Buying from the UK

Thecageyone

I've just been hit with a €25 fee for a package that only cost £29, anyone else experience same? Would using PM or addresspal work still as a UK address? or are we still in for customs hold ups and charges?

I would much rather of course, buy within Ireland, but the prices are already shocking on some sites, and I fear this might worsen because of the clamp down on purchasing from the UK.

corkie

PM is no-longer available.
AP minimum charge is €10 (€6.50 + €3.50 handling fee).

With AP, you will end up paying UK VAT & Duties first and then charge Irish/EU on top of that amount.

See Online Buying & Auctions & Couriers sub forum.

How Brexit affects online buying Update 20th January

Rules out getting Nic affordably from UK.


Who did the order ship with that you where overcharge VAT etc. Shipping is include in the calculations for VAT

Edit: - £29 ~~ €32.83 * 21% Vat = €6.89 so surplus would be courier fees and handling charges?

Edit 2: - Who ever is the courier they may have overvalued the item for customs.

Thecageyone

corkie wrote: »

PM is no-longer available.
AP minimum charge is €10 (€6.50 + €3.50 handling fee).

With AP, you will end up paying UK VAT & Duties first and then charge Irish/EU on top of that amount.

See Online Buying & Auctions & Couriers sub forum.

How Brexit affects online buying Update 20th January

Rules out getting Nic affordably from UK.


Who did the order ship with that you where overcharge VAT etc. Shipping is include in the calculations for VAT

Edit: - £29 ~~ €32.83 * 21% Vat = €6.89 so surplus would be courier fees and handling charges?

Edit 2: - Who ever is the courier they may have overvalued the item for customs.

Looking into it further looks like the extra charges were from UPS, unfortunately the likes of Darkstar [this order] use them over this side, maybe it's still worth it for larger orders - this order was made a little less painful as I got a free shortfill and if I calculated what the rest would cost ordering in ireland it's still possibly cheaper but something to be wary of.

corkie

Vat calculation would be on all items + shipping.

So if you got complimentary short-fill, it's cost would also be included.

UPS have expensive handling fees for customs.

Thecageyone wrote: »

Just got hit with a €25 charge for a parcel that originally cost just €40, only warning I got was the driver rang me from the next estate over - luckily I had the cash on me, normally wouldn't as I just use my card for everything these days. Safe to say I won't be ordering from anywhere that uses UPS to deliver in future.

Have you revalued your order in the above cross thread post?

Thecageyone

corkie wrote: »

Vat calculation would be on all items + shipping.

So if you got complimentary short-fill, it's cost would also be included.

UPS have expensive handling fees for customs.



Have you revalued your order in the above cross thread post?

No, it was in Sterling, I'm just having a rough guess, didn't actually check what the exchange is atm, it was £29 plus delivery which I rounded up to €40 total in my head. I hadn't included that in my post here is all, wasn't sure if they factored in p+p but seems it is inc. Just checked the invoice, the extra shortfill isn't on the list of purchase - that would have bumped it another £10

corkie

£29 + £5 + £7.50 = £41.50 ~~~ €47.08 * 21% Vat = €9.88
UPS Customs handling fee approx €15
Total: - approx €25

After 31st December 2020 you may be charged import fees on products you order from us that are being delivered outside of the United Kingdom. This is a result of Brexit. We have not increased our shipping but these are import fees we cannot control, that will be charged by the courier on delivery of your products.

www(.)darkstar(.)co(.)uk/delivery

Thecageyone

corkie wrote: »

£29 + £5 + £7.50 = £41.50 ~~~ €47.08 * 21% Vat = €9.88
UPS Customs handling fee approx €15
Total: - approx €25



www(.)darkstar(.)co(.)uk/delivery

Strange I seen none of this, and no £7.50 charge when placing the order. This is the first time I've been hit so was a bit of a bummer - only knew this morn when the courier rang to tell me he was on the way and would need payment, he was decent about it, actually gave out stink on how UPS are dealing with it as nobody he's delivering to seems to know anything about the charges until he calls. I had to give him the whole 25 btw, DS themselves never added any of the charges their end.

I'll have to do some actual calculating, see how much that lot would have cost me inc delivery from an Irish site. I think DS will still be very competitive but hmmm, was I ordering that amount because it was such good value to begin with? €25 on top is quite a chunk. Were it not for that 120ml shortfill [very tasty btw, strawberry watermelon candy] thrown in [it was a special for anyone who ordered on the day, not just for me] I'd be a little more peeved

corkie

I just added the estimated cost of your complimentary short-fill to get that £7.50.

First of all, the carrier, eg UPS or DHL, will likely impose a handling charge for processing goods through customs. At UPS, the charge is €14.50 regardless of the value of the package. So, even if you order a good for $20 (€14.8), you will still have to pay this. This is unrelated to charges imposed by the Revenue.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/personal-finance/deliveries-charges-returns-and-tax-avoiding-the-pitfalls-of-shopping-online-1.1661947
^^^ Old article but is where I go UPS fees from. (Tue, Jan 21, 2014, 01:11)

Thecageyone

corkie wrote: »

I just added the estimated cost of your complimentary short-fill to get that £7.50.



https://www.irishtimes.com/business/personal-finance/deliveries-charges-returns-and-tax-avoiding-the-pitfalls-of-shopping-online-1.1661947
^^^ Old article but is where I go UPS fees from. (Tue, Jan 21, 2014, 01:11)

Hmm, if it's fixed, then larger orders might still be worth, at least I'll know in future about the extra fees - cheers for all the info

Allan45121

I ordered 1ltr 72mg nic plus 5ltr vg from nicotine hub. Courier was dpd. Just looked at tracking and it says it is being returned to the vendor. Can anyone tell me why this might be?

corkie

^^^ Maybe a prohibited item for the Courier (DPD).

https://shipping.dpd.ie/prohibited-items

* Liquids
* Tobacco And Tobacco Products


Edit: - Use to order nicotine to here by using DPD PW but royal mail delivered to NI first.

Along with PM, that service is no longer available.

Address Pal also prohibits liquids,so rules out using them as well.

jonski

We'll have to organise a trip over to England , like a booze cruise except for 1lt bottles of eliquid .

corkie

jonski wrote: »

We'll have to organise a trip over to England , like a booze cruise except for 1lt bottles of eliquid .

You maybe able to walk into a store and buy PG/VG over the counter.
But getting 72mg nicotine would be another matter, because technically they only sell that to business. (loophole in getting deliveries).

If you relative/friends in UK, you could possibly get it delivered to them and collect.

The next hurdle would be bringing it through customs here?

Thecageyone

I've been getting my nic from UK, I only ever order 100ml 72mg and have had no issues to date, but I fear that's now out the window too. They were sending the small plastic bottle in a jiffy bag via An Post, so maybe that's how they got through because it just looks like a harmless little package but not sure that'll pass now

Is our only option now nic shots? PITA

Allan45121

jonski wrote: »

We'll have to organise a trip over to England , like a booze cruise except for 1lt bottles of eliquid .

Definitely, I'm finished all mine and buying eliquid in 10ml bottles. First time in 8 years that I'm buying ready-made juice. It's not quite as cost effective and I haven't found a juice I like yet.

Allan45121

Thecageyone wrote: »

I've been getting my nic from UK, I only ever order 100ml 72mg and have had no issues to date, but I fear that's now out the window too. They were sending the small plastic bottle in a jiffy bag via An Post, so maybe that's how they got through because it just looks like a harmless little package but not sure that'll pass now

Is our only option now nic shots? PITA

Seems that way, but you can't make 18mg juice from nic shots for mtl. Your right, it's a PITA. My folks are in Scotland, but don't know when I'll get over there again with the virus so rampant. But when I do I'll be sure to get a few litres of nic to bring back!

EGriff

I ordered from a site that seemed to be Irish but they have sent me a Royal Mail tracking number, hope I don’t get hit, and if I do I might decline the package, don’t fancy paying double for a 30 quid pod mod.
Maybe it’s coming from the north so will be ok? There is no action on the tracking number yet.

corkie

^^^ What was the site? Did you pay in Euro's or Sterling?

If the site is VAT registered here, you may have already paid Irish VAT even with shipping from UK?

EGriff

Site is called IAMWIZZARD. There is an IE vat number on the site so hopefully that is the case.

corkie

Smartypants, it would be handy for others to know what sites to avoid in future?


Is your 'vinci' still working?

EGriff

I’ll update once it arrives if there was a customs charge or not.

I gave up on the vinci after a few weeks, constantly leaking and gurgling. I am using a Vaporesso xross these days, no issues with that so far.

Thecageyone

EGriff wrote: »

I ordered from a site that seemed to be Irish but they have sent me a Royal Mail tracking number, hope I don’t get hit, and if I do I might decline the package, don’t fancy paying double for a 30 quid pod mod.
Maybe it’s coming from the north so will be ok? There is no action on the tracking number yet.

Fingers crossed for ya, as I got no indication of any charges until it was about to arrive - when I checked tracking it was originally due to arrive on Monday, next time I checked that had changed to Weds and the reason was customs check - I kinda knew then but heard no more - it actually arrived on the Tues and only for the driver ringing me in advance I woul dhave had zero clue that there was charges

Allan45121

ok, I'm out of nic, DIY'd for the last 7/8 years. It seems my only option is to buy nic shots. I'm trying to reach a high nic in my juice for mtl on a Caliburn G. Might be a stupid question but can I just add flavours to vg nic shots and vape it? With 10% flavour it would work out at about 16mg juice. Any issue here?

youcancallmeal

I ordered 500ml 72mg nic from nicotine hub in November. It should last me at least a year, just hoping by time I need to order again there will be some better trade process in place between Ireland and the UK. Is there any options in the EU for ordering nic I wonder?

Allan45121

youcancallmeal wrote: »

I orderekd 500ml 72mg nic from nicotine hub in November. It should last me at least a year, just hoping by time I need to order again there will be some better trade process in place between Ireland and the UK. Is there any options in the EU for ordering nic I wonder?

The whole eu is covered by the tpd so only 18mg in 10ml bottles, as far as i know.

Thecageyone

Allan45121 wrote: »

ok, I'm out of nic, DIY'd for the last 7/8 years. It seems my only option is to buy nic shots. I'm trying to reach a high nic in my juice for mtl on a Caliburn G. Might be a stupid question but can I just add flavours to vg nic shots and vape it? With 10% flavour it would work out at about 16mg juice. Any issue here?

Can't see why not, it's just a PG/VG mix with nic to start, same as any juice minus the flavouring. Get a 100ml bottle, throw 9 of them in there and your 10% flavouring and it'll do for a while in pods

Sucks that we are reduced to this though, I'm not so bad as I mostly vape 3mg, so 2 shots sees me ok for 120ml juice, I think it's just over 4mg if I mix in a 100ml bottle. I do 6mg in pods, so I'll just make up 50ml of something and add 2 shots there too. Any sites doing bulk on the shots?

Allan45121

Thecageyone wrote: »

Can't see why not, it's just a PG/VG mix with nic to start, same as any juice minus the flavouring. Get a 100ml bottle, throw 9 of them in there and your 10% flavouring and it'll do for a while in pods

Sucks that we are reduced to this though, I'm not so bad as I mostly vape 3mg, so 2 shots sees me ok for 120ml juice, I think it's just over 4mg if I mix in a 100ml bottle. I do 6mg in pods, so I'll just make up 50ml of something and add 2 shots there too. Any sites doing bulk on the shots?

Thanks, I ordered from esi. I have some new 60ml bottles, I'll put 5 shots in then I have wiggle room if they need more flavour. This is going to get expensive. It really is a stupid regulation. And all those 10ml bottles going in the bin, crazy.

Thecageyone

Anyone got any Irish sites that aren't over charging for nic shots? That's who should get the business, not the ones looking for €2.50 a pop! Talk about milking it!

It's a sad time for us old school mixers who prefer to do all our mixing from scratch with decent nic. It was always going to happen though, it was hard enough get it through in smaller amounts up till now, but now it's nic shots or nowt it would seem.

I've just ordered a couple short fills from ESI to try for now, see how they go. I like that they inc the shots in the price at least

corkie

Not online, but Dealz have Nic shots for €1.50.

But with them been supplied from 88Vape, with Brexit don't see that lasting long.

Check the store today, out of stock of shortfill I was looking for and other stocks on display seemed low.

Some stores where giving complimentary Nic Shots with shortfills.

wickedvapesshop(.)com/collections/nic-shots-18mg-10ml

Thecageyone

corkie wrote: »

Not online, but Dealz have Nic shots for €1.50.

But with them been supplied from 88Vape, with Brexit don't see that lasting long.

Check the store today, out of stock of shortfill I was looking for and other stocks on display seemed low.

Some stores where giving complimentary Nic Shots with shortfills.

wickedvapesshop(.)com/collections/nic-shots-18mg-10ml

I must check in the euro shops here, I know they do 0nic vapes but not sure if they still do nic shots, if they do I might just have to grab a bunch. On ESI you get 2 shots with each 120ml shortfill which are between 16.99 and 19.99, works out better than the Hale vape stands at least who are charging €17 for a 60ml and you pay extra for the top up shot. The juice on ESI will be superior quality too.

Damn I'm gonna miss whipping up 100ml bottles of my own juice regular for less than €5 all in.

VG is another issue, DS were selling a litre for £3.50, over here they want a tenner for 500ml

corkie

Eurogiant used to sell a 4 pack of Nic Shots for a €5, don't know if they still do.

Thecageyone

Don't think they have that one here in Navan, we have Dealz, Euro Saver and Choice, will check those tomorrow. There's a Hale Vape stand in the shop centre too, will see how much they're charging per nic shot.

nuttyboy79

corkie wrote: »

Eurogiant used to sell a 4 pack of Nic Shots for a €5, don't know if they still do.

ESI sell nic shots for €1.50 each they also do 9mg shots and they also do them in PG and VG.

I'm down to 1mg ish so I find them dead handy.

https://e-smokeireland.com/product/nic-shot-vg/

Thecageyone

nuttyboy79 wrote: »

ESI sell nic shots for €1.50 each they also do 9mg shots and they also do them in PG and VG.

I'm down to 1mg ish so I find them dead handy.

https://e-smokeireland.com/product/nic-shot-vg/

Yeah they seem to be the better of the online crew for shots, though you have to add p&p so only worth if you're buying other items at the time. I have been thinking on a drop to maybe 1.5-2mg, see how it goes, I guess no better time than the present. I need to get myself a new mod also, 510 is starting to come away on my Evdilo

Thecageyone

Found nic shots in town, Euro saver have 5 packs for 7.50, Dealz have 4 packs for €5 which works out a little better. They seem to have plenty in stock, just bought a couple packs, will be back for more ....

EGriff

EGriff wrote: »

I ordered from a site that seemed to be Irish but they have sent me a Royal Mail tracking number, hope I don’t get hit, and if I do I might decline the package, don’t fancy paying double for a 30 quid pod mod.
Maybe it’s coming from the north so will be ok? There is no action on the tracking number yet.

Package arrived. No customs, An Post just dropped it off. All good, it did take a week though.

youcancallmeal

Ordered about €50 worth of e-liquid from novavapes last Thursday. It arrived this morning, no customs fee required. Happy with that as I was fully expecting to have to pay €20-€30 more

Komsomolitz

It seems to be a bit of a gamble as I just got hit with a 25 euro charge from an order from darkstar. Had no issues from a previous order last month.

youcancallmeal

Komsomolitz wrote: »

It seems to be a bit of a gamble as I just got hit with a 25 euro charge from an order from darkstar. Had no issues from a previous order last month.

I wonder is it because the novavapes deliveries don't come in a traditional package, they use a flat cardboard box which fits through letterboxes. The juice bottles are a flat rectangular design to accommodate this.

Thecageyone

Komsomolitz wrote: »

It seems to be a bit of a gamble as I just got hit with a 25 euro charge from an order from darkstar. Had no issues from a previous order last month.

As I said in the OP, I got hit on an order from DS, I contacted them and they said they're looking into alternative courier service for this end. They clearly haven't done so yet, I'm avoiding ordering from them for now, sadly, as I've been ordering from them for about 6-7 years, right back to when we could buy large bottles of 72mg nic without any hassles, good times

Thecageyone

youcancallmeal wrote: »

I wonder is it because the novavapes deliveries don't come in a traditional package, they use a flat cardboard box which fits through letterboxes. The juice bottles are a flat rectangular design to accommodate this.

It's UPS that are adding on the charges, the other companies must use others? The driver himself told me everyone he's delivering to is going nuts over the add on charges on anything from the UK

Komsomolitz

youcancallmeal wrote: »

I wonder is it because the novavapes deliveries don't come in a traditional package, they use a flat cardboard box which fits through letterboxes. The juice bottles are a flat rectangular design to accommodate this.

Well Darkstar do make very distinctive packages, with their custom tape lettering. Though like I said before I had ordered from there before post-brexit without issues. The only difference this time was that I also ordered a 1 liter bottle of base mix this time so perhaps the extra weight got it attention. Last time it went through fine I had just ordered 20 10ml bottles of nicotine shots, which come in a nice small box so it woulda been a smaller package.

Come to think of it though, I think perhaps it's that €22 threshhold for duties that I musta tipped over this time.

Thecageyone wrote: »

As I said in the OP, I got hit on an order from DS, I contacted them and they said they're looking into alternative courier service for this end. They clearly haven't done so yet, I'm avoiding ordering from them for now, sadly, as I've been ordering from them for about 6-7 years, right back to when we could buy large bottles of 72mg nic without any hassles, good times

Yeah I'm a long time customer of theirs too, sucks to think of alternatives now. I'm going to shoot them an email as well and see if it comes to anything.

One thing I have noticed today is a lot of the Irish and N.Irish vape sites are all out of stock on 70/30 base mix. So seems to me like UK vendors are possibly losing some business from all this.

Thecageyone wrote: »

It's UPS that are adding on the charges, the other companies must use others? The driver himself told me everyone he's delivering to is going nuts over the add on charges on anything from the UK

Yeah darkstar are using UPS as well, got the same charges.

Thecageyone

They are definitely losing business, they replied to me about 2 weeks back that they were looking into it, must be still looking ...

I'm due to make an order very soon, maybe even this week, I think I'll give nomnomz uk a try, they run out of NI. Someone has recommended them in here

jonski

Thecageyone wrote: »

I'm due to make an order very soon, maybe even this week, I think I'll give nomnomz uk a try, they run out of NI. Someone has recommended them in here

I got my flavour concentrate in from the UK this week from a private seller but he still marked it as food flavourings

I think that will use up the last of my base mix so I'm going to try nomnomz too .

Thecageyone

jonski wrote: »

I got my flavour concentrate in from the UK this week from a private seller but he still marked it as food flavourings

I think that will use up the last of my base mix so I'm going to try nomnomz too .

They have a more extensive range than DS, providing they have the goods in stock. It's the first place I've found that has all the ingredients for my favorite mix, which saves a bit on p&p from various sites like I've always had to

corkie

Allan45121 wrote: »

I ordered 1ltr 72mg nic plus 5ltr vg from nicotine hub. Courier was dpd. Just looked at tracking and it says it is being returned to the vendor. Can anyone tell me why this might be?

corkie wrote: »

^^^ Maybe a prohibited item for the Courier (DPD).

https://shipping.dpd.ie/prohibited-items

* Liquids
* Tobacco And Tobacco Products


Edit: - Use to order nicotine to here by using DPD PW but royal mail delivered to NI first.

Along with PM, that service is no longer available.

Address Pal also prohibits liquids,so rules out using them as well.

Nicotine Hub is running 20% off promotion this weekend. But based on the above I guess there is no way to order from here anymore?

"International orders start from £11.99 depending on destination and weight"


Also my email account is no-longer valid on site. But still getting promotional emails?

youcancallmeal

corkie wrote: »

Also my email account is no-longer valid on site. But still getting promotional emails?

Yeah same here

Allan45121

Has anyone ever ordered from Hiliq in Poland? I just chatted to them and they say have had no issues shipping nic to ireland. The shipping rates would cripple you though. 30 euro for 1 litre of nic base. But compared to the money I have to spend on nic shots it's a fifth of the price. 1ltr 100mg inc shipping is 80 dollars. For that money, buying nic shots, i'd get 800ml of 18mg. Its Fed Ex they use.
What do you guys think?

youcancallmeal

Allan45121 wrote: »

Has anyone ever ordered from Hiliq in Poland? I just chatted to them and they say have had no issues shipping nic to ireland. The shipping rates would cripple you though. 30 euro for 1 litre of nic base. But compared to the money I have to spend on nic shots it's a fifth of the price. 1ltr 100mg inc shipping is 80 dollars. For that money, buying nic shots, i'd get 800ml of 18mg. Its Fed Ex they use.
What do you guys think?

As a last resort it's not too bad I guess. I'll have a look at ordering from them myself but won't be until later this year when my current nic runs out

jonski

jonski wrote: »

I got my flavour concentrate in from the UK this week from a private seller but he still marked it as food flavourings

I think that will use up the last of my base mix so I'm going to try nomnomz too .

So I finally tried Nomnomz yesterday . I was sure I was running out of pre mix base ( turns out I wasn't - fool ) so I threw in an order to see how it would work . Order arrived this morning with no issues .

Got some pre-mix 70/30 plus some concentrates, didn't bother with Nic as I have a load in the freezer which needs to be used up .

chipfox

Big thanks for nomnomz recommendation. I got way too used to buying concentrates in bulk and only ordered about once a year now