What kind of person beeps a learner driver?

You deserve a special place in hell if you beep a learner driver when they've cut out.

Strumms

You do it once, you are a cock... for life.

Apoapsis Rex

It's training them for the real world of driving! People do get beeped at. I'm doing them a favour. I usually beep a 2nd time just as they re start the car for some extra teaching.

Speedline

It's a lousy thing to do. Some people can be right cnuts when they get behind the wheel. I bet they wouldn't roar at someone in Dunnes to get out of their way.

JibJabWibWab

Tell me you're a learner driver, without saying you're a learner driver...

the beer revolu

While beeping at anyone who has cut out is a stupid and ignorant thing to do, due to our strange laws around learner drivers, one has no idea whether a car with an L plate is being driven by a learner or not.

peasant

People who can't drive (yet) have no business being on the road.
Unless they are in a proper instructors car with dual controls, with an instructor who will eventually lend a helping foot if there is no progress being made.

iamstop

Probably the same type of person who beeps a cyclist for cycling at the correct side of the road.
I've never had this happen in Ireland but here in Canada some people in pick up trucks like to beep at cyclists for a laugh. Idiots.

YoshiReturns

Sexually frustrated people beep more.
And road runners. beep beep
And sexually frustrated road runners beep a lot.

KaneToad

The same type of person who shouts at cyclists to get into the cycle lane. Usually a person of lower intelligence.

Mrs OBumble

peasant wrote: »

People who can't drive (yet) have no business being on the road.
Unless they are in a proper instructors car with dual controls, with an instructor who will eventually lend a helping foot if there is no progress being made.

Does that include people using bicycles?

Shred

I did it once and her passenger started going mad gesticulating through the rear window at me. What the díck didn’t realise was she had been rolling backwards towards me and would have hit my car had I not beeped. Nice teaching there fella :rolleyes:

But in general I agree, don’t beep learners - we were all there at one point!

peasant

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Does that include people using bicycles?

Well, not in the original sense of my post.

But hey...if you can't drive your bicycle (yet) you'll soon learn the hard way that you shouldn't be on the road*



*And by road in that sense I mean the type with real life traffic on them...just for the pernickety type who deliberately needs to misunderstand

peasant

peasant wrote: »

People who can't drive (yet) have no business being on the road.
Unless they are in a proper instructors car with dual controls, with an instructor who will eventually lend a helping foot if there is no progress being made.

Ah yeah, I'm sure you were never a learner. You must have come out of the womb in a caravan ready to get on the road.

Galwayguy35

peasant wrote: »

People who can't drive (yet) have no business being on the road.
Unless they are in a proper instructors car with dual controls, with an instructor who will eventually lend a helping foot if there is no progress being made.

Hopefully you followed your own advice when you first starting driving.

peasant

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah yeah, I'm sure you were never a learner. You must have come out of the womb in a caravan ready to get on the road.

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Hopefully you followed your own advice when you first starting driving.

As it happens, I did my learning in an instructors car with dual controls and only after I passed my theoretical test...anything else would have been illegal.

As for beeping at learners, I beep at them as much or rather as little as I beep at everybody else. Everybody gets to make a mistake, L plate or not. Sure I make them myself, every now and then.
But my patience does have limits.

Sonics2k

peasant wrote: »

People who can't drive (yet) have no business being on the road.
Unless they are in a proper instructors car with dual controls, with an instructor who will eventually lend a helping foot if there is no progress being made.

Okay, but in what possible way does beeping at said learner driver help?

I've been on the road nearly 20 years and it never occurs to me to beep at an L plate. They're learning, and beeping at them serves no good at all.

Atlantic Dawn

Apoapsis Rex wrote: »

It's training them for the real world of driving! People do get beeped at. I'm doing them a favour. I usually beep a 2nd time just as they re start the car for some extra teaching.

Tomorrow stick an L plate on your car and drive as normal, you will see the abuse you get despite driving the same as normal.

On a side note I've noticed the standard of driving has gone to complete sheite in the lockdown, people jumping red lights, driving right up your hole, not waiting at junctions, reaction times of a dead person etc etc, people are either up to their gills on happy pills or have other things on their minds.

peasant

Sonics2k wrote: »

Okay, but in what possible way does beeping at said learner driver help?

It might just give them the idea to practice their hillstarts and general clutch control in a quiet area a bit more until they know what they are doing

KathleenGrant

A cnut.

Galwayguy35

peasant wrote: »

As it happens, I did my learning in an instructors car with dual controls and only after I passed my theoretical test...anything else would have been illegal.

As for beeping at learners, I beep at them as much or rather as little as I beep at everybody else. Everybody gets to make a mistake, L plate or not. Sure I make them myself, every now and then.
But my patience does have limits.

Do you drive a BMW by any chance?

antodeco

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Tomorrow stick an L plate on your car and drive as normal, you will see the abuse you get despite driving the same as normal.

On a side note I've noticed the standard of driving has gone to complete sheite in the lockdown, people jumping red lights, driving right up your hole, not waiting at junctions, reaction times of a dead person etc etc, people are either up to their gills on happy pills or have other things on their minds.

It's always been like that. Just with less traffic on the road, they are more "free" to be made aware of

Government buildings

Good professional drivers don't beep aggressively or offer ignorant hand signals or get angry with other drivers who make mistakes.

peasant

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Do you drive a BMW by any chance?

Haha ...no ..pretty much the exact opposite

YoshiReturns

I wonder will we be allowed to beep in self drive cars ? "Alexa, please beep that person in front."
"I can't do that Dave."

Feisar

peasant wrote: »

People who can't drive (yet) have no business being on the road.
Unless they are in a proper instructors car with dual controls, with an instructor who will eventually lend a helping foot if there is no progress being made.

Don't they just have a break and a clutch pedal? PLUS it'd hardly be wise to accelerate when someone else has the wheel.

Green Mile

I’ve been driving 15 odd years, I’ve never beep at anyone in my life.

peasant

peasant wrote: »

As it happens, I did my learning in an instructors car with dual controls and only after I passed my theoretical test...anything else would have been illegal.

As for beeping at learners, I beep at them as much or rather as little as I beep at everybody else. Everybody gets to make a mistake, L plate or not. Sure I make them myself, every now and then.
But my patience does have limits.

You do realise you can drive a car legally with a fully licensed driver?

I really don't understand that reasoning, a learner deserves more patience, as... they're learning.

Atlantic Dawn

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Tomorrow stick an L plate on your car and drive as normal, you will see the abuse you get despite driving the same as normal.

On a side note I've noticed the standard of driving has gone to complete sheite in the lockdown, people jumping red lights, driving right up your hole, not waiting at junctions, reaction times of a dead person etc etc, people are either up to their gills on happy pills or have other things on their minds.

I genuinely feel if I took them off I wouldn't be tailgated by every single jeep on the road.

peasant

Feisar wrote: »

Don't they just have a break and a clutch pedal? PLUS it'd hardly be wise to accelerate when someone else has the wheel.

Err no ...

They have all three pedals.
And legally speaking, in an instructor's car, the instructor is the legally responsible driver, steering wheel or not. They are the one with the licence. They also are the one to pay the bill if an accident happens.

At least that was the way when I did my driving licence nearly 40 years ago.

Paul Pogba

What if they’re beeping at the selfish clown in the passenger seat who has filled their brutally skilled offspring with false praise in their driving ability. Especially when you’ve sat behind them at a roundabout for ages without any other car approaching and multiple cut outs.

YoshiReturns

Green Mile wrote: »

I’ve been driving 15 odd years, I’ve never beep at anyone in my life.

I have beeped only to remind people that the light is green, but only if they haven't realised after a good few seconds. Also, if someone is about to hit me accidentally. No point in beeping someone who is going to hit me on purpose.

Edit

Also beeped animals sitting on the road or blocking the road. E.g..sheep in Co Kerry. Funnily enough never in another county. Hmmm

Never beeped the Healy Rae's either.

mikemac2

Some think they were granted a full licence by God himself and were never learners themselves.

And some of those were from a generation in 1979 which got licences in an amnesty :rolleyes:

peasant

Deleted User wrote: »

You do realise you can drive a car legally with a fully licensed driver?

I really don't understand that reasoning, a learner deserves more patience, as... they're learning.

Yes I do understand...but that doesn't mean that I have to agree or think it to be a good concept :pac:

Getting driving lessons from auntie Gertie who never drives further than the church or shops herself and who hasn't got a hope in hell of intervening other than with "good advice" to the learner and "indignant looks" at everybody else is just stupid and dangerous.

And when it reaches the point of well exceeding my normal amount of patience for other drivers, I beep.

simples really

con___manx1

Apoapsis Rex wrote: »

It's training them for the real world of driving! People do get beeped at. I'm doing them a favour. I usually beep a 2nd time just as they re start the car for some extra teaching.

When I was a learner I used to stick my fingers up at drivers like that. Then laugh.
Once I did it and this lad went ****in crazy shouting. I just nodded my head smiled and drove off.

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah yeah, I'm sure you were never a learner. You must have come out of the womb in a caravan ready to get on the road.

Some people didn’t learn on the road in a car.

A lot of people who grew up on farms would have been driving from a young age and were incredibly confident by the time they got out on the road.

Insanely when a 16 year old can drive a rig capable of nearly 60kmh and unlimited weight, they don’t need much training by the time they can drive a car

peasant

peasant wrote: »

People who can't drive (yet) have no business being on the road.
Unless they are in a proper instructors car with dual controls, with an instructor who will eventually lend a helping foot if there is no progress being made.

I drove around for years on a learner permit not a bother. Damn nerves kept getting in the way of me passing and then even applying for the test. Got there in the end.

suicide_circus

Green Mile wrote: »

I’ve been driving 15 odd years, I’ve never beep at anyone in my life.

you haven't lived

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime

Speedline wrote: »

It's a lousy thing to do. Some people can be right cnuts when they get behind the wheel. I bet they wouldn't roar at someone in Dunnes to get out of their way.

I would shout at a c,unt in dunnes for being in the way. Usually it's a couple of oulwans with trollies/buggies blocking up a whole aisle and not taking the hint to move. Absolute ignorance.


Wouldn't beep a learner though, if they conk it, I don't see how blowing a horn will start a car faster ? The learner already know they've conked it !

Antares35

peasant wrote: »

Yes I do understand...but that doesn't mean that I have to agree or think it to be a good concept :pac:

Getting driving lessons from auntie Gertie who never drives further than the church or shops herself and who hasn't got a hope in hell of intervening other than with "good advice" to the learner and "indignant looks" at everybody else is just stupid and dangerous.

And when it reaches the point of well exceeding my normal amount of patience for other drivers, I beep.

simples really

How much would it cost to fully learn to drive if one was paying an instructor all the time? The 12 mandatory EDT lessons hardly prepare someone to drive alone, so what do you suggest learners who've completed them do?

Beeping a learner will likely stress them out and they'll stall even more - how does that help the situation? I don't think anyone improves their driving by being beeped.

Antares35

con___manx1 wrote: »

When I was a learner I used to stick my fingers up at drivers like that. Then laugh.
Once I did it and this lad went ****in crazy shouting. I just nodded my head smiled and drove off.

I got out of the car to clarify the problem at one stage. Communication can be difficult when one can only beep/ beep back. Face to face it's much easier for the beeper to explain exactly what the issue is My dad was mortified.

peasant

Antares35 wrote: »

How much would it cost to fully learn to drive if one was paying an instructor all the time?

Back 40 years ago it cost me over 2000 Deutschmarks and I did it with minimum mandatory lessons.

My first car cost about 2500 if I remember correctly.



You can see, the massive expense still hurts 40 years later.
That's actually the real reason I beep at learner drivers ...cheapskate freeloaders, the lot of them :D:D

Antares35

peasant wrote: »

Back 40 years ago it cost me over 2000 Deutschmarks and I did it with minimum mandatory lessons.

My first car cost about 2500 if I remember correctly.

Well we aren't forty years ago.

Piollaire

My driving instructor said that he once got beeped out of it while giving a lesson. He got out of the car and threatened the guards on mr. horn, which quickly put an end to it.

I once beeped a car for pulling out without indicating - the dodgiest scumbag I ever saw stuck his head out the window and shouted abuse at me. I now reserve the horn for its intended purpose of accident avoidance.

NickNickleby

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Tomorrow stick an L plate on your car and drive as normal, you will see the abuse you get despite driving the same as normal.

Being unsure of the law on this, I sometimes drove the car having not taken down the L plates after my daughter's lesson (from Dad:pac::eek:). Yes the behaviour was appalling, especially driving up my rear end trying to speed me up, I never consciously exceed the speed limit, and generally would be on it or +/- 2kmh (as per the speedo).

I tend to keep these in mind, when driving :
a learner should not be made more nervous by any other driver;
the non learner who does something stupid in front of me, has probably been driving perfectly all week and this is a simple mistake. I've been guilty of a few myself.

Piollaire

Piollaire wrote: »

My driving instructor said that he once got beeped out of it while giving a lesson. He got out of the car and threatened the guards on mr. horn, which quickly put an end to it.

For beeping?

Jesus christ people would want to harden up

Nothing wrong with beeping a learner that needs beeping. They're meant to be learning, not collecting cuddles.

Piollaire

Deleted User wrote: »

For beeping?

Jesus christ people would want to harden up

Nothing wrong with beeping a learner that needs beeping. They're meant to be learning, not collecting cuddles.

Your lack of empathy for a frazzled learner means you may not have got enough cuddles as a child.

the beer revolu

When my mum was in her 70s or maybe 80's, she cut out at a junction and caused a load of beeping and anger (turned out that the car had an intermittent fault that took multiple works to diagnose fix). It just so happened that a good friend of mine was walking by. She fcuked the beeper out of it, calmed my mum down and got assistance.
Such a stroke of luck.

Beeping at anyone who's stalled/cut out is extremely stupid and, potentially nasty. In that situation, my mother was completely equipped for driving and handling a breakdown. What she wasn't equipped for was dealing with a total arse while she dealt with the stress of having a car break down at a junction.

jaxxx

I did it once on a desperately slow driver, but didn't realise it was a learner until after I beeped them. Felt awful after.

endacl

I always give learners a little ‘“”fail play, well done, go you, you’re doing great” toot.

Are we not supposed to? Loads of people did when I was learning. Have people become less friendly and supportive since?

Strumms

Deleted User wrote: »

For beeping?

Jesus christ people would want to harden up

Nothing wrong with beeping a learner that needs beeping. They're meant to be learning, not collecting cuddles.

I don’t agree there. I don’t believe the law would agree either.

You are supposed to use a horn to alert other drivers of your presence or in an emergency...not to ‘make them hurry’....that’s actually illegal.

We all had to learn, up to lesson three I was pretty crap, I was aggressively beeped (holding the horn) once on I think the second lesson for being a second or two slow taking off at the lights and my instructor fair fûcks got out of the car and gave this little midget behind the wheel of a skoda fabia a few choice words... it was funny as fûck if slightly unnerving too for a second..

Brave considering the car was plastered with A***a driving school decals... but he got me to pass first time..