FE1 Exam Thread (Read 1st post!) No trading

FE1new

I am so glad for this forum, that people are having the same issues and are open about it. Just wanted to thank everyone as today would have been harder without you all. We have all done extremely well to even get here with a global pandemic. I think that will stand to us when we eventually put these god awful exams behind us.

Jenosul

Hi everyone,

Is it worth getting a Constitution recheck I got 46 and felt the exam went well and I answered all 5 questions I had got 47 in the sitting previously where I only had 4 questions and a guess answer.

Am I correct in saying everyone feels the exams were marked harder this sitting due to being online? I can’t make heads or tails of my results. Extremely shocked and upset with all of my results to the point of being nauseous!

Fe1Student20

AnnabelleK wrote: »

Got 43 in contract . I really thought that I passed

I'm the exact same!

lawDani

Fedonezo wrote: »

So sorry to hear of all the anger/disappointment from today’s results. The process is a complete disgrace and the LSI need to be held accountable. I have seen some extremely good points being made on this thread today and believe this should be brought to the papers/media in some way. This seems to be the only way to get a response.

i agree. some rechecks can take 6 weeks seemingly and others 3. there is no consistency with and thus no to little RELIANCE on the LSI

blondie8856

I passed Equity thankfully, got 53% but thought I had done way better. Was expecting to see 60% at least ... I think the exams were marked very harshly.

Quick question, if I request to view my script can I also see how it was marked? Or must I get it rechecked to see the marks? Curious as to how they marked it.

FE1Hopefully1

blondie8856 wrote: »

I passed Equity thankfully, got 53% but thought I had done way better. Was expecting to see 60% at least ... I think the exams were marked very harshly.

Quick question, if I request to view my script can I also see how it was marked? Or must I get it rechecked to see the marks? Curious as to how they marked it.

Usually they just sent a scan of the marked paper but there’s never any comments on it just a number beside each answer

Not sure how it will work with the online exams tbh I’m not sure if they printed off the exam and the examiner marked it that way or will you just be sent a copy with nothing on it

LawStudent999

It is actually depressing to think of all the well-worded, well-thought out emails, which contain so many valid arguments that have been sent to the law society only to be met with such blatant disregard. I have said it before and will say it again, they are in a dreadfully powerful position and the sheer lack of accountability on their end is horrific.

As already stated by one person, it is shocking that one would have sat an exam that they may have passed and have to pay for a recheck in blind faith, having not seen their script. The process is beyond flawed from beginning to end and the LSI's inability as an institution to host these examinations, is evident. They have not got what is required for the role they play in the legal sector and this is evident in their lack of communication, clarity and general demeanour which they present to candidates who are shelling out a small fortune to sit these exams.

Thankfully, I got a few good results today but also got bad ones and like many others I cannot make sense of the logic behind the grading. I failed exams which I was enormously confident for and passed ones which I thought left a lot to be desired. It isn't unrealistic to ask for adequate time to seek due process. It isn't unrealistic to have exams corrected in a more efficient and expedient manner. It is not by any means unrealistic to expect a marking scheme.

I have seen petitions, call outs on social media, and all the rest and I genuinely do not know how the people in the LSI don't see or understand the effect their sheer lack of decent infrastructure is having on people trying their absolute best, in a challenging enough time as it is, to enter the legal profession.

To those who were happy today with results, and especially those who are now finished with the FE1's, I congratulate you and wish you every success going forward. To those who feel hard done by or let down, your feelings are absolutely justified. However, if you can continue through this period, despite the inadequacies of the Law Society, the legal profession will be lucky to have you at what I'm sure is not a too distant point in the future.

Hazel774

blondie8856 wrote: »

I passed Equity thankfully, got 53% but thought I had done way better. Was expecting to see 60% at least ... I think the exams were marked very harshly.

Quick question, if I request to view my script can I also see how it was marked? Or must I get it rechecked to see the marks? Curious as to how they marked it.

They usually send you a pdf of your full corrected script. So you see the marks you got per question and can check that they were added up correctly on the front page

Well done on passing! The equity examiner is a harsh marker anyway, so 53% is pretty decent

Fedonezo

I definitely think if there was a bit of pressure from the media the LSI would up their game a bit. There is clearly no consistency in the marking of these papers and therefore the money we pay to sit them cannot be justified!! The lack of transparency says it all.

I didn’t actually sit any exams this time round but I would URGE people to contact the Independent/Irish News etc (on Twitter or email) and draw their attention to this thread as well as the current petition - it would be a huge help to draw some attention outside of boards to this mayhem!

EM95

Congratulations to those who passed unfortunately I was not successful in Company or Contract with 48% very disappointed and disheartened not sure what I will do now was not expecting those results.

Fe1Student20

Has anyone had any joy with a Contract recheck in the past? Got 43 but thought it had gone better to at least pass.

I got Tort rechecked after the August sitting and went from 45 to precisely 45 once again, so I'm a tad more wary of just forking over more money to this crowd. I thought UCD were bad for being a money racket, don't have a patch on this esteemed society!

FE1Hopefully1

EM95 wrote: »

Congratulations to those who passed unfortunately I was not successful in Company or Contract with 48% very disappointed and disheartened not sure what I will do now was not expecting those results.

Was it your first sitting can I ask ?

I would definitely request your script and maybe even a re check because you’re so close

But definitely don’t be too hard on yourself you will get there soon

Lallers96

FE1_2020_ wrote: »

They're going have to step it up and get in line with their own timelines. There is no due process afforded to a candidate in respect of their rights in terms of rechecks/appeals. In any case a candidate should be able to view their script and then have time to consider whether or not they wish to proceed with a recheck based upon a thorough review instead of pursuing a recheck with blind faith.

That would be fair, just and reasonable its time we start shoving these policy considerations back on them. After all its what we should be duly afforded in addition to a transparent marking scheme. The examiners reports do not qualify in this regard and there is a big discrepancy in terms of value within those reports as quiet a few of those examiners reports are written with such a pompous attitude outlining two sentence comment as opposed to outlining what the topic of the question was and in particular what was needed.

Exactly. And sure the Tort examiners report is awful. Literally just a copy and pasted response along the lines of "candidates would be best advised to answer the question that was asked". My goodness why didn't I think of that?

nicolesd

I really hope the law society will consider pushing the exams forward a few weeks given that so many people are now left completely stunned by the results this morning. I think if we all collectively try put on the pressure surely they will have to?

FE1Hopefully1

nicolesd wrote: »

I really hope the law society will consider pushing the exams forward a few weeks given that so many people are now left completely stunned by the results this morning. I think if we all collectively try put on the pressure surely they will have to?

I’ve seen a good few people that have emailed but they haven’t even responded to them

LawBoy2018

nicolesd wrote: »

I really hope the law society will consider pushing the exams forward a few weeks given that so many people are now left completely stunned by the results this morning. I think if we all collectively try put on the pressure surely they will have to?

I would much rather for them to get our scripts/rechecks back to us asap and potentially add another sitting in August, if at all.

michaelot97

What are people putting down for Fe1 Examination No. on the recheck form?

Fe7

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

I would much rather for them to get our scripts/rechecks back to us asap and potentially add another sitting in August, if at all.

The August sitting was only because they didn't have the opportunity to write the final FE1 topics in March. There was only a small number of people left to write. The fact they were in August and not sooner was appalling, actually.

If anything, they should be pushing these exams as a whole out to April, because it has affected all FE1 topics receiving the results so late. Not to mention to make up for the month lost from the November exams.

FE1Hopefully1

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

I would much rather for them to get our scripts/rechecks back to us asap and potentially add another sitting in August, if at all.

Can’t see there being one in august as there was the same issue with not enough time between the results and the sitting in October which lead to the first petition to get the exams pushed back till November

FE1new

michaelot97 wrote: »

What are people putting down for Fe1 Examination No. on the recheck form?

I left it blank as we didn't get one.

Are people applying for rechecks straight away without looking at your script?

Fe7

Deleted User wrote: »

Are people applying for rechecks straight away without looking at your script?

Yeah, re-checks close January 29th (If memory on the form today serves me right). With the rate the LS work, by the time I get a script will be well past this date. I'm not leaving anything up to chance with them.

BBall2015

I just got off the phone with the Law society, I asked how long we have to wait for our scripts to be emailed to us if we've requested to view them and also how long we've to wait for our recheck results considering the tight timeline to March.

They said getting our scripts to us usually takes 30 days, that they will be starting to reply to people's request tomorrow and get through them as quick as they can.

In relation to the recheck, she said usually it takes 6 weeks for the recheck result to be released but given the timeline, they'd have to be quicker for us to get the result before we sit the exam again, but that we could get the recheck result very close to when we're due to sit the exam again in March! She also said that they've emailed and asked for clarification as to how long the recheck process will be this time - who she's emailing for confirmation, I have no idea?

orlaghs

Deleted User wrote: »

Are people applying for rechecks straight away without looking at your script?

yep i'm taking the chance. not going to wait around for the script to appear weeks past the recheck application deadline

FE1new

BBall2015 wrote: »

I just got off the phone with the Law society, I asked how long we have to wait for our scripts to be emailed to us if we've requested to view them and also how long we've to wait for our recheck results considering the tight timeline to March.

They said getting our scripts to us usually takes 30 days, that they will be starting to reply to people's request tomorrow and get through them as quick as they can.

In relation to the recheck, she said usually it takes 6 weeks for the recheck result to be released but given the timeline, they'd have to be quicker for us to get the result before we sit the exam again, but that we could get the recheck result very close to when we're due to sit the exam again in March! She also said that they've emailed and asked for clarification as to how long the recheck process will be this time - who she's emailing for confirmation, I have no idea?

Sounds like they are running around like headless chickens. So I can expect my script on 14th February, 16 days after the cut off for applying for a recheck and the recheck results on 25th, 4 days before the next round starts....that is not good enough really.

FE1Hopefully1

FE1new wrote: »

Sounds like they are running around like headless chickens. So I can expect my script on 14th February, 16 days after the cut off for applying for a recheck and the recheck results on 25th, 4 days before the next round starts....that is not good enough really.

Basically means you have to either continue study in the event you have to repeat it or leave it and hope for the best which is not good enough at all

neon123

Am I right in saying we can't apply for the March sitting just yet? Probably be next week I'd imagine.

FE1Hopefully1

neon123 wrote: »

Am I right in saying we can't apply for the March sitting just yet? Probably be next week I'd imagine.

Yes said on the results page it would be up soon

dobby896

BBall2015 wrote: »

I just got off the phone with the Law society, I asked how long we have to wait for our scripts to be emailed to us if we've requested to view them and also how long we've to wait for our recheck results considering the tight timeline to March.

They said getting our scripts to us usually takes 30 days, that they will be starting to reply to people's request tomorrow and get through them as quick as they can.

In relation to the recheck, she said usually it takes 6 weeks for the recheck result to be released but given the timeline, they'd have to be quicker for us to get the result before we sit the exam again, but that we could get the recheck result very close to when we're due to sit the exam again in March! She also said that they've emailed and asked for clarification as to how long the recheck process will be this time - who she's emailing for confirmation, I have no idea?

I just can't fathom why they didn't push out the March sitting, even 2 weeks would make a huge difference, they're going to be up against tight deadlines too, which are bound to be impacted by COVID somewhat (as has been evident to date). It's just a complete lack of common sense.

Fe7

neon123 wrote: »

Am I right in saying we can't apply for the March sitting just yet? Probably be next week I'd imagine.

Yeah I havent seen the application yet anyway. Great to know we'll have to apply to those not knowing how re-checks settle for what seems like a large majority of us /s

Another thing is that if so many of us are applying for re-checks this sitting (more than normal by the sounds of it), how long is that going to add to our wait for them to sift through :mad:

neon123

FE1Hopefully1 wrote: »

Yes said on the results page it would be up soon

Grand

neon123

Fe7 wrote: »

Yeah I havent seen the application yet anyway. Great to know we'll have to apply to those not knowing how re-checks settle for what seems like a large majority of us /s

Another thing is that if so many of us are applying for re-checks this sitting (more than normal by the sounds of it), how long is that going to add to our wait for them to sift through :mad:

I was actually surprised when I first saw the timetable that it was March given the Autumn sitting was late, thought April would make more sense to compensate for that and then they can go back to standard routine next October.

bluerthanu

BBall2015 wrote: »

I just got off the phone with the Law society, I asked how long we have to wait for our scripts to be emailed to us if we've requested to view them and also how long we've to wait for our recheck results considering the tight timeline to March.

They said getting our scripts to us usually takes 30 days, that they will be starting to reply to people's request tomorrow and get through them as quick as they can.

In relation to the recheck, she said usually it takes 6 weeks for the recheck result to be released but given the timeline, they'd have to be quicker for us to get the result before we sit the exam again, but that we could get the recheck result very close to when we're due to sit the exam again in March! She also said that they've emailed and asked for clarification as to how long the recheck process will be this time - who she's emailing for confirmation, I have no idea?

Getting the scripts back 30 days later is absolutely bonkers! With a normal sitting I can understand that because they have to scan each one. With this sitting, unless the examiners marked them by printing them all off physically then surely this is literally as simple as exporting the data from the programme that was used to host the marking of the script and then putting that on a secure file for the candidate. What are they smoking in all seriousness?

Jenosul

FE1Hopefully1 wrote: »

Basically means you have to either continue study in the event you have to repeat it or leave it and hope for the best which is not good enough at all

Sitting these exams are very isolating apart from linking up with people on here. I noticed someone put up a mental health phone line on here which is completely justified. There is no support from the law society the sheer shock of today’s marks for a lot of people including myself would knock the stuffing out of you. You are alone receiving your results and have already completed your degree in most cases so you cannot ask your marker for personal advice on how to improve. Without paying lots of money for prep courses or tuition you are completely alone regarding support.

SalteeBiscuits

Unfortunately likely one of the reasons they're not budging on the March sitting is to allow people to start TCs in April

LawBoy2018

bluerthanu wrote: »

Getting the scripts back 30 days later is absolutely bonkers! With a normal sitting I can understand that because they have to scan each one. With this sitting, unless the examiners marked them by printing them all off physically then surely this is literally as simple as exporting the data from the programme that was used to host the marking of the script and then putting that on a secure file for the candidate. What are they smoking in all seriousness?

They need to provide them before 30 days has passed according to GDPR, hence the timeline. I think they will get them back to us sooner this time around. (plz)

TCPIP

Does anybody have the November property paper?

FE1Hopefully1

TCPIP wrote: »

Does anybody have the November property paper?

I couldn’t figure out a way to save the paper so not sure if it’s available tbh

Hazel774

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

They need to provide them before 30 days has passed according to GDPR, hence the timeline. I think they will get them back to us sooner this time around. (plz)

I didn't know they had to send it within 30 days! After the March sitting they took 152 days from the date of my request to send it to me haha

bluerthanu

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

They need to provide them before 30 days has passed according to GDPR, hence the timeline. I think they will get them back to us sooner this time around. (plz)

Very fair, thanks. Misread original post.

Hamerzan Sickles

This is definitely the worst reaction to FE1 results I have see in this thread going back years. Maybe something did go seriously wrong. I don't understand how so many of us could have been awarded marks in the thirties for so many subjects. When was the last time that happened to anyone before this sitting?

caius97

Hi guys, does anyone have example criminal answers/grid?:) Thanks!

Fe7

Hamerzan Sickles wrote: »

This is definitely the worst reaction to FE1 results I have see in this thread going back years. Maybe something did go seriously wrong. I don't understand how so many of us could have been awarded marks in the thirties for so many subjects. When was the last time that happened to anyone before this sitting?

Surely the examiners would have noticed that and looked into it too.

Me thinks that due to the economic crash from covid the LS are using their monopolistic funnel system to control the amount of qualifying lawyers. Little demand = little supply. An over supply would result in reduced wages and all that jazz.

LawStudent999

I'm not sure who it was but there was a google drive going around to collect results...is there any info stemming from that yet to suggest that the marking is a shambles?

michaelot97

Hamerzan Sickles wrote: »

This is definitely the worst reaction to FE1 results I have see in this thread going back years. Maybe something did go seriously wrong. I don't understand how so many of us could have been awarded marks in the thirties for so many subjects. When was the last time that happened to anyone before this sitting?

Especially given the majority of people are astounded at how low their results are and expected to pass. Personally, I cannot wrap my head around how I only got 46% in equity. I got 65% in criminal and I thought I did much better in equity. Looking forward to us all getting our scripts back as I think there'll be a serious amount of complaints going into the law society when we see how our papers were marked...

neon123

Fe7 wrote: »

Surely the examiners would have noticed that and looked into it too.

Me thinks that due to the economy from covid the LS are using their monopolistic funnel system to control the amount of qualifying lawyers. Little demand = little supply. An over supply would result in reduced wages and all that jazz.

I was actually thinking that myself but wasn't sure if I was being overly cynical! I wonder if there is also a higher expectation to provide more detail for each Q now that they are typed answers, whereas when we had to hand write there was a little more leniency?

FE1Hopefully1

neon123 wrote: »

I was actually thinking that myself but wasn't sure if I was being overly cynical! I wonder if there is also a higher expectation to provide more detail for each Q now that they are typed answers, whereas when we had to hand write there was a little more leniency?

Yes I was thinking that they probably expected a little more due to the extra time

Fe7

neon123 wrote: »

I was actually thinking that myself but wasn't sure if I was being overly cynical! I wonder if there is also a higher expectation to provide more detail for each Q now that they are typed answers, whereas when we had to hand write there was a little more leniency?

Hahah, I majored in Economics. I can't help but be cynical.

biglawhead420

WE NEED THE EXAMS PUSHED BACK UNTIL LATE MARCH OR APRIL

you can't give us less time to study (due to september push back) then mark like that, and still expect us to do exams 2 weeks earlier!

They're also online for god sake so it is not even like they have already got venues booked or anything.

FE1student560

I just feel completely despondent and blindsided. I had fully expected to pass company and to discover that I wasn't even close is quite disconcerting. I'm not sure how I could have approached that exam better. I honestly don't know what the examiner wants from me