Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

niallo27

gozunda wrote: »

Waiting in a queue? who the f*ck cares? Just do whatever you want and feel comfortable with

Speeding? who the f*ck cares? Just do whatever you want and feel comfortable with

Asked to help keep the rate of infection down and observe restrictions? who the f*ck cares? Just do whatever you want and feel comfortable with...

Finally, your talking sense. But seriously hold tight for just another few weeks, next few weeks are crucial, just do a little bit more. Nah your right, **** em, it's never ending.

Sharpyshoot

niallo27 wrote: »

Finally, your talking sense. But seriously hold tight for just another few weeks, next few weeks are crucial, just do a little bit more. Nah your right, **** em, it's never ending.

Use hand sanitizer

gozunda

dalyboy wrote: »

Mr Nolan from the caravan of joy on the news earlier. Stating the 4th wave (sounds like a movie) will be something of the magnitude of hospitalisation what we had in October ???? !!!!!!

Is Mr Nolan aware that we have a huge cohort of over 70s vaccinated now and that 90% of historical hospitalisation was from this cohort. Additionally we have a massive number of “naturally immune” of society due to the January infection spike (which should cover them to at least July with covered antibodies)

It’s either a failing of communication, deafness , or basic mathematical illiteracy that he is suffering from at this point. (Likely a combo of all 3)

Even my 6 year old can see that what he’s talking is utter b@€&0x

I don't particularly mind the endless faux outrage. I don't particularly mind the endless whinging and complaining. I don't even particularly mind that some seem to think what the media says is the god given truth.

I do mind the made up 'facts' and bs vague statistics - and all that without a single reference

For example:

Is Mr Nolan aware that we have a huge cohort of over 70s vaccinated now and that 90% of historical hospitalisation was from this cohort.

Let's look at that.

First.

On the numbers of over 70s who have received their first and second dose todate . As of today the figures are:

• First dose: 223,314
• Second dose: 50,881

https://covid19.shanehastings.eu/vaccines/

Total number over 70s to be vaccinated is approx 490,000

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/c1687-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-monday-15-february/

So currently just under half of all those over 70 years of age have received the first dose only and about 10% who have received both their first and second dose

So the facts are: we have approx half who have received their first dose only and as of now are not fully vaccinated.

Second. A check of the statistics show that on average the over 70s have made up between 40% - 55% of all those in hospital with covid.

eg. "Hospitalised cases by age group" detailed here:
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/2f981-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-tuesday-12-january/#hospital-statistics

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/48e25-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-saturday-12-december/#hospital-statistics

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/b3fd5-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-monday-12-october/

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/e3180-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-monday-13-july/

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/ecbc11-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-sunday-12-a/

So the facts are: The claim that "90% of historical hospitalisation were from this cohort" is wrong. The true figure is closer to 50%

So agreed. "Its either a failing of communication, deafness , or basic mathematical illiteracy that (some) appear to be suffering from at this point"

"Most 6 year olds would" indeed see that type of made up stuff is certainly "utter b@€&0x"

Btw you may like to find a reference (not a media piece btw) to support your personal opinion that "we have a massive number of “naturally immune” of society due to the January infection spike"

As It simply seems to be more if the same...

And you know the funniest thing is? Those who thanked the comment ...

TLDR? Fine. Short version. The "facts" in your comment are little more than rubbish.

PowerToWait

gozunda wrote: »

The "facts" in your comment are little more than rubbish.

Who needs facts when you have YouTube and Facebook? And an army of middle aged freedom fighters just trying to wake up the sheeple.

The same poster refers to masks as muzzles. Truly the sign of a proud free thinker. He just knows things we don’t. Science me hoop he says.

shtpEdthePlum

In other news, they've changed the syntax, so now we're told to hold firm during this critical next six weeks.

I preferred the old one.

Idbatterim

robbiezero wrote: »

Turned on 9 o clock news there, Philip Nolan with the next 8 weeks are critical. Myself and the wife just split ourselves laughing.

At least nolan has a sense of humour...

11521323

gozunda wrote: »

I don't particularly mind the endless faux outrage. I don't particularly mind the endless whinging and complaining. I don't even particularly mind that some seem to think what the media says is the god given truth.

I do mind the made up 'facts' and bs vague statistics - and all that without a single reference

For example:



Let's look at that.

First.

On the numbers of over 70s who have received their first and second dose todate . As of today the figures are:

• First dose: 223,314
• Second dose: 50,881

https://covid19.shanehastings.eu/vaccines/

Total number over 70s to be vaccinated is approx 490,000

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/c1687-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-monday-15-february/

So currently just under half of all those over 70 years of age have received the first dose only and about 10% who have received both their first and second dose

So the facts are: we have approx half who have received their first dose only and as of now are not fully vaccinated.

Second. A check of the statistics show that on average the over 70s have made up between 40% - 55% of all those in hospital with covid.

eg. "Hospitalised cases by age group" detailed here:
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/2f981-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-tuesday-12-january/#hospital-statistics

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/48e25-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-saturday-12-december/#hospital-statistics

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/b3fd5-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-monday-12-october/

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/e3180-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-monday-13-july/

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/ecbc11-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-sunday-12-a/

So the facts are: The claim that "90% of historical hospitalisation were from this cohort" is wrong. The true figure is closer to 50%

So agreed. "Its either a failing of communication, deafness , or basic mathematical illiteracy that (some) appear to be suffering from at this point"

"Most 6 year olds would" indeed see that type of made up stuff is certainly "utter b@€&0x"

Btw you may like to find a reference (not a media piece btw) to support your personal opinion that "we have a massive number of “naturally immune” of society due to the January infection spike"

As It simply seems to be more if the same...

And you know the funniest thing is? Those who thanked the comment ...

TLDR? Fine. Short version. The "facts" in your comment are little more than rubbish.

Throughout all of your word vomit, all of the time, you conveniently choose to ignore reality in favour of more fabricated perception of our current situation.

The reason why people are getting sick and tired and losing the will to carry out any humanitarian acts to try and keep infection rates down, is because of the following:

- The Government have continuously lied to the public and shifted the goalposts at numerous junctures. We continue to have the most stringent measures in Europe yet have among the lowest incidence rates and lowest hospitalizations per capita, those are facts. At this stage were locking down to prevent lockdown which is utter madness.

- Despite this madness, the same individuals being asked to perpetually sit in their sitting rooms for the greater good are the ones who will earn significantly less income through tax increase for the next 5 years+ to pay for this bull**** while the Government who continuously spout their garbage mantras about being in this together will continue to get pay increases.

- You're conveniently forgetting that we are 12 months into this and nothing has changed. The Government have failed to implement mass testing, failed to increase ICU capacity, failed to come up with anything resembling a plan to live with Covid and have relied solely on the vaccine rollout which has been a disaster.

- And while we're on the vaccines, they've continuously reduced their targets (already down significantly for April too and will keep dropping as the weeks go by) which wouldn't be as big of an issue if they didn't choose to rely solely on them to pull us out of this abyss.

You're opinion on the matter fails to take into account basic human nature and psychology and your lack of understanding of the factors driving people's emotions is honestly baffling.

How are we supposed to stay motivated and philanthropic when our livelyhoods have been destroyed longer than anyone else's in Europe despite us doing amazingly well as a population to create one of the lowest incidences in the continent. Our prize for that effort? Finger wagging and even more effort required for absolutely no reason.

Keyzer

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

"Court orders Belgium to end coronavirus measures due to insufficient legal basis"

https://www.politico.eu/article/belgian-court-slaps-down-covid-19-measures-reports/

A Belgian court has given the Goverment 30 days to fix their lockdown legislation as it is illegal in it's current form.

Are there similar legal challenges ongoing or planned in Ireland does anyone know?

Get out of here Gemma, you're not welcome...

darem93

11521323 wrote: »

Throughout all of your word vomit, all of the time, you conveniently choose to ignore reality in favour of more fabricated perception of our current situation.

The reason why people are getting sick and tired and losing the will to carry out any humanitarian acts to try and keep infection rates down, is because of the following:

- The Government have continuously lied to the public and shifted the goalposts at numerous junctures. We continue to have the most stringent measures in Europe yet have among the lowest incidence rates and lowest hospitalizations per capita, those are facts. At this stage were locking down to prevent lockdown which is utter madness.

- Despite this madness, the same individuals being asked to perpetually sit in their sitting rooms for the greater good are the ones who will earn significantly less income through tax increase for the next 5 years+ to pay for this bull**** while the Government who continuously spout their garbage mantras about being in this together will continue to get pay increases.

- You're conveniently forgetting that we are 12 months into this and nothing has changed. The Government have failed to implement mass testing, failed to increase ICU capacity, failed to come up with anything resembling a plan to live with Covid and have relied solely on the vaccine rollout which has been a disaster.

- And while we're on the vaccines, they've continuously reduced their targets (already down significantly for April too and will keep dropping as the weeks go by) which wouldn't be as big of an issue if they didn't choose to rely solely on them to pull us out of this abyss.

You're opinion on the matter fails to take into account basic human nature and psychology and your lack of understanding of the factors driving people's emotions is honestly baffling.

How are we supposed to stay motivated and philanthropic when our livelyhoods have been destroyed longer than anyone else's in Europe despite us doing amazingly well as a population to create one of the lowest incidences in the continent. Our prize for that effort? Finger wagging and even more effort required for absolutely no reason.

You have summed the situation up to a tee. Nail on the head, literally.

Boggles

11521323 wrote: »

Throughout all of your word vomit, all of the time, you conveniently choose to ignore reality in favour of more fabricated perception of our current situation.

Go on then pick out one fabrication or falsehood in the post.

Should be easy fact check, so in your own time throw up your numbers.

Silentcorner

This may have been mentioned before but did any one see the Taoiseach respond to a question from Peadar Tobin about cancer screenings...he made the absolutely factual point that cancer will kill more people on account of delayed screenings...

He was told to "Get real..." by Martin.

A year of missed cancer screening is definitely going to have an impact on mortality as well as heart disease...but we need to "Get Real" here, the two biggest killers are not as important as the virus.

Another glimpse into the psychosis that has over taken our elected Government...this is going to be carnage in the years to come.

paddyisreal

gozunda wrote: »

I don't particularly mind the endless faux outrage. I don't particularly mind the endless whinging and complaining. I don't even particularly mind that some seem to think what the media says is the god given truth.

I do mind the made up 'facts' and bs vague statistics - and all that without a single reference

For example:



Let's look at that.

First.

On the numbers of over 70s who have received their first and second dose todate . As of today the figures are:

• First dose: 223,314
• Second dose: 50,881

https://covid19.shanehastings.eu/vaccines/

Total number over 70s to be vaccinated is approx 490,000

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/c1687-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-monday-15-february/

So currently just under half of all those over 70 years of age have received the first dose only and about 10% who have received both their first and second dose

So the facts are: we have approx half who have received their first dose only and as of now are not fully vaccinated.

Second. A check of the statistics show that on average the over 70s have made up between 40% - 55% of all those in hospital with covid.

eg. "Hospitalised cases by age group" detailed here:
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/2f981-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-tuesday-12-january/#hospital-statistics

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/48e25-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-saturday-12-december/#hospital-statistics

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/b3fd5-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-monday-12-october/

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/e3180-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-monday-13-july/

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/ecbc11-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-sunday-12-a/

So the facts are: The claim that "90% of historical hospitalisation were from this cohort" is wrong. The true figure is closer to 50%

So agreed. "Its either a failing of communication, deafness , or basic mathematical illiteracy that (some) appear to be suffering from at this point"

"Most 6 year olds would" indeed see that type of made up stuff is certainly "utter b@€&0x"

Btw you may like to find a reference (not a media piece btw) to support your personal opinion that "we have a massive number of “naturally immune” of society due to the January infection spike"

As It simply seems to be more if the same...

And you know the funniest thing is? Those who thanked the comment ...

TLDR? Fine. Short version. The "facts" in your comment are little more than rubbish.

so 55 percent of over 70s have recieved either the first or second dose - thats a majority and growing by the day so i think you just interpret facts to suit your narrative . One dose of pfizer they reckon gives 80 percent protection so dont let that fact get in your way either.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/29/cdc-study-shows-single-dose-of-pfizer-or-moderna-covid-vaccines-was-80percent-effective.html

JeffKenna

Silentcorner wrote: »

This may have been mentioned before but did any one see the Taoiseach respond to a question from Peadar Tobin about cancer screenings...he made the absolutely factual point that cancer will kill more people on account of delayed screenings...

He was told to "Get real..." by Martin.

A year of missed cancer screening is definitely going to have an impact on mortality as well as heart disease...but we need to "Get Real" here, the two biggest killers are not as important as the virus.

Another glimpse into the psychosis that has over taken our elected Government...this is going to be carnage in the years to come.

I'm really disappointed with Martins dismissive nature in general. I never thought he was like that before he became Taoiseach, or maybe I just wasn't paying enough attention.

Boggles

https://twitter.com/Toibin1/status/1377339273985224704

Answer not included.



Peadar use to be a decent politician until he started bothering God.

darem93

https://twitter.com/IrishTimesBiz/status/1377523637885022208

And so it begins... the devastating effects of NPHET and the government's "cautious" approach to the pandemic. But sure let's just keep adding weeks and months on to this "crucial" period while the country continues to wrack up debt and more and more people risk losing their jobs permanently.

I seriously hope some major accountability is taken when this mess is all over.

Arturo Delgado

normanoffside wrote: »

I'm hearing the next 8 weeks are crucial.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1377271039655301121

We have to fatten the curves...

pjohnson

Boggles wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Toibin1/status/1377339273985224704

Answer not included.



Peadar use to be a decent politician until he started bothering God.

I think the answer was "join Aontu"? That was the ending.

Ashbourne hoop

Boggles wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Toibin1/status/1377339273985224704

Answer not included.



Peadar use to be a decent politician until he started bothering God.

What was the answer ?

Boggles

Ashbourne hoop wrote: »

What was the answer ?

To his not so thinly veiled anti vax question and his quite frankly mental 2nd question.

Gut laughing I'd imagine.

gozunda

11521323 wrote: »

Throughout all of your word vomit, all of the time, you conveniently choose to ignore reality in favour of more fabricated perception of our current situation. The reason why people are getting sick and tired and losing the will to carry out any humanitarian acts to try and keep infection rates down, is because of the following:- The Government have continuously lied to the public and shifted the goalposts at numerous junctures. We continue to have the most stringent measures in Europe yet have among the lowest incidence rates and lowest hospitalizations per capita, those are facts. At this stage were locking down to prevent lockdown which is utter madness.Despite this madness, the same individuals being asked to perpetually sit in their sitting rooms for the greater good are the ones who will earn significantly less income through tax increase for the next 5 years+ to pay for this bull**** while the Government who continuously spout their garbage mantras about being in this together will continue to get pay increases. You're conveniently forgetting that we are 12 months into this and nothing has changed. The Government have failed to implement mass testing, failed to increase ICU capacity, failed to come up with anything resembling a plan to live with Covid and have relied solely on the vaccine rollout which has been a disaster. And while we're on the vaccines, they've continuously reduced their targets (already down significantly for April too and will keep dropping as the weeks go by) which wouldn't be as big of an issue if they didn't choose to rely solely on them to pull us out of this abyss. You're opinion on the matter fails to take into account basic human nature and psychology and your lack of understanding of the factors driving people's emotions is honestly baffling. How are we supposed to stay motivated and philanthropic when our livelyhoods have been destroyed longer than anyone else's in Europe despite us doing amazingly well as a population to create one of the lowest incidences in the continent. Our prize for that effort? Finger wagging and even more effort required for absolutely no reason.

Nothing igored my friend. Simply replied to the comment. Sorry that does not suit.

Lol though you bizarrely claiming a comment based on actual data is "word vomit" when your reply is little more than what could be described as yet another load of verbose scutter is quite funny

But what you're trying to now claim is that people can just make up ****e, add some made up 'facts' and that then justifies those talking manure?

One thing in all that at least in some deep recess you're acknowledging that having successfully got the rate of infection down - that restrictions are working.

Good. We're making some progress at least.

Stormyteacup

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/basic-schoolboy-error-in-changes-to-vaccine-and-quarantine-programmes-1.4526011?mode=amp

Quite a scathing criticism of government and NPHET from Harry McGee in IT today.

I think this is the first MSM article I’ve read that lays the death stats bare.

“Anyone who in the past year has scrolled through the data of the weekly reports of the Health Protection Surveillance Centre will see how obvious the age factor is.

I had a quick look at the latest data yesterday. The overall percentages have been more or less the same each time I have looked at them. The stark reality is that 92 per cent of the 4,667 people who have died with Covid-19 were 65 years of age and over. A further 5.2 per cent were over 55.

That means only 2.6 per cent of people who died were under 55.

That’s 126 people out of 4,667. Only 50 people under the age of 45 have died, slightly over 1 per cent. That’s less people dying in that age bracket than in a bad flu season.”

Oh no, he said the ‘F’ word.

Sobit1964

Boggles wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Toibin1/status/1377339273985224704

Answer not included.



Peadar use to be a decent politician until he started bothering God.

Is there some reason that students should be compelled to take vaccines especially when the vulnerable and those begging for vaccines have not received theirs?

JeffKenna

JeffKenna wrote: »

I'm really disappointed with Martins dismissive nature in general. I never thought he was like that before he became Taoiseach, or maybe I just wasn't paying enough attention.

I know a FF lad, won't say his position. Since school (15-20 years at this point) he's been a constant party loyalist and I'm not a fan of his (politcally) in the least. Get on well but would never vote for him like. But yeah, he's privately mentioned that Martin is "an ignorant bastard" and the sooner he's gone, the better. Was surprising coming from him.

Stormyteacup

Attorney General Paul Gallagher has written to Oireachtas to point out to them that their intention to add 43 countries to the mandatory quarantine list is a misinterpretation of the law that was passed and is an ‘over-reach’.

ISAG and fans will not be happy with this.

Boggles

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Is there some reason that students should be compelled to take vaccines especially when the vulnerable and those begging for vaccines have not received theirs?

HCW's are cohort one.

paddyisreal

Deleted User wrote: »

I know a FF lad, won't say his position. Since school (15-20 years at this point) he's been a constant party loyalist and I'm not a fan of his (politcally) in the least. Get on well but would never vote for him like. But yeah, he's privately mentioned that Martin is "an ignorant bastard" and the sooner he's gone, the better. Was surprising coming from him.

The guy we have running the country is afraid of his life to make a decision and will push everything on to someone else. People have short memories it was the same when he was health minishter, he set up the hse and then wasted millions on reports and more reports that he did nothing about.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/martin-spent-eur30m-on-health-reports-1.1164662

Boggles

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Attorney General Paul Gallagher has written to Oireachtas to point out to them that their intention to add 43 countries to the mandatory quarantine list is a misinterpretation of the law that was passed and is an ‘over-reach’.

ISAG and fans will not be happy with this.

Citation please?

_Kaiser_

Boggles wrote: »

Citation please?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus/concern-plans-to-extend-hotel-quarantine-could-breach-eu-citizens-rights-1.4525043

Took me 20 seconds. Plus it's been all over the radio/news since last night.

gozunda

Stormyteacup wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/basic-schoolboy-error-in-changes-to-vaccine-and-quarantine-programmes-1.4526011?mode=amp

Quite a scathing criticism of government and NPHET from Harry McGee in IT today.
I think this is the first MSM article I’ve read that lays the death stats bare...

Oh no, he said the ‘F’ word.

"Main steam media" isn't that phrase usually reserved for conspiracy theorists?

And his facts are indeed correct and that sadly this virus has killed many many more people over 65 compared to younger age groups

Yet the above conveniently ignores the important fact that the current situation is not just about deaths. But in actually keeping the rate of infection down in all age groups so that our health services can continue to cope.

Because the facts are that approx 50% of those in hospital with covid are under 65 years of age.

But maybe for some it's easy to ignore that ...

Sobit1964

gozunda wrote: »

"Main steam media" isn't that phrase usually reserved for conspiracy theorists?

And his facts are indeed correct and that sadly this virus has killed many many more people over 65 compared to younger age groups

Yet the above conveniently ignores the important fact that the current situation is not just about deaths. But in actually keeping the rate of infection down in all age groups so that our health services can continue to cope.

Because the facts are that approx 50% of those in hospital with covid are under 65 years of age.

But maybe for some it's easy to ignore that ...

You really make your posts appear as though they are written by a wide eyed loon when you start them out with dross like this.

Shame, as you actually post some pretty decent stuff.