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Young Irish Players

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  • #52
    CrazyFather1
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    bayern wrote: »
    Crowley had the option to move but decided not to.

    I am aware, but I am sure the IRFU and Munster had a hand in that, they should have helping him in the move for 1-2 years


  • #53
    UAEguy2020
    Registered Users Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭UAEguy2020


    CrazyFather1 wrote: »
    Crowley - 21
    Byrne - 21
    Healy - 21

    That is just a view of the talent Ireland has at 21.
    If a player like Crowley wants to move and can put into contract XYZ. Then why stop him, I am not talking about just letting them loose, the IRFU would have to put in some sort of program which allowed them to move and come back.
    It's an idea which a few seem to want to throw up excuses why it shouldn't work. I am looking at the positives. Having just 4 provinces is creating a road block for talent.

    Having 4 provinces is plenty...

    Keeping Hanrahan who will never be good enough for Ireland and blocking the Irish pathway for 2 young 10s is the problem.


  • #54
    CrazyFather1
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    UAEguy2020 wrote: »
    Having 4 provinces is plenty...

    Keeping Hanrahan who will never be good enough for Ireland and blocking the Irish pathway for 2 young 10s is the problem.

    The Irish game is built on club stalwarts, Jonny Holland etc.
    Its a mix and match, in this scenario, not just for Munster but all the provinces they should move someone to get experience. So let Crowley go, return in 1-2 seasons, if he kicks on then great in 2 years he comes back. If Healy kicks on then even better they have two players


  • #55
    Lost Ormond
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    UAEguy2020 wrote: »
    Having 4 provinces is plenty...

    Keeping Hanrahan who will never be good enough for Ireland and blocking the Irish pathway for 2 young 10s is the problem.
    You cant get rid of all the many guys who wont ever be good enough/play for Ireland though.
    You dont know how Carbery will be if he even comes back playing. The young 10s will get plenty of game time and of the 3 young guys 1 of them will most likely end up playing 12/15 any way


  • #56
    UAEguy2020
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    Lost Ormond wrote: »
    You cant get rid of all the many guys who wont ever be good enough/play for Ireland though.
    You dont know how Carbery will be if he even comes back playing. The young 10s will get plenty of game time and of the 3 young guys 1 of them will most likely end up playing 12/15 any way

    I’m okay with that but they must add something to the cause (in Munsters case someone like Billy Holland is good in this regard) someone like Hanrahan is only sticking around because he’s Munsters only experienced 10, not because he’s very good and that’s the issue we have. We have enough teams that we can find ways of getting players game time, simply throwing the hands in the air and saying we don’t have enough teams isn’t a valid excuse here as we have enough to get the best out of what we have.


  • #57
    UAEguy2020
    Registered Users Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭UAEguy2020


    CrazyFather1 wrote: »
    The Irish game is built on club stalwarts, Jonny Holland etc.
    Its a mix and match, in this scenario, not just for Munster but all the provinces they should move someone to get experience. So let Crowley go, return in 1-2 seasons, if he kicks on then great in 2 years he comes back. If Healy kicks on then even better they have two players

    Billy Holland is good to keep as he doesn’t make a difference

    Someone like Hanrahan, Cronin, Cloete etc should be moved on as it’s blocking potential game time for Wycherley, Healy,Crowley, Hodnett etc


  • #58
    Jizique
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    UAEguy2020 wrote: »
    Having 4 provinces is plenty...

    Keeping Hanrahan who will never be good enough for Ireland and blocking the Irish pathway for 2 young 10s is the problem.

    Surely the same applies to Sexton who is blocking the path at Leinster, and very expensively at that.
    I know he needs to max out his career earnings but that is where the biggest blockage is.


  • #59
    UAEguy2020
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    Jizique wrote: »
    Surely the same applies to Sexton who is blocking the path at Leinster, and very expensively at that.
    I know he needs to max out his career earnings but that is where the biggest blockage is.

    Not exactly, he’s the current Irish captain and can still do a job of Leinster, big difference between that and a journeyman.


  • #60
    Jizique
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,947 ✭✭✭Jizique


    UAEguy2020 wrote: »
    Not exactly, he’s the current Irish captain and can still do a job of Leinster, big difference between that and a journeyman.

    He shouldn’t be captain - need to build for the future, need to give young guys a chance at leinster


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  • #61
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,836 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    CrazyFather1 wrote: »
    .....

    I thought the ROG move for Crowley should have been allowed,....?

    what do you mean "allowed" ?

    the move wasnt blocked.
    the player himself didnt want to go.


  • #62
    theVersatile
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    The one thing people seem to be missing is that there's no guarantee that Crolwey returns if he goes to France for two years. He goes through their academy, gets JIFF status, and is paid a bucket load of money - how are Munster (or any of the provinces) going to lure him back?
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  • #63
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,409 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    theVersatile wrote: »
    The one thing people seem to be missing is that there's no guarantee that Crolwey returns if he goes to France for two years. He goes through their academy, gets JIFF status, and is paid a bucket load of money - how are Munster (or any of the provinces) going to lure him back?

    Also how many teams good enough for this to be worthwhile are going to take a young unproven out half and give him enough pitch time to make it worthwhile for one season or even two.


  • #64
    CrazyFather1
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    theVersatile wrote: »
    The one thing people seem to be missing is that there's no guarantee that Crolwey returns if he goes to France for two years. He goes through their academy, gets JIFF status, and is paid a bucket load of money - how are Munster (or any of the provinces) going to lure him back?

    None of these players moving over would be valid for JIFF.

    Also it would have to be managed by IRFU/munster etc. They could easily write into contract that after X years they get first option on the player to re-sign him.

    At the same time as LNR announced the salary cap, it also announced new rules requiring a minimum percentage of French players on club rosters. Players qualifying under these rules, referred to in French as JIFF (joueurs issus des filières de formation, loosely translated as "academy-trained players"), must have been registered with the FFR for at least five years before turning 23, or have spent three seasons in an FFR-approved training centre before turning 21


  • #65
    CrazyFather1
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    salmocab wrote: »
    Also how many teams good enough for this to be worthwhile are going to take a young unproven out half and give him enough pitch time to make it worthwhile for one season or even two.

    This was discussed on the podcast. Clubs are always looking for players.
    If it was a real talent the IRFU could also part fund the players wages. Loads of options.
    It's not like it hasn't been done before, France done it with the current young players and it happens all the time in soccer.


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