Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Graham

timmyntc wrote: »

Where did you get that?

The govts approach is based on science - but the same approach as govt have taken was dismissed by charlie14 earlier in the week at the time as "not backed by science" when suggested by posters here. "The Science" didnt just come into existence in the last 24hrs - the data govt made their decision based on has been available for weeks.

I don't think the position has changed recently. The approach remains.

Make a change, assess the impact, make a change, assess the impact...

gozunda

timmyntc wrote: »

Why not quote my whole post to get the context?..

Why not indeed timmyntc???

You quote me above in support of some rubbish you're pushing about posters here claiming it wasn't time yet for restrictions to be rolled back.

You could at least have the decency to quote me in full or acknowledge that "the opening up" which I referenced" was a scenario with no restrictions whatsoever But I suppose that wouldn't suit the agenda

Here's the full comment. I've even highlighted the quote in context.

gozunda wrote: »

Well that's the thing we didn't have any vaccines when this **** started and now we do.

But atm the "most vulnerable" have not all been vaccinated. Those aged 16-69 and at high risk from infection are still being vaccinated. As are the remaining 70+ and others. And thats just the first dose of vaccine we're talking about.

What would you have us do?

Just throw everything out the window even though we are managing to keep the infection rate low and especially now have a way out of this mess?

And we know that 50% of the adult population vaccinated is the current min level to provide for opening up - as seen in the UK, Israel

Despite that we've already started rolling back restrictions here because of our low infection rate - though I don't ever remember being told that when the vulnerable were vaccinated we could let it rip?

Yeah but seriously let's ask what the fuq is going on eh?

timmyntc

gozunda wrote: »

Why not indeed timmyntc???

You quote me above in support of some rubbish you're pushing about posters here claiming it wasn't time yet for restrictions to be rolled back.

You could at least have the decency to quote me in full or acknowledge that "the opening up" which I referenced" was a scenario with no restrictions whatsoever But I suppose that wouldn't suit the agenda

Here's the full comment. I've even highlighted the quote in context.

Yes. And?

Its a reference to schools etc - you still stated we shouldnt be opening up hospitality etc because we need the 50% vaccinated milestone.

gozunda

timmyntc wrote: »

Yes. And?

Its a reference to schools etc - you still stated we shouldnt be opening up hospitality etc because we need the 50% vaccinated milestone.

Ah so back to the game of things which were NEVER said

Nope. I made NO mention of "hospitality" whatsoever. I can find no reference to 'schools'

Here the quote again - in context of the poster I was replying to wanting a full reopening with no restrictions whatsoever. I even acknowledged we weren't at 50% but we were rolling back restrictions already.

And we know that 50% of the adult population vaccinated is the current min level to provide for opening up - as seen in the UK, Israel

Despite that we've already started rolling back restrictions here because of our low infection rate - though I don't ever remember being told that when the vulnerable were vaccinated we could let it rip?

Do you want to let it rip timmyntc? Is that the idea you're pushing?

PTH2009

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0429/1212714-cabinet-restrictions/

Few changes

stephenjmcd

PTH2009 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0429/1212714-cabinet-restrictions/

Few changes

No changes there from what went to cabinet this afternoon. All as leaked last night

Level 42

Level 42 wrote: »

when are we predicting the following are back ?

amateur football teams back playing
concerts no restrictions
going to the pub no social distancing

1. June.
2. Depends - if you mean full capacity events at large capacity venues such as three arena - probably 2022, small venues with max a few hundred capacity - September
3. September

PTH2009

stephenjmcd wrote: »

No changes there from what went to cabinet this afternoon. All as leaked last night

I thought outdoor hospitality was the 24th May

Suppose those pesky bank holiday weekends killed that chance

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

I thought outdoor hospitality was the 24th May

Suppose those pesky bank holiday weekends killed that chance

No, got changed yesterday, you were complaining about it......

hynesie08

stephenjmcd wrote: »

No changes there from what went to cabinet this afternoon. All as leaked last night

Was indoor hospitality not the 7th earlier?

FlubberJones

Seem the gyms are being lumped in with drinking outside now... baffling idea.

If shops and hairdressers are open they should have gyms at the same time, the shopaholics will be sweating and panting in the TK MAX and whatever... no different to us in the gyms.

rob316

I'm sure NPHET wanted this farce to go on longer. Its still not quick enough though, there is no science behind keeping outdoor hospitality closed for another month. Why couldn't the 10th be brought forward to the 4th?

is_that_so

FlubberJones wrote: »

Seem the gyms are being lumped in with drinking outside now... baffling idea.

If shops and hairdressers are open they should have gyms at the same time, the shopaholics will be sweating and panting in the TK MAX and whatever... no different to us in the gyms.

It's just the large number of different sectors and not wanting to open too many at the same time. Remember last year it took us about 2 months to open everything. June 7 is only a further few weeks.

charlie14

timmyntc wrote: »

Your deference to science is really just a deference to the government. They do not have access to some top secret "science" that we do not. The data is plain to see for all and sundry. We have been seeing it for weeks in the case, hospital & death trends. We have been shouting from the rooftops that based on the science and vaccines we should already be well underway reopening hospitality and more - to this we were told "but but India! Brazil! The variants!"

At what point did opening hospitality in May go from unscientific to science backed? Was it the same time the govt announced it?

I did say here some time ago, half jokingly, that it felt as if certain posters were actually desperate to keep us locked down permanently as they would have nothing to crib and cry about otherwise.
From skimming through posts since these proposed measures were first mooted last night it looks is if I was only half right.
The whiff of desperation from some here since is palpable.

It looks as if you have spent so long here moaning about lockdown the rest of the world has passed you by.
The science is not secret. It`s there for anyone who wishes to see it in the data from the U.K. and Israel on opening up based on vaccination levels.

The science that is not there, or if it is it is a secret known only to you and a select few others rooftop shouters based on data of low numbers and low vaccination levels for opening up everything right away.

Don`t be selfish. Do tell please.

PTH2009

hynesie08 wrote: »

You, yesterday when the date was changed? Am I wrong?

But didn't it get changed back to the 24th May a few hours later ?

timmyntc

gozunda wrote: »

Ah so back to the game of things which were NEVER said

Nope. I made NO mention of "hospitality" whatsoever. I can find no reference to 'schools'

Here the quote again - in context of the poster I was replying to wanting a full reopening with no restrictions whatsoever. I even acknowledged we weren't at 50% but we were rolling back restrictions already.



Do you want to let it rip timmyntc? Is that the idea you're pushing?

:pac:

is_that_so

rob316 wrote: »

I'm sure NPHET wanted this farce to go on longer. Its still not quick enough though, there is no science behind keeping outdoor hospitality closed for another month. Why couldn't the 10th be brought forward to the 4th?

Bank Holiday is why. NPHET don't do BHs!

timmyntc

charlie14 wrote: »

I did say here some time ago, half jokingly, that it felt as if certain posters were actually desperate to keep us locked down permanently as they would have nothing to crib and cry about otherwise.
From skimming through posts since these proposed measures were first mooted last night it looks is if I was only half right.
The whiff of desperation from some here since is palpable.

It looks as if you have spent so long here moaning about lockdown the rest of the world has passed you by.
The science is not secret. It`s there for anyone who wishes to see it in the data from the U.K. and Israel on opening up based on vaccination levels.

The science that is not there, or if it is it is a secret known only to you and a select few others rooftop shouters based on data of low numbers and low vaccination levels for opening up everything right away.

Don`t be selfish. Do tell please.

People who proposed the very same measures as the govt have now based on the same data were told it was too risky and would get out of control - yet now its totally okay and science backed?

FlubberJones

is_that_so wrote: »

It's just the large number of different sectors and not wanting to open too many at the same time. Remember last year it took us about 2 months to open everything. June 7 is only a further few weeks.

Fair point, shame the gym took the short straw.... Understand its only a few more weeks, I've wasted away over the last 4 months, so I'll just have to wait

gozunda

timmyntc wrote: »

:pac:

Well you're clearly deliberately misquoting posters to try and prove something or other but its really not clear what that is tbh.

So thats a question...

Unlike the stuff you posted which was NEVER said.

So again the question timmyntc is - do want to let it rip?

gozunda

PTH2009 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0429/1212714-cabinet-restrictions/

Few changes

Can quite understand hotels and guest houses opening up on the 2nd but dining / bars not until the 7th. I thought it would make more sense to open both of those on the same day?

Graham

gozunda wrote: »

Can quite understand hotels and guest houses opening up on the 2nd but dining / bars not until the 7th. I thought it would make more sense to open both of those on the same day?

My guess would be to avoid a bank holiday weekend with packed beer gardens.

If the weather is nice I predict a lot of people taking days off that week

the kelt

Deleted User wrote: »

I can just imagine the insults being flung at the ref.

"Why should I go back 10 yards"
"I should be able to handle the ball where I choose"
"Shin pads are completely ineffective, show me the scientific evidence"

People who defend restrictions all the time love VAR!!

Fact

_Kaiser_

Anthony Staines on NT now still trying to push the doom angle. He's not happy that he's becoming even more irrelevant.

11521323

Graham wrote: »

My guess would be to avoid a bank holiday weekend with packed beer gardens.

If the weather is nice I predict a lot of people taking days off that week

You said yesterday too that we're being cautious to avoid another lockdown, can you please tell me what would justify another lockdown when we'll have all the vulnerable vaccinated by the end of May?

TheDoctor

I'd like to book annual leave for June 8th, 9th, 10th and 11th please.

Theboinkmaster

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Anthony Staines on NT now still trying to push the doom angle. He's not happy that he's becoming even more irrelevant.

Yeah I can’t stand him and frustrating the other people on radio didnt challenge him much - using Chile as an example of what could happen here and nobody calling him out on their ****e vaccine so not comparable etc.

cnocbui

11521323 wrote: »

You said yesterday too that we're being cautious to avoid another lockdown, can you please tell me what would justify another lockdown when we'll have all the vulnerable vaccinated by the end of May?

India - a godsend of an argument that trumps all with no need for awkward explanations. /s

Necro

I've just deleted about 80 posts where I could have issued cards and bans for nearly half the thread for off topic bickering about passports, willy-waving about who was right and who was wrong and outright moronic ranting from both sides. Folks can we calm it down a bit, there's no need for the hostilities. Discuss the topic in a civil manner or don't post here, sanctions will follow if people don't wind their necks in

Graham

11521323 wrote: »

You said yesterday too that we're being cautious to avoid another lockdown

We have been cautious.

That's why we've been in a position to ease restrictions over the last few/coming weeks.