed by article 36(2)(a) shall not apply to a vehicle parked while goods are being loaded in or on to it or unloaded from it, for a period not exceeding thirty minutes from the commencement of the parking.

cj maxx

My main gripe is the delivery man for the shop near me.
He parked across the shop , so I, who walks poorly, had to go to the off licence next door for smokes. The basterd called the police for me being drunk !!! Prick

28064212

the beer revolu wrote: »

I answered you.
No

You're incorrect: http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1997/en/si/0182.html

Non-application of certain Prohibitions and Restrictions
5. (2) Save where otherwise expressly provided in these Regulations, a prohibition on the entry of a vehicle to a road or an area or the prohibition on the stopping or parking of a vehicle imposed by these Regulations shall not apply to—
...
(e) a prohibition on the parking of a vehicle imposed by article 36(2)(a) shall not apply to a vehicle parked while goods are being loaded in or on to it or unloaded from it, for a period not exceeding thirty minutes from the commencement of the parking.
...

36. (1) Save as otherwise provided for in these Regulations and subject to article 5, a vehicle shall not be parked on a public road at a location, in a manner or for a purpose referred to in this article.
(2) A vehicle shall not be parked—
(a) on that side of a section of roadway along the edge of which traffic sign number RRM 008 [double yellow lines] has been provided;

h3000

Witcher wrote: »

Double yellows law;

Section 36(2)(a) S.I. No. 182/1997 - Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) Regulations, 1997



Exemption from it;

Section 5(2)(e) S.I. No. 182/1997 - Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) Regulations, 1997

Thanks for that.

You too for highlighting it Alias No.9

kenmc

Witcher wrote: »

Double yellows law;

Section 36(2)(a) S.I. No. 182/1997 - Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) Regulations, 1997



Exemption from it;

Section 5(2)(e) S.I. No. 182/1997 - Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) Regulations, 1997

What has double yellow laws to do with the original post which was about segregated cycle tracks?

iffandonlyif

Just to be clear, the exemption from parking on yellow lines doesn't allow them to park in cycle lanes, ramp up on footpaths, etc. It's also quite obviously intended to apply to commercial deliveries for which it would often be impossible to park farther away.

Witcher

kenmc wrote: »

What has double yellow laws to do with the original post which was about segregated cycle tracks?

There was a seperate issue raised by another poster, perhaps you might consider reading the thread.

Zebra3

iffandonlyif wrote: »

With the growth of internet shopping, you see a lot more couriers about the place. And many seem to subscribe to the 'hazard lights' school of parking.


I confronted a fellow recently who had driven into a segregated cycle lane and left his van there. His response was, 'But I'm delivering a package...'

I really feel something needs to be done about - perhaps making the receiver responsible for where the delivery driver parks, or allowing the guards issue fines based on photographs submitted by the public.

Amazing that the driver thought it was acceptable to block cyclists, but didn’t dare upset other motorists. :rolleyes:

Graces7

What do An Post do?

Graces7

Graces7 wrote: »

What do An Post do?

Charge you extra VAT & customs?

GBX

GBX wrote: »

First thing you should do so is never ever ever ever ever order anything that has to be delivered by a somebody.

Why? Because he expects them to operate within the law and not consider themselves superior to cyclists using the cycle lane?

I have two blind friends, I guess they should just accept waking into and being blocked by assholes parking on the footpath from now on

Bam Bam Mickey

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

Charge you extra VAT & customs?

Usually cheaper then private companies

Bikerman2019

I wouldnt worry about upsetting cyclists. When they start obeying the rules of the road - ie traffic lights and the like, then I will worry about them.

breezy1985

iffandonlyif wrote: »

Just to be clear, the exemption from parking on yellow lines doesn't allow them to park in cycle lanes, ramp up on footpaths, etc. It's also quite obviously intended to apply to commercial deliveries for which it would often be impossible to park farther away.

But parking on double yellows and parking in a cycle lane are the same thing. Both block a lane of traffic.

I have no problem going round a delivery van if he is actually in the process of delivering and there is nowhere else close to park

Snoozecruise

iffandonlyif wrote: »

It's striking how few people give a damn. So maybe the problem is actually cultural.



I get that point, and another thing that should be done is to have more parkign spots reserved for deliveries (my point in the OP about making receivers responsible was that they would be expected to indicate a place where the driver could park). But, and you may contest this, too often I see drivers who have quite obviously made no effort to park legally.



Lol, that's all over the place.

Whats all over the place?

kenmc

Witcher wrote: »

There was a seperate issue raised by another poster, perhaps you might consider reading the thread.

I did. And alias no 9, unprompted, mentioned the legality of parking on double yellows. For some unknown reason.

L1011

the beer revolu wrote: »

I answered you.
No

You're wrong, though.

If there are no other legal restrictions to parking - e.g. distance to a junction, solid white line - a commercial vehicle can be stopped on double yellows for loading/unloading.

murpho999

Bikerman2019 wrote: »

I wouldnt worry about upsetting cyclists. When they start obeying the rules of the road - ie traffic lights and the like, then I will worry about them.

Massive generalisations there and as not all cyclists break the rules but either way two wrongs don't make a right.

Potential-Monke

Zebra3 wrote: »

Amazing that the driver thought it was acceptable to block cyclists, but didn’t dare upset other motorists. :rolleyes:

What did cyclists do before cycle lanes?

ELM327

Potential-Monke wrote: »

What did cyclists do before cycle lanes?

Same as they do now. Not use them.

the beer revolu

L1011 wrote: »

You're wrong, though.

If there are no other legal restrictions to parking - e.g. distance to a junction, solid white line - a commercial vehicle can be stopped on double yellows for loading/unloading.

I know I was wrong.
However, I answered the question (incorrectly) but was asked the same question again.
My (incorrect) answer was obviously going to be the same.

My answer wasn't queried, it was just asked again as if I hadn't answered it.

Surreptitious

cj maxx wrote: »

My main gripe is the delivery man for the shop near me.
He parked across the shop , so I, who walks poorly, had to go to the off licence next door for smokes. The basterd called the police for me being drunk !!! Prick

? What

Zebra3

Potential-Monke wrote: »

What did cyclists do before cycle lanes?

What's that got to do with anything?

breezy1985

Zebra3 wrote: »

What's that got to do with anything?

It depends on how far back before cycle lanes he is talking about. For a while there they cycled along happily until cars came along and decided that roads were only for them

Potential-Monke

Potential-Monke wrote: »

What did cyclists do before cycle lanes?

Get hit more?

.anon.

micah537 wrote: »

Should he have left the van on the road not the cycle path?

Why not? Cycle paths (and footpaths, bus stops and bus lanes) should be sacrosanct and used only for their intended purposes. They aren't overflow parking spaces.

ulster

iffandonlyif wrote: »

With the growth of internet shopping, you see a lot more couriers about the place. And many seem to subscribe to the 'hazard lights' school of parking.


I confronted a fellow recently who had driven into a segregated cycle lane and left his van there. His response was, 'But I'm delivering a package...'

I really feel something needs to be done about - perhaps making the receiver responsible for where the delivery driver parks, or allowing the guards issue fines based on photographs submitted by the public.

"I really feel something needs to be done about this".....*starts thread in After Hours

Ahahahahaha