Rant

Chris_5339762

Sorry for the rant in advance.


Thank you very much to the farmer who, this morning decided to start up a crow banger in the field next to us. 730am on Easter Sunday morning. Thats the height of absolute "I couldn't care less about anyone else". The cynical part of me says that it was done today because there is no-one to complain to.


Every 30 seconds, BANG. FFS. And the crows aren't going anywhere.



Legally I know there is nothing I can do. Guards won't give a hoot, the EPA will say its a county council matter and the county council will say its an EPA matter. The field is rented by the owner so who knows who actually put the crow banger there.



Hopefully it'll be gone in a few days but c'mon. Easter Sunday.

Donald Trump

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Sorry for the rant in advance.


Thank you very much to the farmer who, this morning decided to start up a crow banger in the field next to us. 730am on Easter Sunday morning. Thats the height of absolute "I couldn't care less about anyone else". The cynical part of me says that it was done today because there is no-one to complain to.


Every 30 seconds, BANG. FFS. And the crows aren't going anywhere.



Legally I know there is nothing I can do. Guards won't give a hoot, the EPA will say its a county council matter and the county council will say its an EPA matter. The field is rented by the owner so who knows who actually put the crow banger there.



Hopefully it'll be gone in a few days but c'mon. Easter Sunday.

Half 7. No excuse for that.







I mean if it had been 2019, he could have blamed being out on the beer the night before. But 2021 - maybe the lazy fecker just slept in.

TooOldBoots

have a look at this https://www.threshold.ie/assets/files/pdf/noiseregs.pdf
Basically you need to talk to him about it first, then if he doesn't do something about it skip the EPA and go directly to the district court. If you win your case you can then sue him for damages after. So put a price on your lack of sleep, ruined Easter weekend etc the more the better, you could take him out for north of 10k easily enough.

Donald Trump

TooOldBoots wrote: »

have a look at this https://www.threshold.ie/assets/files/pdf/noiseregs.pdf
Basically you need to talk to him about it first, then if he doesn't do something about it skip the EPA and go directly to the district court. If you win your case you can then sue him for damages after. So put a price on your lack of sleep, ruined Easter weekend etc the more the better, you could take him out for north of 10k easily enough.

It's hardly justification for a shake down now is it? One morning. At a reasonable time. If it was running overnight for weeks then he'd have a point. The pigeons would be long out by half seven. The man is only trying to grow his crop. Plenty of people moan about trying to buy local food.


People shouldn't move into a rural area if they don't like rural noises or smells etc.

richie123

Donald Trump wrote: »

It's hardly justification for a shake down now is it? One morning. At a reasonable time. If it was running overnight for weeks then he'd have a point. The pigeons would be long out by half seven. The man is only trying to grow his crop. Plenty of people moan about trying to buy local food.


People shouldn't move into a rural area if they don't like rural noises or smells etc.

Doubt its every 30 seconds ...I've a crow banger and its impossible set it to less than 10 minutes

Unfortunately the farmer probably has no choice..a lot of damage can be done if something isn't done.

Markcheese

Pigeons don't do early mornings - or weekends actually- they're a strictly 9 to 5 bird...
Crows though are more diligent - early starts - bank holiday weekends no bother to a crow ... Always hustling -
In saying that if the banger Is right next to your house - and going off constantly - it could well get on your tits -
It shouldn't be for much longer - once the seedlings are above a certain size the crowd won't bother anymore -

Donald Trump

Markcheese wrote: »

Pigeons don't do early mornings - or weekends actually- they're a strictly 9 to 5 bird...
Crows though are more diligent - early starts - bank holiday weekends no bother to a crow ... Always hustling -
In saying that if the banger Is right next to your house - and going off constantly - it could well get on your tits -
It shouldn't be for much longer - once the seedlings are above a certain size the crowd won't bother anymore -

Yeah, it would only be for a few weeks.

TooOldBoots

Donald Trump wrote: »

It's hardly justification for a shake down now is it? One morning. At a reasonable time. If it was running overnight for weeks then he'd have a point. The pigeons would be long out by half seven. The man is only trying to grow his crop. Plenty of people moan about trying to buy local food.


People shouldn't move into a rural area if they don't like rural noises or smells etc.

This is an artificial sound, well over ambient levels. I suggested the OP talk to the farmer first, any reasonable man would not want to have something causing a stress on other people. If they can't see that, a judge will soon enlighten them.
As for people living in rural areas, it's a free country the last time I checked. The countryside is not the sole preserve of just the farmers. There are more non farming folk liking in rural areas than farmers, you'd do well to remember that.

tanko

One of those stupid things was installed 200 yards from a house near me where a couple had two babies and a toddler. It didn't function for very long.

Donald Trump

TooOldBoots wrote: »

This is an artificial sound, well over ambient levels. I suggested the OP talk to the farmer first, any reasonable man would not want to have something causing a stress on other people. If they can't see that, a judge will soon enlighten them.
As for people living in rural areas, it's a free country the last time I checked. The countryside is not the sole preserve of just the farmers. There are more non farming folk liking in rural areas than farmers, you'd do well to remember that.

Yeah it's a free country. But don't buy a house beside the airport and expect to garner a lot of support if you then turn around when you are surprised to find that you can hear airplanes after moving in - and you decide that you want to have a campaign to close it! Don't buy an apartment in Templebar and be surprised when you find out that the local businesses stay open past 8pm.



It was one morning. Man was woken up at 7:30pm. And people are advising him to take the farmer to court to get a handy 10k. The farmer might be breaking his balls for the guts of a year to try to have that in his pocket.



7:30am is a reasonable time. And it would only be for a few weeks. He can learn to put up with it. It's probably a little bang every 20 or 30 minutes.

TooOldBoots

Donald Trump wrote: »

Yeah it's a free country. But don't buy a house beside the airport and expect to garner a lot of support if you then turn around when you are surprised to find that you can hear airplanes after moving in - and you decide that you want to have a campaign to close it! Don't buy an apartment in Templebar and be surprised when you find out that the local businesses stay open past 8pm.



It was one morning. Man was woken up at 7:30pm. And people are advising him to take the farmer to court to get a handy 10k. The farmer might be breaking his balls for the guts of a year to try to have that in his pocket.



7:30am is a reasonable time. And it would only be for a few weeks. He can learn to put up with it. It's probably a little bang every 20 or 30 minutes.

There's never a reasonable time to be putting other folk under such stress, and to think different is just an ignorant mans view.
As I said, try to speak with the farmer first, a reasonable man would not do this to other people, If he will not be reasonable take him to court and let him learn an expensive lesson.
If you live beside an Airport then you have triple glazed windows and more than likely the house is not on flight paths. As an aside residents have taken action against airports in the past and won their case.
Try putting a crow banger up in an apartment block and see how well you get on there, you'll find yourself on the wrong side of a lot of people who may not bother with the courts to sort you out.
Plenty people living in the countryside who are second, third and fourth generation and not farmers. Countryside is full of one off houses built on sites that farmers cashed in from. You seem to have a hatred for those people which is not good

Tileman

Half 7 is not a reasonable hour. Just because u might be an early bird usual rules for any noise including construction is not before 8 and after 6 and none on sundays.

I’m a farmer myself but that’s not on. You have to think of others too. Would be different if it was a few shots but a crow banger is fair annoying and it is Easter Sunday.

Mimon

richie123 wrote: »

Doubt its every 30 seconds ...I've a crow banger and its impossible set it to less than 10 minutes

Unfortunately the farmer probably has no choice..a lot of damage can be done if something isn't done.

So he can't come up with a solution that impinges on other peoples rights but bulls ahead anyway?

Nah, he has a right to come up with a solution but zero rights to one that makes life impossible for someone else.

Me feiner with lack of imagination and effort, feck him.

Mimon

Donald Trump wrote: »

Yeah it's a free country. But don't buy a house beside the airport and expect to garner a lot of support if you then turn around when you are surprised to find that you can hear airplanes after moving in - and you decide that you want to have a campaign to close it! Don't buy an apartment in Templebar and be surprised when you find out that the local businesses stay open past 8pm.



It was one morning. Man was woken up at 7:30pm. And people are advising him to take the farmer to court to get a handy 10k. The farmer might be breaking his balls for the guts of a year to try to have that in his pocket.



7:30am is a reasonable time. And it would only be for a few weeks. He can learn to put up with it. It's probably a little bang every 20 or 30 minutes.

Where do you live? Great opportunity to do a crowdfund and have a few of them installed at your property boundary as an experiment to see do you change your opinion.

Stihl waters

It's a bit of a shìtty thing to do on a Sunday of a bank holiday weekend, anyone that thought that's acceptable has either zero cop on or is a bit of an arse hole, he could have delayed it a couple of days, if this was the first morning it's a dickish thing to do

lab man

Stihl waters wrote: »

It's a bit of a shìtty thing to do on a Sunday of a bank holiday weekend, anyone that thought that's acceptable has either zero cop on or is a bit of an arse hole, he could have delayed it a couple of days, if this was the first morning it's a dickish thing to do

Do u think the birds know it's a sunday think about that when your buying your milk and cereal for your breakfast you can then think the grass to make milk was grown between 8 am and 6 pm get with it the op is in the countryside that farmer was probably up since 5

Dinzee Conlee

TooOldBoots wrote: »

There's never a reasonable time to be putting other folk under such stress, and to think different is just an ignorant mans view.
As I said, try to speak with the farmer first, a reasonable man would not do this to other people, If he will not be reasonable take him to court and let him learn an expensive lesson.
If you live beside an Airport then you have triple glazed windows and more than likely the house is not on flight paths. As an aside residents have taken action against airports in the past and won their case.
Try putting a crow banger up in an apartment block and see how well you get on there, you'll find yourself on the wrong side of a lot of people who may not bother with the courts to sort you out.
Plenty people living in the countryside who are second, third and fourth generation and not farmers. Countryside is full of one off houses built on sites that farmers cashed in from. You seem to have a hatred for those people which is not good

What’s your definition of reasonable in this case Two?

What’s a reasonable way of keeping vermin away from the crop? What if the farmer has tried other options to keep crows away, but no good?

Those crow bangers are annoying, but I guess that’s the idea of them...
As far as I know, they aren’t illegal?

I must say I don’t like the idea of people objecting to farming jobs if they don’t like the noise or smells...
Someone posted up a video a while back from the uk, of a lad mowing a field at 10pm and a load of residents out giving out that it was too late for such work...
That’s ridiculous - and I wouldn’t like to see the same happen here...

OP - I would say talk to the farmer, and see what can be done...

Stihl waters

lab man wrote: »

Do u think the birds know it's a sunday think about that when your buying your milk and cereal for your breakfast you can then think the grass to make milk was grown between 8 am and 6 pm get with it the op is in the countryside that farmer was probably up since 5

I love this line of thought, I took it from the op that this was the first morning, if it was then it was a prick of a thing to do, it could have waited until tomorrow morning, I doubt the number of birds massively increased in the last day or 2 to warrant setting a banger up of a Sunday morning, oh and btw I'm a farmer also and farmers trotting out the same old nonsense about milk and cereal and working all hours is only giving the likes of you a superiority complex, there's none of us superheroes producing manna from heaven, it's a job, get over it

Chris_5339762

richie123 wrote: »

Doubt its every 30 seconds ...I've a crow banger and its impossible set it to less than 10 minutes

Unfortunately the farmer probably has no choice..a lot of damage can be done if something isn't done.

It is I'm afraid. I've counted it. Every 30 seconds from 730am (when it first woke me up) until about 11am when it stopped. So its on a timer.


Its not the end of the world but 730am on Easter Sunday (with a sick parent in the house) is the height of dickishness. I wouldn't start a petrol chainsaw at 730am on Easter Sunday.

Chris_5339762

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

It is I'm afraid. I've counted it. Every 30 seconds from 730am (when it first woke me up) until about 11am when it stopped. So its on a timer.


Its not the end of the world but 730am on Easter Sunday (with a sick parent in the house) is the height of dickishness. I wouldn't start a petrol chainsaw at 730am on Easter Sunday.

If its going off every 30 seconds,id just go out and disconnect it tbh

PCeeeee

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

It is I'm afraid. I've counted it. Every 30 seconds from 730am (when it first woke me up) until about 11am when it stopped. So its on a timer.


Its not the end of the world but 730am on Easter Sunday (with a sick parent in the house) is the height of dickishness. I wouldn't start a petrol chainsaw at 730am on Easter Sunday.

Where do you live?

Mimon

lab man wrote: »

Do u think the birds know it's a sunday think about that when your buying your milk and cereal for your breakfast you can then think the grass to make milk was grown between 8 am and 6 pm get with it the op is in the countryside that farmer was probably up since 5

His rights to keep his crops/grass safe doesn't supersede other peoples rights to reasonable right to peace and quiet. Selfish to think otherwise.

Maybe people in the house are up earlier than the farmer most mornings to get to work and they have a right to sleep longer on their days off.

Farmers don't have a monopoly on being be up early and working hard. Strawman argument

Waffletraktor

Mimon wrote: »

His rights to keep his crops/grass safe doesn't supersede other peoples rights to reasonable right to peace and quiet. Selfish to think otherwise.

Maybe people in the house are up earlier than the farmer most mornings to get to work and they have a right to sleep longer on their days off.

Farmers don't have a monopoly on being be up early and working hard. Strawman argument

If he wanted to piss the neighbours off you tip a large grain bucket over on top, reminiscent of an early 20th century high calibre naval gun. Unfortunately pidgeons don’t get grazing crops or crows peckin out seeds to the same times as construction regs.

You don't want a crow banger to end like this.

Was an expensive lesson for both of them

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30876450.html%3ftype=amp

ruwithme

Only some weeks back i posted on the forum about a old crow banger here from years past that still works if ever needed.

I do take her out of the shed once every few years,usually after dark & see if she's still firing.

In the dead of night,there's some crack off her.every dog in the wider area hears it for sure.

It's the mischief in me i suppose has me doing it in the dead of night. The dogs firing up after the 1st bang gives me a good laugh anyway.

No i don't leave her banging all night. Just a couple of goes.(maybe 3)due to be done again some night soon.

Mimon

ruwithme wrote: »

Only some weeks back i posted on the forum about a old crow banger here from years past that still works if ever needed.

I do take her out of the shed once every few years,usually after dark & see if she's still firing.

In the dead of night,there's some crack off her.every dog in the wider area hears it for sure.

It's the mischief in me i suppose has me doing it in the dead of night. The dogs firing up after the 1st bang gives me a good laugh anyway.

No i don't leave her banging all night. Just a couple of goes.(maybe 3)due to be done again some night soon.

Hilarious, imagine your neighbours all speculating about aul rurithme trying to relive his old war experiences or somesuch.

TooOldBoots

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

What’s your definition of reasonable in this case Two?

What’s a reasonable way of keeping vermin away from the crop? What if the farmer has tried other options to keep crows away, but no good?

Those crow bangers are annoying, but I guess that’s the idea of them...
As far as I know, they aren’t illegal?

I must say I don’t like the idea of people objecting to farming jobs if they don’t like the noise or smells...
Someone posted up a video a while back from the uk, of a lad mowing a field at 10pm and a load of residents out giving out that it was too late for such work...
That’s ridiculous - and I wouldn’t like to see the same happen here...

OP - I would say talk to the farmer, and see what can be done...

If his only option is to torment people with a crow banger then he would be better off finding something else to do. No one has the right to torment people.
Why should anyone put up with noise or smells? It's a form of pollution. Industry has had to clean up it's act over the years, do you think it would be tolerated if a factory was pumping out bad odour and noise? Why bother putting on a silencer on a lorry so.
If you think it's legal to have a nuisance noise or smell then you need to get some Education for yourself.

Bass Reeves

If it was going off that often it probably ran out of gas. More than likely he did not have a full bottle of gas in it. Unlikely he set it to go off that often. There is a light sensor on it that turns it on. However you can usually set a dawn delay of up to 2-3 hours.
He may have set it up wrong. As well maybe ask him to set it up further down the field

wrangler

TooOldBoots wrote: »

If his only option is to torment people with a crow banger then he would be better off finding something else to do. No one has the right to torment people.
Why should anyone put up with noise or smells? It's a form of pollution. Industry has had to clean up it's act over the years, do you think it would be tolerated if a factory was pumping out bad odour and noise? Why bother putting on a silencer on a lorry so.
If you think it's legal to have a nuisance noise or smell then you need to get some Education for yourself.

I gave permission to people to build down a private road and have regretted it ever since. some people don't deserve respect or consideration.
It's lovely to see the Scottish countryside where no one's allowed build,

Mooooo

Thread living up to its title anyway lol. Same as any issue first port of call is talk to the farmer, as bass said could have set it up wrong and moving it away from yer place may help as well. If it persists perhaps take it further but may as well try and start off on the right foot

Stihl waters

wrangler wrote: »

I gave permission to people to build down a private road and have regretted it ever since. some people don't deserve respect or consideration.
It's lovely to see the Scottish countryside where no one's allowed build,

How did it fall on you to give permission for the build