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Proof of Competency

  • 15-04-2021 9:33pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 31


    Do you need to take a competency course to get a firearms licence? Is there any other way to prove competency for a firearms licence. I am part of a registered gun club but did not have a previous firearm. I also have permission to shoot on a relative's land. Thanks.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 714 ✭✭✭charlesanto


    a quick google search spat THIS out


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    Welcome to the forum.
    Do you need to take a competency course to get a firearms licence?
    Yes and no.

    Yes is that you have to show competence, but a course it not the only method to do this. It is however the "easier" way to show it.
    Is there any other way to prove competency for a firearms licence.
    The four ways to prove competence are:
    1. Safety course
    2. Letter(s) of attestation from other gun owners
    3. Previous experience with firearms (job, etc)
    4. Having a training license prior to seeking full license
    I am part of a registered gun club but did not have a previous firearm. I also have permission to shoot on a relative's land. Thanks.
    You've the hard part done so.
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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭Zxthinger


    So, getting a kid on a training licence m and that the mentor is providing the training..

    Cant teach the young fellow how to drive but I can teach him to kill animals with a tool designed to kill..


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    Training a youth in firearms happens in a controlled and safe environment (usually a range or wide open area) under strict supervision. Stick a 14 yr old behind the wheel of a car and you have limited, to no, control and its much more dangerous given you have to take them out on the roads where you'd endanger others.

    Not a like comparison in the slightest.
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  • Registered Users Posts: 27 justbehindit


    Cass wrote: »
    Training a youth in firearms happens in a controlled and safe environment (usually a range or wide open area) under strict supervision. Stick a 14 yr old behind the wheel of a car and you have limited, to no, control and its much more dangerous given you have to take them out on the roads where you'd endanger others.

    Not a like comparison in the slightest.

    Completely agree to be honest in my opinion your a lot more like to kill someone else or yourself in a car (especially when your young)
    then using a firearm in a safe and competent way.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭Zxthinger


    everyone (most) alive leaned to drive by being taught by either their dad, their mate, the work pal, their partner..

    If your given good instruction and you try to learn then it's was 100% deal.. I never heard of too much going wrong..

    We all know that the driving schools were lobbyists for this change..


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭cookimonster


    Zxthinger wrote: »
    We all know that the driving schools were lobbyists for this change..

    Ehh?..... I don't think so. The driving forces were road safety, compliance to current laws (not the ones brought in) requiring people to have some form of driving licence. Finally, because it always seems that this little country of ours makes theses things up as they go along, we fell in line with best practice seen in other countries were it was mandatory to receive organised instruction before issuing of a license let alone hitting the road.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Ehh?..... I don't think so. The driving forces were road safety, compliance to current laws (not the ones brought in) requiring people to have some form of driving licence. Finally, because it always seems that this little country of ours makes theses things up as they go along, we fell in line with best practice seen in other countries were it was mandatory to receive organised instruction before issuing of a license let alone hitting the road.

    God be with the days one could fail the test and hop back into the car and drive off!

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    Zxthinger wrote: »
    If your given good instruction and you try to learn then it's was 100% deal.. I never heard of too much going wrong..

    I'm not talking about the effectiveness or "competency" of the training/lessons for driving, but the place in which it takes place not to mention the ability to learn about gun safety/shooting from a much younger age.

    I went out shooting shortly after i could stand upright. So by the time i hit 14 i had over 10 years experience of hunting, shooting, gun safety and practical experience.

    Driving has a much more physical barrier in the form of being able to reach the pedals or more accurately control the vehicle and as said above having to be on a road, iow in public, to do it. Shooting doesn't.

    I understand the comparison you're trying to make but driving, for me, is not the same.
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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 1,422 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    Cass wrote: »
    I'm not talking about the effectiveness or "competency" of the training/lessons for driving, but the place in which it takes place not to mention the ability to learn about gun safety/shooting from a much younger age.

    I went out shooting shortly after i could stand upright. So by the time i hit 14 i had over 10 years experience of hunting, shooting, gun safety and practical experience.

    Driving has a much more physical barrier in the form of being able to reach the pedals or more accurately control the vehicle and as said above having to be on a road, iow in public, to do it. Shooting doesn't.

    I understand the comparison you're trying to make but driving, for me, is not the same.

    Couldn't agree more.

    I learned to operate a vehicle in a multitude of cars, jeeps and tractors way before I ever got out on the road, but while knowing how to take off, hillstart, use the right gear, handbrake turns, doughnuts in muddy fields etc was handy. Once you hit the road actually having to deal with traffic and laws and such was a whole different game.

    Mind you, not having to concentrate on actually operating the car was certainly handier than learning that while encountering all the rest of the crap on the roads.

    Same thing with shooting, I was shooting before I could hold a firearm by myself, and already had exactly what I wanted to get licenced on picked out by the time I was leaving primary school.

    That method of learning, start them young(some will inevitably say too young) and develop good habits in a safe environment I think is far superior to mandatory lessons/instruction way later in life.

    Speaking of which anyone got any experience with good ear defenders for young tykes(<5)? :D

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭Feisar


    otmmyboy2 wrote: »
    Speaking of which anyone got any experience with good ear defenders for young tykes(<5)? :D

    Seen these at the weekend, was picking up paperwork.

    https://wildhunter.ie/collections/hearing-protection-2/products/peltor-kids-hearing-protection-1

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 1,422 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    Feisar wrote: »

    Interesting, cheers Feisar. :D

    Peltor site for them says fits kids up to 7 so might be perfect!

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



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