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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,283 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Gumbo


    ted1 wrote: »
    seems to be decent scrappage grants for taxi drivers now. will we see a lot more of then on the streets.

    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2f0f5-launch-of-electric-spsv-grant-scheme-2021/

    Is the model 3 still not allowed? what EV's are allowed be used as taxis?

    Leaf, old and new model.
    I think theres an exemption for the volume capacities for EVs to encourage it. That's how the older Leaf qualified.

    Theres 2 or 3 Leaf taxi drivers on the facebook group.
    Be hard to encourage change over now during a pandemic, the industry has been shattered!


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,858 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    I've seen Tesla Model 3 taxis. Can't think of any reason why it wouldn't be allowed. Some borderline cars have even got an exemption. A Renault Zoe is allowed as a taxi :D :rolleyes:

    The one EV you don't see as a taxi is the Hyundai Ioniq. Because Hyundai invalidate the warranty when it is used as a taxi. Shame on them. What are they afraid of? And of course Nissan Leaf taxis are reasonably common, but mostly the newer model as the older model just lacks the range

    Whenever I see an EV taxi I think: clever man. Bagging all the subsidies and then owning a taxi that only costs a fraction in fuel and maintenance of an ICE taxi. I don't understand why there are all these Prius taxis and very few Leafs and other EVs...

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 61,030 Mod ✭✭✭✭ L1011


    Over the summer, it seemed like we'd defined a standard taxi vehicle for the first time - a silver Prius. 80% of the taxis plying were one! But they're nearly all three to four years old - I suspect the cost of a new one is beyond many drivers hence the lack of even heavily subsidised EVs.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,858 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    L1011 wrote: »
    Over the summer, it seemed like we'd defined a standard taxi vehicle for the first time - a silver Prius. 80% of the taxis plying were one! But they're nearly all three to four years old - I suspect the cost of a new one is beyond many drivers hence the lack of even heavily subsidised EVs.

    There has hardly been a single cheap night ferry between L'pool and Dublin over the last few years before COVID that didn't have a Prius on board driven by its proud new owner taxi driver to be :D

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭ JohnC.


    I’ve seen an eNiro taxi a couple of times.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,055 Mod ✭✭✭✭ slave1


    Wonder are taxi plates cheap these days?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭ cannco253


    Loads of Tesla taxis at Schipol when I was last there, but interesting story below

    https://www.electrive.com/2020/12/09/tesla-in-taxi-trouble-in-holland/


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,283 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Gumbo


    slave1 wrote: »
    Wonder are taxi plates cheap these days?

    You can only buy Wheelchair accessible taxi plates these days.
    I've been there done that, still have my licence and a plate out there.

    The licence is only a couple of hundred euro but the catch is you have to buy a wheelchair car less than 7 years old.

    I remember buying and selling SPSV Plates at over €6k!

    You cant transfer them nowadays :(


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,858 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    Back in the day they were 80k punts! Taxi owners had to take out mortgages for them and drive them with 2 "cosys" 24/7 to make that work and they were still a bunch of bangers :eek:

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,987 ✭✭✭ haphaphap


    Gumbo wrote: »
    You can only buy Wheelchair accessible taxi plates these days.(
    Nissan eNV200 FTW


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,283 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Gumbo


    unkel wrote: »
    Back in the day they were 80k punts! Taxi owners had to take out mortgages for them and drive them with 2 "cosys" 24/7 to make that work and they were still a bunch of bangers :eek:

    I know. They were considered their pension too and over night they lost the value!
    There was uproar.

    I remember a lot of people working as hackney drivers (remember them) as it was too expensive for a plate.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,595 ✭✭✭✭ ted1


    L1011 wrote: »
    Over the summer, it seemed like we'd defined a standard taxi vehicle for the first time - a silver Prius. 80% of the taxis plying were one! But they're nearly all three to four years old - I suspect the cost of a new one is beyond many drivers hence the lack of even heavily subsidised EVs.

    a lot of the Prius are imported and rented to drivers.

    https://www.rentataxidublin.ie/


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 61,030 Mod ✭✭✭✭ L1011


    Gumbo wrote: »
    I remember a lot of people working as hackney drivers (remember them) as it was too expensive for a plate.

    A small proportion of the drivers for my local radio base / whatever Noel Ebbs app is called this week pre-COVID were on hack plates still. Most would be full taxis these days.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,916 ✭✭✭ zg3409


    unkel wrote: »
    I've seen Tesla Model 3 taxis. Can't think of any reason why it wouldn't be allowed. .

    Rear windows heavy heavy default tint, and taxis are not allowed to have tinted rear windows for security. You might be able to replace the rear glass, but might not be able to get from Tesla. I think there is a model 3 taxi in Cork so that person got away with it or did something. There is a Tesla model s taxi in Dublin.

    If it was me I would want far more 50kW+ chargers in the right location for mid shift charging. I would also like pubs and airports to be back to normal.

    A lot of this hybrids on the road are jap imports. Part of the reason is they are highly reliable and can go in EV mode in city centre stop start traffic. They must be cheaper than equivalent diesel for Dublin drivers


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,283 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Gumbo


    zg3409 wrote: »
    Rear windows heavy heavy default tint, and taxis are not allowed to have tinted rear windows for security. You might be able to replace the rear glass, but might not be able to get from Tesla. I think there is a model 3 taxi in Cork so that person got away with it or did something. There is a Tesla model s taxi in Dublin.

    If it was me I would want far more 50kW+ chargers in the right location for mid shift charging. I would also like pubs and airports to be back to normal.

    A lot of this hybrids on the road are jap imports. Part of the reason is they are highly reliable and can go in EV mode in city centre stop start traffic. They must be cheaper than equivalent diesel for Dublin drivers

    Tesla don’t come with rear tints so the factory glass passes the SPSV suitability test.

    In Dublin there is an abundance of charge points to charge mid job, especially with the CCS on the new age Tesla.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,916 ✭✭✭ zg3409


    Gumbo wrote: »
    Tesla don’t come with rear tints so the factory glass passes the SPSV suitability test.

    In Dublin there is an abundance of charge points to charge mid job, especially with the CCS on the new age Tesla.

    This is tint rule (maybe its the S that has the issue)
    Taxis and hackneys,  wheelchair  accessible  taxis  and  wheelchair  accessible  hackneys:  all  windows  must  be ‘clear’,  i.e.  allow  at  least  65%  light  transmission  (no  more  than  35%  tint).  If  the  rear  windows  appear  much darker  than  the  front  side  glass  the  vehicle  will  likely  fail  its  inspection.  There  are  no  window  tint  restrictions  for limousines  but  clear  windscreen  and  front  side  windows  are  needed  for  the  NCT. 

    There is no Tesla on the approved list (last updated 2019 shown here:)

    https://www.nationaltransport.ie/taxi/vehicle-licensing/

    I am not sure why the list is not updated, and it might just be a matter of a phone call, but it might be a hiccup.

    It lists the leaf. A simple thing like not on the list might cause issues. Niro is on the list, the soul is not. Kona non EV failed.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,283 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Gumbo


    zg3409 wrote: »
    This is tint rule (maybe its the S that has the issue)
    Taxis and hackneys,  wheelchair  accessible  taxis  and  wheelchair  accessible  hackneys:  all  windows  must  be ‘clear’,  i.e.  allow  at  least  65%  light  transmission  (no  more  than  35%  tint).  If  the  rear  windows  appear  much darker  than  the  front  side  glass  the  vehicle  will  likely  fail  its  inspection.  There  are  no  window  tint  restrictions  for limousines  but  clear  windscreen  and  front  side  windows  are  needed  for  the  NCT. 

    There is no Tesla on the approved list (last updated 2019 shown here:)

    https://www.nationaltransport.ie/taxi/vehicle-licensing/

    I am not sure why the list is not updated, and it might just be a matter of a phone call, but it might be a hiccup.

    It lists the leaf. A simple thing like not on the list might cause issues. Niro is on the list, the soul is not. Kona non EV failed.

    Model S doesn’t come with rear privacy glass either.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 20,995 Mod ✭✭✭✭ bk


    zg3409 wrote: »
    If it was me I would want far more 50kW+ chargers in the right location for mid shift charging. I would also like pubs and airports to be back to normal.

    There was a very interesting video on Fully Charged this week from Shenzen in China. They have 5,000 EV taxis (and 6,000 buses).

    They have depots for the taxi drivers with lots of fast chargers, but the depots is also a building that includes cafe, cafeteria, gym and health center for the taxi drivers. Get lunch, etc. while waiting for the taxi to charge up. Interesting idea.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P7fTPLSMeI


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,858 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    I saw that a few days ago and the one thing that struck me was the excellent English several of the spokespersons had. They are on a fierce path into the future and as usual, we in the west do all the inventing and the hard expensive work (R&D), they usually follow, but this time they've overtaken us and we are not keeping up

    A million BEV passenger buses, putting down more renewables per year than the rest of the world combined (this is true for wind AND solar PV AND hydro), etc.

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,676 ✭✭✭✭ beauf


    We used t run a hackney and Taxi. Cost of servicing, and maintenance was substantial. Especially with a diesel.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,595 ✭✭✭✭ ted1


    I know that the London taxis did not out well when they tried them here before.

    But would the electric ones be any good ?

    https://www.levc.com/tx-electric-taxi/

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2019/oct/23/first-100-electric-black-cab-for-120-years-launches-in-london


  • Registered Users Posts: 27 Jcb21


    My local taxi man has a leaf and he loves it. Says the savings on fuel are paying for the repayments on the car. He uses a fast charge during his break and says that normally lasts him the rest of his shift.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,595 ✭✭✭✭ ted1


    Looked up their Facebook page. Also have done a lovely looking white Enyaq , Zoe and a M3 along with several other ID4s



  • Registered Users Posts: 365 ✭✭ silver_sky


    Delighted to see EV taxis getting more popular now. Grants are a big help but should have come on much earlier. The fact that taxis will be well able with EV should help to prove their worth to general public also.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭ Kramer


    I've seen a blue Model 3 & 2 separate ID.4s, taxis, in the last few days, in Limerick. There are 2x dedicated DC chargers for them at the train station too.

    About time too! BEV taxis in large urban centres are the textbook definition of a no-brainer.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,858 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    White Model 3 taxi often here around Lucan and also a couple of ID.4

    Fair play to the owners, it's weird that not more of them have copped onto this. Even without the subsidies, full EVs are a no brainer in cities like Kramer said.

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,922 ✭✭✭ CoBo55


    You'd want to be hauling in serious bobs for many years to justify a non granted EV.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,858 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    Not really. The fuel and maintenance savings are enormous if you do well above average annual mileage. And then there is the lack of down time because of ICE maintenance (time is money and the inconvenience of it). The depreciation on an EV is much lower too. And there's the convenience of not having to go out of your way and waste time by fueling up. When you can do it at home. The subsidy on top of all these benefits is like having your cake and eating it. Any EV taxi driver I have spoken to was a very happy man 😁


    But yeah, I agree, it won't work if your EV taxi is just sitting on your drive apart from a Saturday night run and there either is not enough business because of COVID or you are too lazy to put in the hours.

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,922 ✭✭✭ CoBo55


    Thank you vanilla.

    How's Biko?

    Logs back out...



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