Seetec

Borrowed time

Unfortunately having to deal with this lot again,even thou I'm working Part time and looking for Full time employment.Refused to give them any personal info or sign anything after what they done the last time.Found my own job by my own accord with no help from them and somehow the found where I worked and harrased my employer for details to claim they found me the job.A private company who intimidates and bullies individuals.Anyone else been reintroduced to this lot for the second or third time?Any details or feelings welcome.

DaTown

What happened after you refused to sign with them?

Borrowed time

The usual stuff saying they would report me to Social Welfare and my Allowance would be deducted.I said I would engage with them but would not sign Personal Progression plan or anything else as I would be signing a Contract and then they would have the rite to do as they choose.You are not obliged to sign for a private company to process your personal details or give them to other relevant people they are dealing with IE companies who are looking for cheap labour.

DaTown

Thanks for the quick reply:)

Dempo1

Borrowed time wrote: »

Unfortunately having to deal with this lot again,even thou I'm working Part time and looking for Full time employment.Refused to give them any personal info or sign anything after what they done the last time.Found my own job by my own accord with no help from them and somehow the found where I worked and harrased my employer for details to claim they found me the job.A private company who intimidates and bullies individuals.Anyone else been reintroduced to this lot for the second or third time?Any details or feelings welcome.

This is outrageous but sadly nothing new, Turas Nua tried the same stunt with me a few years back. My employer actually wrote SW, made a formal complaint and got the data protection commissioner involved. A grovelling apology was submitted to me and seperatly to my employer.

Unfortunately, you have to play the long game and play along as SW Will stop or deduct your payment taking Seetac at their word.

I would strongly advise you to make a statement to SW about what happened previously, adhere to seetac"s requests and document everything, calls, sms, emails, I mean everything. Also do not be shy about emailing your local TD, both Seetac and Turas Nua are under the radar politically at present and I'm aware of numerous complaints from clients and politicians about disgraceful harassment and behaviour by both these odious private companies, one of which not even a registered Irish company. Good luck

Borrowed time

I appreciate your information.Yes think your correct,will have to play the long game.Today I am absolutely livid about it.Close to 50 and have worked the majority of my life and angry to see others living in my neighborhood who won't even get out of bed and receiving welfare all their lives.Depends on who you are dealing with in the SW,last time person was very helpful and even agreed that this should not be happening.The person I am dealing with at the moment is completely unintrested and seems to have an idea I am just trying to cause trouble.

Dempo1

Borrowed time wrote: »

I appreciate your information.Yes think your correct,will have to play the long game.Today I am absolutely livid about it.Close to 50 and have worked the majority of my life and angry to see others living in my neighborhood who won't even get out of bed and receiving welfare all their lives.Depends on who you are dealing with in the SW,last time person was very helpful and even agreed that this should not be happening.The person I am dealing with at the moment is completely unintrested and seems to have an idea I am just trying to cause trouble.

It is quite extraordinary that this program is still running, their offices are pretty much shut, both have actually let staff go, current communication is done via absurd weekly telephone calls, emails and bizzare home work. I've a neighbour in his early 60"s, plagued by Turas Nua, last week he learned how to send an email and I'm not kidding, worked his entire life in construction. Most bizzare is with current and previous lockdowns, WTF hiring.

Be patient but be cautious and an absolute pain in the Arse when it comes to documentation and communication with this shower. Good luck

Borrowed time

Just to let people know,when I was talking to the lady last week see kept trying to push the statement that she wasn't working for Seetec but for Cenit who are another company based in Maynooth.So this is who they are getting to do their dirty work for them!!. I kept replying "But you are still doing the work for Seetec" it just wouldn't register with her.Has anyone here actually had some off their Welfare deducted? Sorry for pushing this but something has to be done about it.

Dempo1

Borrowed time wrote: »

Just to let people know,when I was talking to the lady last week see kept trying to push the statement that she wasn't working for Seetec but for Cenit who are another company based in Maynooth.So this is who they are getting to do their dirty work for them!!. I kept replying "But you are still doing the work for Seetec" it just wouldn't register with her.Has anyone here actually had some off their Welfare deducted? Sorry for pushing this but something has to be done about it.

These are the people Seetac use for nonsensical training courses. They've absolutely nothing to do with any issues you may have with Seetac, I'm guessing you've been put forward for training of some sort by Seetac? I would be emailing Seetac seeking any clarifications on issues you have and or making contact with SW, again documenting all and any contact.

I reiterate SW will deduct /suspend your payment if Seetac make a statement you are not cooperating, so I advise you preempt this and speak to SW ASAP.

Borrowed time

I have been talking to another person that is dealing with the same situation and they too are been pushed by the person working for CENIT to find work and agree to a PPP.They want him to prove he has been looking for work by giving the details off who he has sent CV's to and returned emails from that company or employer.So it seems to me Cenit are involved in all aspects of it.Thanks for your info.

Dempo1

Borrowed time wrote: »

I have been talking to another person that is dealing with the same situation and they too are been pushed by the person working for CENIT to find work and agree to a PPP.They want him to prove he has been looking for work by giving the details off who he has sent CV's to and returned emails from that company or employer.So it seems to me Cenit are involved in all aspects of it.Thanks for your info.

I'd certainly be questioning why Cenit are asking any questions, whilst they partner with Seetac, I'm not at all sure they are authorised Jobs path entity, Seetac & Turas Nua, as far as I'm aware are the only direct jobs path provider's approved under this scheme. Cenit may offer an educational element but it certainly not clear why they would be enquiring if you are searching for work.

https://cenitcollege.ie/government/

Borrowed time

Well worded.Acording to the letter I received it states Your Employment Advisor will help you asses your skills, experience, challenges and work goals. You will be provided with a range of development supports including online modules, career advice, CV preparation and interview skills. You may also be referred to relevant, employment focused, training opportunities provided by Education Training Boards and others while on Jobpath. So yes this is what they are provided to do .So why the first time I talk to this person they approach it in a different manner is beyond me. Anyway I will take a cautious, polite persona and try to communicate in a manner which shows I am interested and willing to co operate. They also said they would send me information on my next meeting and all relevant details to help me while I am with them but I never received it.

LegacyUser

Dempo1 wrote: »

I'd certainly be questioning why Cenit are asking any questions, whilst they partner with Seetac, I'm not at all sure they are authorised Jobs path entity, Seetac & Turas Nua, as far as I'm aware are the only direct jobs path provider's approved under this scheme. Cenit may offer an educational element but it certainly not clear why they would be enquiring if you are searching for work.

https://cenitcollege.ie/government/

But if you click on the "Job Path" tab on that page (which does not generate a new URL), the text there suggests that Cenit is indeed providing the whole JobPath ‘service’ for Seetec in some geographic areas See also https://www.seetec.ie/insights/working-together-to-provide-a-positive-experience. Probably subcontracting like this lot https://skillsteamgroup.ie/jobpath/

Dempo1

JPCS wrote: »

But if you click on the "Job Path" tab on that page (which does not generate a new URL), the text there suggests that Cenit is indeed providing the whole JobPath ‘service’ for Seetec in some geographic areas See also https://www.seetec.ie/insights/working-together-to-provide-a-positive-experience. Probably subcontracting like this lot https://skillsteamgroup.ie/jobpath/

FOR, Seetac being the operative word, my concern is Cenit are NOT infact contracted to the SW department, in essence not authorised to be handling any data on clients. Whilst I can understand Turas Nua or Seetac contracting out educational matters, training, courses etc, I certainly believe it a very grey area a sun contractor checking if a client is looking for a job and more concerning having access to any information other than that required to do a course. If it were me, I'd be making enquiries and would absolutely not be sharing any information with an unauthorised 3rd party.

Borrowed time

Have a meeting again with this shower on Wednesday so will keep things updated then.Have had to deal with worse things in life but this really has me uneasy all weekend.Having to deal with this for a full year I feel will push me into a job I will hate.I know we all have to work but to take on something just for someone else's financial gain is just not rite.

Dempo1

Borrowed time wrote: »

Have a meeting again with this shower on Wednesday so will keep things updated then.Have had to deal with worse things in life but this really has me uneasy all weekend.Having to deal with this for a full year I feel will push me into a job I will hate.I know we all have to work but to take on something just for someone else's financial gain is just not rite.

I'm curious, is this a face to face meeting? I'm aware that because of Covid restrictions Turas Nua haven't been doing face to face meetings for months, infact most of their offices cleared out, closed. Anyone I've spoken do get a phone call or have to do assignments remotely. Not sure about how seetac have been operating during the pandemic but know alot of their offices closed also.

Borrowed time

Sorry, should have said phone call not face to face.

Dempo1

Borrowed time wrote: »

Sorry, should have said phone call not face to face.

Less painful albeit beyond absurd. Just take note of everything, good luck

Sephiroth_dude

How long do you be on the phone to them ? and what kind of nonsense are they spouting these days?

Borrowed time

Will let you know later,have phone call this afternoon.She will hit me with everything as she wasn't prepared for my thoughts the last time.

Thecageyone

I can't believe Seetec are still hounding people during a pandemic, a new low. We have the Taoiseach urging employers NOT to pressure people back to work yet this shower are pushing people to go hunt. I'd ask them for a list of available work that might be suitable to you for the days you don't already work.

Dempo1

Thecageyone wrote: »

I can't believe Seetec are still hounding people during a pandemic, a new low. We have the Taoiseach urging employers NOT to pressure people back to work yet this shower are pushing people to go hunt. I'd ask them for a list of available work that might be suitable to you for the days you don't already work.

Yep it's ongoing but the farcical nature of what they and Turas Nua are doing for the past 9 months is just astonishing, basically weekly, bi weekly absurd phone calls, home work, assignments etc as face to face meetings not permitted, most of their offices have closed and been cleared out and lots of their own staff let go. It just amazes me Government permitting this nonsense to continue. Thankfully I've nothing to do with either of this awful private companies, I did in the past but have some neighbours in their early 60"s being plagued weekly and some of the carry on would be tolerated in a crèche.

Thecageyone

Dempo1 wrote: »

Yep it's ongoing but the farcical nature of what they and Turas Nua are doing for the past 9 months is just astonishing, basically weekly, bi weekly absurd phone calls, home work, assignments etc as face to face meetings not permitted, most of their offices have closed and been cleared out and lots of their own staff let go. It just amazes me Government permitting this nonsense to continue. Thankfully I've nothing to do with either of this awful private companies, I did in the past but have some neighbours in their early 60"s being plagued weekly and some of the carry on would be tolerated in a crèche.

There has to be a case for harrasment for anyone plagued by these crowds? Especially those already working part time.

I had to attend weekly meetings for almost 2 years, I was doing courses at the time, which included a lot of work experience. Most meetings were, 'hey how are you? still on the course? great, we'll just get you to sit here at this PC doing bugger all for an hour then you're done " ... was ridiculous. In the end I found part time work outside of anything they suggested, got it through the work experience and next thing i knew I was finished with Seetec - they had zero claim on the job I was offered and they knew it. It was LMETB courses I completed and I don't think they look kindly on Seetec or anyone else poaching claims on jobs people got via their courses.

If they do come back, as I am still only working part time, I will do precisely as I suggested above, tell them to find me something suitable for the days I'm off and I'll be happy to listen, I have specific training for a specific role and they cannot force you to seek employment in areas you are not trained for. If push came to shove I'd survive on the 3 days work I do, what the social give me besides is peanuts and I'd rather work for the same amount as full JS than answer to them

Dempo1

Thecageyone wrote: »

There has to be a case for harrasment for anyone plagued by these crowds? Especially those already working part time.

I had to attend weekly meetings for almost 2 years, I was doing courses at the time, which included a lot of work experience. Most meetings were, 'hey how are you? still on the course? great, we'll just get you to sit here at this PC doing bugger all for an hour then you're done " ... was ridiculous. In the end I found part time work outside of anything they suggested, got it through the work experience and next thing i knew I was finished with Seetec - they had zero claim on the job I was offered and they knew it. It was LMETB courses I completed and I don't think they look kindly on Seetec or anyone else poaching claims on jobs people got via their courses.

If they do come back, as I am still only working part time, I will do precisely as I suggested above, tell them to find me something suitable for the days I'm off and I'll be happy to listen, I have specific training for a specific role and they cannot force you to seek employment in areas you are not trained for. If push came to shove I'd survive on the 3 days work I do, what the social give me besides is peanuts and I'd rather work for the same amount as full JS than answer to them

There's been countless cases of harassment and complaints which led to numerous very public rumblings in the Dail, also enquiries into the inordinate sums of money thrown at these two companies, well over €100 million at this stage, last time I checked barely 12% success rate and even that was only allowing for 12 months full employment. The scheme was to be cancelled but got a year's extension, ending sometime late 2021 but hard to know what government will come up with next. A number of high profile TD"s and the Dail public accounts committee have these two companies in their sights and I recommend anyone with diffulties to contact them ASAP. I personally lodged a detailed successful complaint including data breach concerns, I'm unable to discuss but just let's say they wouldn't be keen if I was ever referred again

Borrowed time

Ok phone call.Differnt approach today.Was only 10 mins and seemed to be in agreement with some of the issues and points I put to them two weeks ago.Have to think about it for a while.Agreed that Seetec used companies such as Meat factories to push in my opinion Slave Labour.Another well known Landscaping company was brought up in conversation.

Borrowed time

I told the lady I was dealing with what I was interested in pursuing in relation to training and courses and what I would like to achieve by the end of it.I am still very warey of the whole process but we will have to wait and see.I have had to deal with this before and they have a tendency to butter you up before they loose the cool because you are not taking the jobs they are want you to apply for.Hoping to have found something sooner than later so I can avoid all this.

Sephiroth_dude

Borrowed time wrote: »

I told the lady I was dealing with what I was interested in pursuing in relation to training and courses and what I would like to achieve by the end of it.I am still very warey of the whole process but we will have to wait and see.I have had to deal with this before and they have a tendency to butter you up before they loose the cool because you are not taking the jobs they are want you to apply for.Hoping to have found something sooner than later so I can avoid all this.

When is your next call with them ? How are you suppose to do courses in the times we live in ? at home is it ? their "courses" are stupid anyway.

Borrowed time

Who ya telling, next they will have us writing an essay on how we will find a job.And if we don't do that LINES "I must do what I am told"

UDAWINNER

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

When is your next call with them ? How are you suppose to do courses in the times we live in ? at home is it ? their "courses" are stupid anyway.

I'd imagine there online via teams, etc

DaTown

Borrowed time wrote: »

Who ya telling, next they will have us writing an essay on how we will find a job.And if we don't do that LINES "I must do what I am told"

Did you sign the PPP contract this time or give them the slip? 

Murdoc90

Don't be afraid to go straight to intreo if they're threatening using them against you in anything, just to double check. From my experience the people in intreo have no time for Seetec and how they operate. Was with Seetec a few years ago and was looking to go back to education, Seetec were telling me I wouldn't be allowed by social welfare and that a qualification is just a piece of paper? :P I went to social welfare and they said it wouldn't be a problem. Blatant lies! they're sneaky f*cks. Always go over their heads, Intreo have more power and are alot fairer. Can't see it being a problem if you have a part time job and seeking further employment!

endacl

Borrowed time wrote: »

Who ya telling, next they will have us writing an essay on how we will find a job.And if we don't do that LINES "I must do what I am told"

Tell them you’re dyslexic and they’ll have to provide a scribe. They’d be required to provide ‘reasonable accommodations’!

DeadString

I have a phone call/meeting with Seetec this week. I thought this scam was wound up
surely its not fit for purpose? I wont be signing any contract with them as its patently illegal.
I will have to agree and engage with them as its mandatory or have payments cut.

Living alone, long term unemployed in the midst of a pandemic, I need mental health advise not harassment by this crowd.

Borrowed time

Let us know how you get on and try not loose the cool with them like I did the first day.Ask the person on the phone who they are working for CENIT etc etc as Seetec are getting other training companies to do their dirty work.

BingCrosbee

Borrowed time wrote: »

Unfortunately having to deal with this lot again,even thou I'm working Part time and looking for Full time employment.Refused to give them any personal info or sign anything after what they done the last time.Found my own job by my own accord with no help from them and somehow the found where I worked and harrased my employer for details to claim they found me the job.A private company who intimidates and bullies individuals.Anyone else been reintroduced to this lot for the second or third time?Any details or feelings welcome.

Not true. They are a great service and there for you when you needed them.

BingCrosbee

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

When is your next call with them ? How are you suppose to do courses in the times we live in ? at home is it ? their "courses" are stupid anyway.

No they are not. They have your best interests at stake.

BingCrosbee

Borrowed time wrote: »

Let us know how you get on and try not loose the cool with them like I did the first day.Ask the person on the phone who they are working for CENIT etc etc as Seetec are getting other training companies to do their dirty work.

Your attitude is the problem, not SEETEC, they are not engaged in dirty work.

BingCrosbee

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

When is your next call with them ? How are you suppose to do courses in the times we live in ? at home is it ? their "courses" are stupid anyway.

No they are not. They have your best interests at stake.

BingCrosbee

Borrowed time wrote: »

Unfortunately having to deal with this lot again,even thou I'm working Part time and looking for Full time employment.Refused to give them any personal info or sign anything after what they done the last time.Found my own job by my own accord with no help from them and somehow the found where I worked and harrased my employer for details to claim they found me the job.A private company who intimidates and bullies individuals.Anyone else been reintroduced to this lot for the second or third time?Any details or feelings welcome.

Not true. They are a great service and there for you when you needed them.

refusetolose

BingCrosbee wrote: »

No they are not. They have your best interests at stake.

like any other private company,they have their own best interests at stake , that is to make moola and loads of it

Dempo1

BingCrosbee wrote: »

Not true. They are a great service and there for you when you needed them.

Have or do you work for this shower? How you come to this conclusion is mystifying, hard to know we're to begin so I won't but I can absolutely assure you they are NOT a great service and are certainly not there when needed.

Google search Seetac, Turas Nua complaints, harassment, Public accounts committee, you'll get all the answers you require on this charade known as Jobs Path.

Dempo1

BingCrosbee wrote: »

Your attitude is the problem, not SEETEC, they are not engaged in dirty work.

Seetac & Turas Nua are engaged in only one thing, FEE'S and will stop at nothing to achieve same. I've been down the road, I've successfully lodged complaints as have my employer, I've also successfully made referrals to the DPC and recieved grovelling apologies for quite disgraceful and appalling behaviour. I'm just astonished either are still actually functioning albeit both have pretty much closed their offices and let lots of staff go, how Ironic that it is.

Borrowed time

My attitude is fine.I will cope with something I don't believe to be correct, but for many when they are under so much pressure ,what this company does is just not helping.You have your opinion,I have mine.You don't have to justify anything Dempco,your input has been helpful and we'll thought out.Infact we could do with more posters like yourself.

Dempo1

Borrowed time wrote: »

My attitude is fine.I will cope with something I don't believe to be correct, but for many when they are under so much pressure ,what this company does is just not helping.You have your opinion,I have mine.You don't have to justify anything Dempco,your input has been helpful and we'll thought out.Infact we could do with more posters like yourself.

You'll always get single posts baiting a reaction from those who've limited knowledge of the subject matter of a thread, I've no issue refuting nonsense

Cherry Blossom

BingCrosbee wrote: »

No they are not. They have your best interests at stake.

At my last appointment the lady typed in to the computer that I had done courses in building self confidence, communication and interview skills. These were areas I had identified myself that I need help in. I pointed out to her that I hadn’t done any courses and this was bull. She said never mind that, it’s a note for our own records. I should have been on disability allowance the whole time anyway. I had outlined my personal circumstances to them several times and they never once suggested I was on the wrong payment. Two minutes into a similar conversation with a case officer had her giving me forms for DA and telling me what to include in the application. Job path was at best a massive, massive waste of my time.

Borrowed time

Baiting,now you have it.Anyway back to the main topic.I would love to see an employer who is been subject to phone call after phone call taking things further.Even thou this crowd have been taken to court by individuals how is this still going on.Brown envelopes being passed around somewhere.

Dempo1

Borrowed time wrote: »

Baiting,now you have it.Anyway back to the main topic.I would love to see an employer who is been subject to phone call after phone call taking things further.Even thou this crowd have been taken to court by individuals how is this still going on.Brown envelopes being passed around somewhere.

It's not about brown envelopes as such, numerous cases of clients actually in jobs (Claiming reduced hours) or who've found jobs through their own efforts. The model that these two companies work off is Fee's are only payable if They assist in getting a job or the client signs off SW, They will go too extraordinary lengths to claim credit but need either the client or employer to sign off, SW will only pay fee if these companies succeed in placing someone in a position, they get no fee if they didn't. I know from my own experience, they chose the wrong employer to harass and it cost one of these shower dearly.

Other fees are mainly admin fees and require specific interactions, they also get over head costs, staffing, equipment etc and some of their offices are actually in government buildings so I assume substantial rent reductions or none at all.

In essence, Government have spent in excess of €100 million to 2 private recruitment agencies one not even incorporated in Ireland but is ultimately controlled by FRS, so they can essentially hire staff and run large offices which I've no doubt, Jobs Path is only a fraction of what goes on from these offices. A successs rate of 12% I believe and only covering employment of 12 months.

I just don't get it and more extraordinary is they've essentially had a fraction of staff working from home plaguing people weekly over the phone along with the fact who's actually been hiring for the past 12 months.

BingCrosbee

refusetolose wrote: »

like any other private company,they have their own best interests at stake , that is to make moola and loads of it

The modus operandi of all businesses is to make money and they provide a great service in doing so.

BingCrosbee

Dempo1 wrote: »

Have or do you work for this shower? How you come to this conclusion is mystifying, hard to know we're to begin so I won't but I can absolutely assure you they are NOT a great service and are certainly not there when needed.

Google search Seetac, Turas Nua complaints, harassment, Public accounts committee, you'll get all the answers you require on this charade known as Jobs Path.

I bet you collected the money each week though. If you don’t agree, resign from JOBPATH and don’t have anything to do with SEETEC and don’t collect you’re 203 euro. Get a job on your own so and stop being a burden on the taxpayer and let us all know how you get on.

BingCrosbee

Dempo1 wrote: »

Seetac & Turas Nua are engaged in only one thing, FEE'S and will stop at nothing to achieve same. I've been down the road, I've successfully lodged complaints as have my employer, I've also successfully made referrals to the DPC and recieved grovelling apologies for quite disgraceful and appalling behaviour. I'm just astonished either are still actually functioning albeit both have pretty much closed their offices and let lots of staff go, how Ironic that it is.

Don’t believe you.

BingCrosbee

Dempo1 wrote: »

You'll always get single posts baiting a reaction from those who've limited knowledge of the subject matter of a thread, I've no issue refuting nonsense

I have a lot of experience involving SEETEC and I am very respectful of people on JOBPATH and understand the personal issues people have going through life. I am not judgemental and know that SEETEC by and large are on their clients side. Their staff are wonderful and very respectful from my experience.