Hypocrisy of the highest order

johnboy1298

joe40 wrote: »

Not for essential journeys.

It would be a mistake to turn it down. Not a disaster obviously but on a cost vs benefit analysis the benefits of this trip, and ensuring the continuity of this tradition, far out weigh risks. They could be easily managed. Biden is not going to put himself or staff at any risk.

If the invitation is extended the taoiseach should definitely accept.

If cost vs benefit mattered things would be a lot different than they are.

He shouldn't be going abroad and telling his own people not to at the same time. One rule for all.

monkeybutter

as long as he has to spend 2 weeks holed up in a room in citywest after, then off ya go

meeeeh

If limiting spread of Corona is the problem then attendance of funerals in North should be banned first.

Anyway complete non issue.

meeeeh

johnboy1298 wrote: »

If cost vs benefit mattered things would be a lot different than they are.

He shouldn't be going abroad and telling his own people not to at the same time. One rule for all.

It's never one rule for all. There are people who are allowed to work and people who are not. If your one rule for all holds we should either open pubs and everything else or close hospitals and grocery stores.

weldoninhio

eddie73 wrote: »

There is a big difference between someone going to a European city or for a skiing break for a needless holiday, and the leader of a country going to the most powerful nation on earth to secure business.

It might for some show double standards, but this trip is necessary to try and salvage something out of the ashes of the global economy. It shows forward thinking.

What a load of ballix. Martin will get about 5 minutes with Biden to hand over shamrock. He can talk to him over the phone. He doesn't literally have to lick his arse, its a figure of speech.

joe40

johnboy1298 wrote: »

If cost vs benefit mattered things would be a lot different than they are.

He shouldn't be going abroad and telling his own people not to at the same time. One rule for all.

There are hundreds/thousands of people traveling abroad, and coming here. You can check airport data.
This is an essential business and political trip.

stefanovich

joe40 wrote: »

There are hundreds/thousands of people traveling abroad, and coming here. You can check airport data.
This is an essential business and political trip.

Martin needs to get over there and fellate pronto.

seamus

While I do appreciate any anger or frustration over this, there's a lot implied in the "If I'm invited, I will go" statement.

However, this isn't some off-the-cuff thing, the Taoiseach's office will get notice in advance before any official invitation, and there will be behind-the-scenes discussions between both sides about the optics of such a visit and whether it is appropriate.

Ultimately an official invite of this kind carries a lot of gravitas. Turning it down has political implications. It can be regarded as a snub.

And in the US, this kind of theatre; rubbing shoulders with bigwigs, making saccharine statements about heritage and photo ops; is the currency of business. A refusal to participate could do some real damage to business relations that echo beyond Covid.

Ideally both sides would come to an agreement for a video conference now and an in-person meeting later in the year. But basically if the US says jump, Micháel will have to say "how high", for the sake of the economy,

completedit

seamus wrote: »

While I do appreciate any anger or frustration over this, there's a lot implied in the "If I'm invited, I will go" statement.

However, this isn't some off-the-cuff thing, the Taoiseach's office will get notice in advance before any official invitation, and there will be behind-the-scenes discussions between both sides about the optics of such a visit and whether it is appropriate.

Ultimately an official invite of this kind carries a lot of gravitas. Turning it down has political implications. It can be regarded as a snub.

And in the US, this kind of theatre; rubbing shoulders with bigwigs, making saccharine statements about heritage and photo ops; is the currency of business. A refusal to participate could do some real damage to business relations that echo beyond Covid.

Ideally both sides would come to an agreement for a video conference now and an in-person meeting later in the year. But basically if the US says jump, Micháel will have to say "how high", for the sake of the economy,

If I was an investor I'd be more concerned that the EU doesn't seem to have as much freedom of movement as we were told. Pandemic or no pandemic we were brought up with freedom of movement as a cornerstone of its existence. Now you get fined and potentially quarantined of coming and going from the continent. An island can come across as very cut off in such times.

stefanovich

seamus wrote: »

And in the US, this kind of theatre; rubbing shoulders with bigwigs, making saccharine statements about heritage and photo ops; is the currency of business. A refusal to participate could do some real damage to business relations that echo beyond Covid.

One only has to turn on CNN to see this full theatre in action with their unconstitutional impeachment sham.

Baggly

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