National Hurling League 2021 discussion

Boom__Boom

I see sheep wrote: »

Mike Ashley hurling v Waterford has started at a decent pace, good effort not much quality so far

Lots of rustiness with severe lack of match sharpness - weather conditions not helping - similar to what I've seen in the other games. I'd imagine things will improve in a few weeks.

Oof the marking by Waterford for the Cork goal.

Boom__Boom

BENDYBINN wrote: »

Some great throw passes for that goal......

To me it seems the ratio of throws to legitimate hand passes is nuts. It's pretty much at the stage where it's noticeable when a clearly legitmate hand pass is made.

It's at the point where the powers-that-be might as well change the rules to allow blatant throws given the lack of enforcement by the refs.

blackcard

Boom__Boom wrote: »

To me it seems the ratio of throws to legitimate hand passes is nuts. It's pretty much at the stage where it's noticeable when a clearly legitmate hand pass is made.

It's at the point where the powers-that-be might as well change the rules to allow blatant throws given the lack of enforcement by the refs.

They should go the other way. Unless you can see clear distance between the hand and ball, presume it is a throw and give a free. There might be a few frees given for legitimate passes but players will learn that a pass has to be obvious

breezy1985

Did anyone else think they had switched on Camogie when they saw those all blue Clare kits

PeggyShippen

breezy1985 wrote: »

Rugby is going through the exact same changes and soul searching over dangerous play so cop on to yourself there now

God only knows what you'd have rugby looking like if you got your way. You'd have em all in Sumo suits and helmets.. listen there's plenty of people who agree with you. Youd prefer if it was non touch.. I prefer to see people getting flattened.

breezy1985

PeggyShippen wrote: »

God only knows what you'd have rugby looking like if you got your way. You'd have em all in Sumo suits and helmets.. listen there's plenty of people who agree with you. Youd prefer if it was non touch.. I prefer to see people getting flattened.

Where did I say what way I want rugby I never once lined out how I would like rugby.

But the people who run rugby (not me) have been changing rules and interpretations for quite a while now to combat dangerous play especially in breakdowns and tackles so much like hurling are trying to what you would probably call soft.

Tell me was it me or the rugby refs who keep sending off Aki and POM for all them hard tackles

Eoinbmw

breezy1985 wrote: »

Where did I say what way I want rugby I never once lined out how I would like rugby.

But the people who run rugby (not me) have been changing rules and interpretations for quite a while now to combat dangerous play especially in breakdowns and tackles so much like hurling are trying to what you would probably call soft.

Tell me was it me or the rugby refs who keep sending off Aki and POM for all them hard tackles

It not for hard tackles its for contact to the head!
They are trying to mitigate against concussions and brain damage which is not an issue in the GAA!

prishtinaboy99

Boom__Boom wrote: »

Lots of rustiness with severe lack of match sharpness - weather conditions not helping - similar to what I've seen in the other games. I'd imagine things will improve in a few weeks.

Oof the marking by Waterford for the Cork goal.

Waterford’s Championship 15 is fairly nailed on, God only knows what Corks will be and I’m not sure God knows either.

Rasputin11

https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/sport/631519/blow-for-laois-senior-hurlers-as-teenager-ruled-ineligible-for-2021.html#.YJfc3g70n7c.facebook

A bad day just got worse for Laois.

pajoguy

lim4ev wrote: »

I'm a limerick man but a hurling man first can limerick be cynical? Yes of course but lads the frees are killing the game I'm not going to argue the rights and wrongs of every decision but I would argue 50% of all frees are unnecessary it's not just in limerick games either plus the ball being so light no goals or goal mouth drama so many super talented teams servingupthis drivel. In fairness to the ref in the kilkenny match he let it run somewhat I'm not one of these guys that thinks unless a guy is killed that the whistle shouldn't be blown either just some of the frees are so soft its unnatural

I thought myself 3 or 4 of the frees tipp got just because the tipp man got bottled up by 3 or 4 limerick hurlers. Its puke hurling when limerick show this tenacity but hunger when Tipp or somebody else does it. The cats were cynical for years. Now that Limerick have a physical team and players cant break tackles as easy as they used to thats puke hurling and the game is in trouble.
Just like when kilkenny were on top, cork on top, tipp on top other teams just had to up the ante to get that level. The fact the team on top at the moment arent one of the holy trinity is grating on a few. Dont panic Limerick wont be on top forever..... Its the nature of the game. Nobody stays on top forever.

joebloggs32

formerlyET wrote: »

3. Foul teams in their half-back line where it's hard to score so we can reset and they can't flow.

They do it every game. If they keep getting away with it every team will do it. And we will have one terrible eyesore on our hands. It's a shame they have such terrible tactics with the players they have.

I believe we should bring in the new rule that camogie has but slightly modify it.

Allow all frees to be hit from the hand, but they must be an indirect free.
The team that gets the free can take it instantly, so not allowing a reset for the defending team.
Try to stop the quick free.....sin bin and ball moved up.

FintanMcluskey

“Cork like scoring goals”

Fascinating insight by Donal Og

big_drive

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

“Cork like scoring goals”

Fascinating insight by Donal Og

What's wrong with that? He was spot on. Anytime cork were winning all Irelands they'd players who went for goals as opposed to handy points. Last few years they've been missing that cutting edge

breezy1985

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

“Cork like scoring goals”

Fascinating insight by Donal Og

Maybe I'm biased here but I think Dowling is an excellent analyst. Played the game recently can speak well and have a bit of a laugh too.

I like Donal Of too in fairness and he is right Cork are one of the few teams at the moment who really have goals as a key part of the game plan

formerlyET

joebloggs32 wrote: »

I believe we should bring in the new rule that camogie has but slightly modify it.

Allow all frees to be hit from the hand, but they must be an indirect free.
The team that gets the free can take it instantly, so not allowing a reset for the defending team.
Try to stop the quick free.....sin bin and ball moved up.

Now, that would be worth a trial.

Rosita

big_drive wrote: »

What's wrong with that? He was spot on. Anytime cork were winning all Irelands they'd players who went for goals as opposed to handy points. Last few years they've been missing that cutting edge

Really? The last three All Ireland Finals that Cork won the scored a grand total of one goal in the three successful finals. They scored six goals in the draw and replay in 2013 and failed to win.

Stoolie

Promoted teams should be allowed to have all their league games at home . Would be beneficial for the likes of Antrim, Westmeath etc and help them in developing the game . Would be a great benefit for the local support also

Speakerboxx

Stoolie wrote: »

Promoted teams should be allowed to have all their league games at home . Would be beneficial for the likes of Antrim, Westmeath etc and help them in developing the game . Would be a great benefit for the local support also

How would that work? That would be an unfair advantage if one of those teams won it out.

breezy1985

Stoolie wrote: »

Promoted teams should be allowed to have all their league games at home . Would be beneficial for the likes of Antrim, Westmeath etc and help them in developing the game . Would be a great benefit for the local support also

What happens when they play each other

Stoolie

Speakerboxx wrote: »

How would that work? That would be an unfair advantage if one of those teams won it out.

What about if Antrim or Westmeath or Kerry or Down with it out ? Celebrate with and for them . Help them to improve, develop and promote the game

Stoolie

breezy1985 wrote: »

What happens when they play each other

Well . If that's the best criticism you can come up with , it must be worth progressing

Billy Ocean

breezy1985 wrote: »

Maybe I'm biased here but I think Dowling is an excellent analyst. Played the game recently can speak well and have a bit of a laugh too.

I like Donal Of too in fairness and he is right Cork are one of the few teams at the moment who really have goals as a key part of the game plan

I like Dowling too, taught he had a point on the Maor Faoirne, comes across as a decent fella in general.

washman3

Of all the games/highlights that were televised this weekend, not a single player was blown for a 'thrown handpass'.
Seems like this is not 'flavour of the month this season...
Superseded by 'the Joanne Cantwell rule' of no advantage.

washman3

Deiselurker wrote: »

The new advantage rule is a joke. Why did it need to be changed?

Most people forgetting that Joanne Cantwell and some Sunday Game pundits were continuously pushing for it over the last 2 seasons.
Well here it is folks.!!
Just like those that pushed for VAR in soccer. Look how that has turned out.:D

Billy Ocean

washman3 wrote: »

Most people forgetting that Joanne Cantwell and some Sunday Game pundits were continuously pushing for it over the last 2 seasons.
Well here it is folks.!!
Just like those that pushed for VAR in soccer. Look how that has turned out.:D

i don't remember a single person in media pushing for this change, the advantage rule prior to this year worked well, so well it wasn't even a talking point.

dobman88

When I saw a 2 hour programme I thought they must have highlights of the lower divisions too. But instead we get to see a load of waffle from presenter and pundits. Very disappointing.

Billy Ocean

dobman88 wrote: »

When I saw a 2 hour programme I thought they must have highlights of the lower divisions too. But instead we get to see a load of waffle from presenter and pundits. Very disappointing.

I'd agree like to see it go more of the Match of the Day route, same with the Sunday Game.

dobman88

Billy Ocean wrote: »

I'd agree like to see it go more of the Match of the Day route, same with the Sunday Game.

Yep. Less is more. TG4 do a good highlights show. All the games, no talk. Personally, I'd love no pundits or chat at all, even for live games I dont watch half time talk or anything, but I get that most people enjoy listening to the pundits. But yeah, definitely less of them and more action.

Billy Ocean

dobman88 wrote: »

Yep. Less is more. TG4 do a good highlights show. All the games, no talk. Personally, I'd love no pundits or chat at all, even for live games I dont watch half time talk or anything, but I get that most people enjoy listening to the pundits. But yeah, definitely less of them and more action.

I wouldn't be as pundit averse as yourself but the balance could be better, 3 2A games could have got some time this evening, Keith Higgins captaining the Mayo hurlers obviously could be interesting too.

dobman88

Billy Ocean wrote: »

I wouldn't be as pundit averse as yourself but the balance could be better, 3 2A games could have got some time this evening, Keith Higgins captaining the Mayo hurlers obviously could be interesting too.

That's what I was most surprised about tbh. That's a story imo and no coverage of the game.

breezy1985

dobman88 wrote: »

Yep. Less is more. TG4 do a good highlights show. All the games, no talk. Personally, I'd love no pundits or chat at all, even for live games I dont watch half time talk or anything, but I get that most people enjoy listening to the pundits. But yeah, definitely less of them and more action.

Well now we get the best of both. Sunday Game for people who like the talking and TG4 for those who dont.

breezy1985

washman3 wrote: »

Most people forgetting that Joanne Cantwell and some Sunday Game pundits were continuously pushing for it over the last 2 seasons.
Well here it is folks.!!
Just like those that pushed for VAR in soccer. Look how that has turned out.:D

No one pushed for the rule to be changed. I wasnt ever a talking point on the Sunday Game

JJs Left Hand

Billy Ocean wrote: »

I like Dowling too, taught he had a point on the Maor Faoirne, comes across as a decent fella in general.

I've only seen the clip on Twitter but if you're talking about his point on Maor Foirnes being iconic because it's the Rock, Kinnerk and Tommy Dunne it was pure ****e. Him and Donal Óg saying it's a football problem. For years now you've had runners specifically sent onto the field to distract and to appear to close up space. If the 15 lads on the field can't manage a game for the 17 minutes between water breaks or for 35 minutes when we're free of that scourge then they're at nothing.

Also, laughable from the two lads saying there's no diving when for years lads have been grabbing the hurl around their necks and pulling the defender down with them.

New advantage rule is terrible though.

Billy Ocean

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

I've only seen the clip on Twitter but if you're talking about his point on Maor Foirnes being iconic because it's the Rock, Kinnerk and Tommy Dunne it was pure ****e. Him and Donal Óg saying it's a football problem. For years now you've had runners specifically sent onto the field to distract and to appear to close up space. If the 15 lads on the field can't manage a game for the 17 minutes between water breaks or for 35 minutes when we're free of that scourge then they're at nothing.

Also, laughable from the two lads saying there's no diving when for years lads have been grabbing the hurl around their necks and pulling the defender down with them.

New advantage rule is terrible though.

if their interfering like that just clap down on it, send them to the stand and ban the individual's from the touchline for subsequent games. Who said anything about players not being able to manage games.

Anonymou

Not sure if it has already been mentioned but the division 1 league groups look quite lopsided in terms of strength;

Group A: Limerick, Tipp, Waterford, Galway, Cork, Westmeath
Group B: Wexford, KK, Antrim, Clare, Laois, Dublin

I know it is early days and you can't tell much yet but arguably 5 challengers for AI in one group and 1 in the other, just thought it was interesting to note.

breezy1985

Anonymou wrote: »

Not sure if it has already been mentioned but the division 1 league groups look quite lopsided in terms of strength;

Group A: Limerick, Tipp, Waterford, Galway, Cork, Westmeath
Group B: Wexford, KK, Antrim, Clare, Laois, Dublin

I know it is early days and you can't tell much yet but arguably 5 challengers for AI in one group and 1 in the other, just thought it was interesting to note.

Nice dig at Clare there

funkey_monkey

Anonymou wrote: »

Not sure if it has already been mentioned but the division 1 league groups look quite lopsided in terms of strength;

Group A: Limerick, Tipp, Waterford, Galway, Cork, Westmeath
Group B: Wexford, KK, Antrim, Clare, Laois, Dublin

I know it is early days and you can't tell much yet but arguably 5 challengers for AI in one group and 1 in the other, just thought it was interesting to note.

Surely Kilkenny have a chance for the AI as well as Antrim?

Billy Ocean

Listening to the hurling podcasts today the disadvantage rule seems to be received with as much enthusiasm as the European Super League was received in England.

PTH2009

Billy Ocean wrote: »

Listening to the hurling podcasts today the disadvantage rule seems to be received with as much enthusiasm as the European Super League was received in England.

Would listen to a few GAA podcasts and have to say Antony Dalys one is the more enjoyable ones around as are the GAA hour and The Throw in

The Backdoor Hurling podcast has great content and good discussions but by god they have some boring pundits and sound issues. One in particular has the most boring voice in Ireland and really sounds like he doesn't want to be doing it

Billy Ocean

PTH2009 wrote: »

Would listen to a few GAA podcasts and have to say Antony Dalys one is the more enjoyable ones around as are the GAA hour and The Throw in

The Backdoor Hurling podcast has great content and good discussions but by god they have some boring pundits and sound issues. One in particular has the most boring voice in Ireland and really sounds like he doesn't want to be doing it

Our Game with Shane Stapleton is very good too, yeah Dalo's pod has the perfect blend of analysis and comedy its very entertaining.

Slipperydodger

A good review of the first weekend of the league on the Dalo hurling show https://youtu.be/J8SsovrbuF4

PTH2009

Not a fan of either but hope Tipp beat Cork this weekend.

The Cork hype gone into overdrive after 1 win

dobman88

This could get a better response from people in here.

dobman88 wrote: »

Can someone explain the outrage over the advantage rule in hurling? It seemed to work well from what I could see overall. Especially the new rule on cynical fouls outside the penalty area leading to penalties. I only watched league Sunday but on more than a few occasions it was obvious to see lads stop themselves from a pull on the jersey or dragging a player down cynically. Seems lots of hurling fans not happy with the new rules but they looked good to me.

So could anyone shed any light on something I might seem to be missing?

JJs Left Hand

The issue is not with the cynical fouls around the 21 but the advantage rule and how its now enforced out the field. Up to now the ref could allow advantage for 5 seconds for the game to develop and see what happens but the new rule makes the free the advantage so they have to blow up once the foul is committed unless a clear scoring opportunity presents itself. I'm not 100% sure but it could actually be that it has to be a clear goal scoring opportunity available or they blow it up for the free.

Its just going to lead to constant stoppages in play. Tipp didn't score from play after the 23rd minute last weekend.

dobman88

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

The issue is not with the cynical fouls around the 21 but the advantage rule and how its now enforced out the field. Up to now the ref could allow advantage for 5 seconds for the game to develop and see what happens but the new rule makes the free the advantage so they have to blow up once the foul is committed unless a clear scoring opportunity presents itself. I'm not 100% sure but it could actually be that it has to be a clear goal scoring opportunity available or they blow it up for the free.

Ah. That actually makes sense. 1 instance I remember that Donal Og wasnt happy with in one game was a player being fouled, got a hand pass off to a team mate on the 45 lining up for a puck at the posts and was blown up.

So ref should maybe have played advantage there but by the new rules, he has to blow for the free?

prishtinaboy99

PTH2009 wrote: »

Not a fan of either but hope Tipp beat Cork this weekend.

The Cork hype gone into overdrive after 1 win

Maybe the anti-Cork hype but I think Cork folk don’t have that much Hope unless a few key positions get sortedand don’t think they will this year.DOG might bring something to the table but not sure how much influence he will have aa an Analyst.

breezy1985

PTH2009 wrote: »

Not a fan of either but hope Tipp beat Cork this weekend.

The Cork hype gone into overdrive after 1 win

Ah no let the hype roll on. Shure isn't Cork and anything Cork related the greatest thing to ever happen to humanity

Grats

Well, speaking of the Cork hype - Cusack got totally carried away with their win over Waterford. In some respects the win was welcome as Cusack had no whinging about the spare hand, over carrying and persistent fouling! He seemed to be so excited that all his usual moaning was gone, although there was plenty of incidents of throwing the ball etc.

With regards O'Grady, again Cusack got carried away especially when he said he did great work in Limerick during his short stint as manager there. He also credits him with inventing the short passing game. I'm sure neither would like to be reminded that Cody destroyed that tactic in 2006 and Cork are still in recovery.

Waterford scored 1.27 playing poorly. Cusack couldn't acknowledge that fact, perhaps O'Grady will.

breezy1985

Grats wrote: »

Well, speaking of the Cork hype - Cusack got totally carried away with their win over Waterford. In some respects the win was welcome as Cusack had no whinging about the spare hand, over carrying and persistent fouling! He seemed to be so excited that all his usual moaning was gone, although there was plenty of incidents of throwing the ball etc.

With regards O'Grady, again Cusack got carried away especially when he said he did great work in Limerick during his short stint as manager there. He also credits him with inventing the short passing game. I'm sure neither would like to be reminded that Cody destroyed that tactic in 2006 and Cork are still in recovery.

Waterford scored 1.27 playing poorly. Cusack couldn't acknowledge that fact, perhaps O'Grady will.

He did do great work with Limerick and he did if not invent he was certainly the first manager I remember that targeted possession over hoofing at puckouts

JJs Left Hand

dobman88 wrote: »

Ah. That actually makes sense. 1 instance I remember that Donal Og wasnt happy with in one game was a player being fouled, got a hand pass off to a team mate on the 45 lining up for a puck at the posts and was blown up.

So ref should maybe have played advantage there but by the new rules, he has to blow for the free?

In previous years he would've played advantage but under the new rules he has to blow for the free.