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Timber Frame 2 storey

  • 15-02-2021 10:56pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 311 ✭✭ johnnyfruitcake


    Hey,

    Has anyone a blog about building a timber frame 2 storey house or any recommendations on companies etc.

    Can't find much info from people who have built with it.

    Pros and cons.

    Can you have a concrete first floor or does it have to be joists?
    Soundproofing etc.

    Any help appreciated.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,251 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Gumbo


    Are you building a one off?


  • Registered Users Posts: 311 ✭✭ johnnyfruitcake


    Gumbo wrote:
    Are you building a one off?


    Yea, not building a housing estate or anything.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,251 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Gumbo


    Yea, not building a housing estate or anything.

    If you want concrete first floors then traditional block built it is.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭ 0lddog


    Gumbo wrote: »
    If you want concrete first floors then traditional block built it is.


    Up the road from me there is a one off new build ICF. Ist floor precast craned in.

    Would ICF be able to support slab or might there be some steel helping ?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,251 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Gumbo


    0lddog wrote: »
    Up the road from me there is a one off new build ICF. Ist floor precast craned in.

    Would ICF be able to support slab or might there be some steel helping ?

    Engineer will decide.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 601 ✭✭✭ RandRuns


    0lddog wrote: »
    Up the road from me there is a one off new build ICF. Ist floor precast craned in.

    Would ICF be able to support slab or might there be some steel helping ?

    ICF will be able to support slab in most cases (certainly in any case where block could). Some of the ICF systems also have an integrated poured floor system.


  • Registered Users Posts: 35 shellda1


    Hey,

    Has anyone a blog about building a timber frame 2 storey house or any recommendations on companies etc.

    Can't find much info from people who have built with it.

    Pros and cons.

    Can you have a concrete first floor or does it have to be joists?
    Soundproofing etc.

    Any help appreciated.

    I'm just finishing off a two storey timber frame and I have a 50mm concrete screed on the 1st floor so it can certainly be done. Engineer spec'd 253mm eco joists to support the weight and spans.


  • Registered Users Posts: 601 ✭✭✭ RandRuns


    shellda1 wrote: »
    I'm just finishing off a two storey timber frame and I have a 50mm concrete screed on the 1st floor so it can certainly be done. Engineer spec'd 253mm eco joists to support the weight and spans.

    Yeas, I've seen a good few timberframe with first floor screeded on pozijoists or similar.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,704 ✭✭✭ Metric Tensor


    There's a difference between a timber floor structure supporting a concrete screed and a concrete floor structure supporting a concrete screed.

    When someone talks about a "concrete" first floor it is worth clarifying which of the above they mean!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,251 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Gumbo


    shellda1 wrote: »
    I'm just finishing off a two storey timber frame and I have a 50mm concrete screed on the 1st floor so it can certainly be done. Engineer spec'd 253mm eco joists to support the weight and spans.

    The OP mentioned Concrete First Floor. If its a screed they are talking about, then this whole thread can go in a different direction. Two separate things with 2 different answers.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 311 ✭✭ johnnyfruitcake


    I just meant any concrete barrier between floors, I currently live in a house with timber joists supporting the floor and the noise travels through like there's nothing there


  • Registered Users Posts: 311 ✭✭ johnnyfruitcake


    shellda1 wrote:
    I'm just finishing off a two storey timber frame and I have a 50mm concrete screed on the 1st floor so it can certainly be done. Engineer spec'd 253mm eco joists to support the weight and spans.


    Thanks for the reply.
    What company did you use to do the timber frame?

    Why did you decide to go for timber over block?

    Trying to figure out which suits me best.


  • Registered Users Posts: 35 shellda1


    Thanks for the reply.
    What company did you use to do the timber frame?

    Why did you decide to go for timber over block?

    Trying to figure out which suits me best.

    I had -snip- do the timber frame kit but I would not recommend them to anyone. They delayed us for months and their quality of workmanship and attitude was terrible.

    Ironically I went with timber frame for speed, I wanted to be in the house for September for kids starting school but because of the supplier and covid that didn't happen. Also I wanted to get as close to passive spec as i could.

    If going timber frame I would advise to get an NSAI certified company to do it for you.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,251 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Gumbo


    shellda1 wrote: »
    I had -snip- do the timber frame kit but I would not recommend them to anyone. They delayed us for months and their quality of workmanship and attitude was terrible.

    Ironically I went with timber frame for speed, I wanted to be in the house for September for kids starting school but because of the supplier and covid that didn't happen. Also I wanted to get as close to passive spec as i could.

    If going timber frame I would advise to get an NSAI certified company to do it for you.

    Legally they have to be registered with the NSAI.


  • Registered Users Posts: 35 shellda1


    Gumbo wrote: »
    Legally they have to be registered with the NSAI.

    Wasn't aware of that, anywhere I can get info on that?


  • Registered Users Posts: 601 ✭✭✭ RandRuns


    shellda1 wrote: »
    Wasn't aware of that, anywhere I can get info on that?

    https://www.thenbs.com/PublicationIndex/documents/details?Pub=NSAI&DocID=306403


  • Registered Users Posts: 601 ✭✭✭ RandRuns


    Gumbo wrote: »
    Legally they have to be registered with the NSAI.

    I remember some controversy on a development where it turned out the timber frame supplier didn't have NSAI certification recently enough, wonder is this the same company.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,777 ✭✭✭✭ mickdw


    Certainly 1st floor screed is no problem and very common with timber frame.
    Hollowcore 1st floor would be crazy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 601 ✭✭✭ RandRuns


    mickdw wrote: »
    Certainly 1st floor screed is no problem and very common with timber frame.
    Hollowcore 1st floor would be crazy.

    The only way to do a slab first floor would be to build block or steel supports, negating the point in going TF in the first place.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,777 ✭✭✭✭ mickdw


    RandRuns wrote: »
    The only way to do a slab first floor would be to build block or steel supports, negating the point in going TF in the first place.

    Yes id agree fully. While its common to have alot of steel built into larger timber frame structures, wanting a hollowcore first floor would basically result in a steel framed structure with timber infill.
    No sense at all to that.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 12 Jacobs_Stripe


    Hey just hopping on the post here, hope you don’t mind.

    Just a quick question.. does anyone know what quality timber new builds are built to these days?

    And generally what is the pros and cons for timber new builds v’s concrete builds?

    If the timber new build is A2 energy rating does it mean that it has concrete in it already has it would have to be heavily insulated? TIA


  • Registered Users Posts: 11 M1andM2


    Hey,

    Did you get any recommendations or warnings for Timber Frame companies? Would you mind sending me a PM of them if you have please? Looking to build a Timber frame and want to compare the quote to any reviews.

    Thanks.



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