Possible to buy a GPU anywhere?

enfant terrible

Hi guys,

My little bros's RX 570 has died, is there anywhere selling cards at the moment?

Looking at amazon, curry's etc all seem to be sold out.

His budget is around €200.

Would a GTX 1650 or a RX 580 be the best bet for him if I can find one?

SeanW

TLDR; if you can't use onboard video for a while, I recommend you look for a new GeForce 1030 to tide your bro over for at least the next 6 months, because the graphics card market is a total mess. You may be able to revisit the matter in the second half of this year. And that's being optimistic.

Not sure how much you are following the tech news but graphics card availability is a total dumpster fire right now. There is literally almost nothing available to buy new in the enthusiast/gaming space. Unfortunately, given these circumstances, you are in *literally* the only position where anyone would recommend buying a graphics card right now, i.e. that an existing graphics card has given up the proverbial ghost.

If the computer in question has on-board graphics and a CPU that can control a graphics port, you might do well to just live with that for the next 6 months or so. Your other options are to look for a GeForce 1030 or a 1050ti (the only graphics cards available new right now).
CaseKing (Germany) has one GeForce 1050Ti available
https://www.caseking.de/en/pc-components/graphics-cards?p=1&n=48
OverClockers (UK) has a 1050ti for sale:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/palit-geforce-gtx-1050ti-stormx-4096mb-pci-express-gddr5-graphics-card-gx-03t-pl.html
Scan (UK) has a couple of 1030s available:
https://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/gpu-nvidia/all

Another option would be to bid on ebay auctions for things like a GeForce GTX 1650

https://www.ebay.ie/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=nvidia+geforce+1650&_sacat=0&_sop=15

enfant terrible

SeanW wrote: »

TLDR; if you can't use onboard video for a while, I recommend you look for a new GeForce 1030 to tide your bro over for at least the next 6 months, because the graphics card market is a total mess. You may be able to revisit the matter in the second half of this year. And that's being optimistic.

Not sure how much you are following the tech news but graphics card availability is a total dumpster fire right now. There is literally almost nothing available to buy new in the enthusiast/gaming space. Unfortunately, given these circumstances, you are in *literally* the only position where anyone would recommend buying a graphics card right now, i.e. that an existing graphics card has given up the proverbial ghost.

If the computer in question has on-board graphics and a CPU that can control a graphics port, you might do well to just live with that for the next 6 months or so. Your other options are to look for a GeForce 1030 or a 1050ti (the only graphics cards available new right now).
CaseKing (Germany) has one GeForce 1050Ti available
https://www.caseking.de/en/pc-components/graphics-cards?p=1&n=48
OverClockers (UK) has a 1050ti for sale:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/palit-geforce-gtx-1050ti-stormx-4096mb-pci-express-gddr5-graphics-card-gx-03t-pl.html
Scan (UK) has a couple of 1030s available:
https://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/gpu-nvidia/all

Another option would be to bid on ebay auctions for things like a GeForce GTX 1650

https://www.ebay.ie/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=nvidia+geforce+1650&_sacat=0&_sop=15

Thanks for the help.

He has a Ryzen 3600 processor, can that run Fortnite without a graphics card?

This rx 580 is "Unit is in used condition, cleaned and re-pasted."
Would that put you off, this card is in Ireland so could be delivered quickly
https://www.ebay.ie/itm/Sapphire-Nitro-Radeon-RX-580-4GB-GPU-Graphics-Card/164674330797?hash=item26575ae0ad:g:MzUAAOSwWfZgDfMn

SeanW

No. The Ryzen 5 3600 is not APU so, unfortunately on-board video is not an option. As for the ebay link you showed, if you don't mind buying someone's hand-me-down, it's an option to consider.

enfant terrible

SeanW wrote: »

No. The Ryzen 5 3600 is not APU so, unfortunately on-board video is not an option. As for the ebay link you showed, if you don't mind buying someone's hand-me-down, it's an option to consider.

Ya doesn't look like I have much choice, one here bit cheaper from Bulgaria
https://www.ebay.ie/itm/SAPPHIRE-NITRO-Radeon-RX-580-4GB/164651532906?hash=item2655ff026a:g:pT0AAOSwq7Rf6bAYF

Could try get another rx 570, how much do you think that will end up going for?
https://www.ebay.ie/itm/Sapphire-RX570-4G-ITX/293978988936?hash=item4472836188:g:c4MAAOSwdNpgEuNN

enfant terrible

Hi guys,

Before I go buying a new gpu I better make sure its the actual gpu that's dead.

Should the pc power up and display a picture on the monitor even with dead gpu.

At the moment we have nothing on screen so I'm assuming its the gpu.

He has Gigabyte A320M-S2H motherboard
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B078KBKFZ6/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza

minitrue

If the gpu is really dead then no, you won't see anything on the screen. It sounds like a safe bet to say it's all still connected up correctly but worth double checking the cables and that the monitor is set to the right input (and try every output you can on the card and a different cable if you can)? If you have any doubts then ideally you would get a loan of any gpu from somewhere for a few minutes so you could put in to confirm it. Of course the current situation makes that harder then it would usually be if you don't have one handy yourself to test with :-/

enfant terrible

minitrue wrote: »

If the gpu is really dead then no, you won't see anything on the screen. It sounds like a safe bet to say it's all still connected up correctly but worth double checking the cables and that the monitor is set to the right input (and try every output you can on the card and a different cable if you can)? If you have any doubts then ideally you would get a loan of any gpu from somewhere for a few minutes so you could put in to confirm it. Of course the current situation makes that harder then it would usually be if you don't have one handy yourself to test with :-/

How can i check if its the gpu or motherboard.

He says he tried all the ports(display and hdmi) on the gpu and no picture, he also tried the hdmi port on the motherboard and no picture.

He should be getting the bios off the motherboard shouldn't he?

K.O.Kiki

Things to do:

Re-seat all connections: RAM, power plugs, display cables, PCI-express (i.e. unclip & remove GPU, plug it back in to the slot).
Try different display cables/ports on the graphics card (not the motherboard).

But if nothing was touched internally & it powers on without display, it's potentially the GPU.

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Your brother won't get ANYTHING from the motherboard HDMI - the Ryzen 3600 has no onboard iGPU so it can't display anything, ever.

enfant terrible

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Things to do:

Re-seat all connections: RAM, power plugs, display cables, PCI-express (i.e. unclip & remove GPU, plug it back in to the slot).
Try different display cables/ports on the graphics card (not the motherboard).

But if nothing was touched internally & it powers on without display, it's potentially the GPU.

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Your brother won't get ANYTHING from the motherboard HDMI - the Ryzen 3600 has no onboard iGPU so it can't display anything, ever.

Thanks KO,

How would i know if its a motherboard issue and not GPU?

Should have listened to you and not have bought the A320 board.

FileNotFound

enfant terrible wrote: »

Hi guys,

My little bros's RX 570 has died, is there anywhere selling cards at the moment?

Looking at amazon, curry's etc all seem to be sold out.

His budget is around €200.

Would a GTX 1650 or a RX 580 be the best bet for him if I can find one?

Buy nothing from curry's at the moment. Weeks and weeks for delivery. Total sham.


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Donegal Storm

SeanW wrote: »

TLDR; if you can't use onboard video for a while, I recommend you look for a new GeForce 1030 to tide your bro over for at least the next 6 months, because the graphics card market is a total mess. You may be able to revisit the matter in the second half of this year. And that's being optimistic.

Not sure how much you are following the tech news but graphics card availability is a total dumpster fire right now. There is literally almost nothing available to buy new in the enthusiast/gaming space. Unfortunately, given these circumstances, you are in *literally* the only position where anyone would recommend buying a graphics card right now, i.e. that an existing graphics card has given up the proverbial ghost.

If the computer in question has on-board graphics and a CPU that can control a graphics port, you might do well to just live with that for the next 6 months or so. Your other options are to look for a GeForce 1030 or a 1050ti (the only graphics cards available new right now).
CaseKing (Germany) has one GeForce 1050Ti available
https://www.caseking.de/en/pc-components/graphics-cards?p=1&n=48
OverClockers (UK) has a 1050ti for sale:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/palit-geforce-gtx-1050ti-stormx-4096mb-pci-express-gddr5-graphics-card-gx-03t-pl.html
Scan (UK) has a couple of 1030s available:
https://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/gpu-nvidia/all

Another option would be to bid on ebay auctions for things like a GeForce GTX 1650

https://www.ebay.ie/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=nvidia+geforce+1650&_sacat=0&_sop=15

FYI I don't think Scan and Overclockers are delivering to Ireland now because of Brexit. I found a GPU on scan last week, got through to the payments page but couldn't put in an Irish address. Overclockers the same from what I've read

K.O.Kiki

MemoryC still have GTX 750 Ti available - better buy than GT1030 as it outperforms it by nearly 50%.

johnnyskeleton

enfant terrible wrote: »

Thanks KO,

How would i know if its a motherboard issue and not GPU?

Should have listened to you and not have bought the A320 board.

Do the cpu and gpu fans come on? If not then it might be the power supply. If you habe a hard disk does it make a whirring noise? Does tuening the pc on make the monitor go from idle to powered on, even with nothing on screen?

Do you have an old basic graphics card? Any old PCI 2 card from an old computer could work, or if a pal can lend you a more modern card.

Lumen

I have a PALIT 750 Ti sitting around doing nothing if that's any good to you (and you're within range of North Wicklow).

enfant terrible

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Do the cpu and gpu fans come on? If not then it might be the power supply. If you habe a hard disk does it make a whirring noise? Does tuening the pc on make the monitor go from idle to powered on, even with nothing on screen?

Do you have an old basic graphics card? Any old PCI 2 card from an old computer could work, or if a pal can lend you a more modern card.

Got a chance to have a look last night, the CPU fans come on the GPU fans don't, although there is power on the card as the Sapphire sign lights up.

I disconnected the power connector from the GPU and the Sapphire sign stays on so I'm assuming the light is powered off the motherboard slot.

I'm assuming my problem so is the GPU itself or the power cable coming off the power supply going into the GPU?

Will try get a multi meter onto the power connector, what voltage should be going into the card?

Picture attached below, I have the power connector disconnected in the picture.

johnnyskeleton

It might be easier to swap the graphics card out with a basic card. It's kind of a process of elimination so try everything out. If you have canned air it might be no harm to get some of the dust off the card and mobo.

The easiest way to eliminate the Mobo as a problem is to swap out the card with one that works and see will it post. If it does, then the mobo is fine. If it doesn't, then the GPU is fine. But at least you'll know before you buy an expensive replacement part.

Do you have an old pc with a discrete pcie graphics card? Or a friend who can let you use theirs? Whereabouts are you based?

enfant terrible

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

It might be easier to swap the graphics card out with a basic card. It's kind of a process of elimination so try everything out. If you have canned air it might be no harm to get some of the dust off the card and mobo.

The easiest way to eliminate the Mobo as a problem is to swap out the card with one that works and see will it post. If it does, then the mobo is fine. If it doesn't, then the GPU is fine. But at least you'll know before you buy an expensive replacement part.

Do you have an old pc with a discrete pcie graphics card? Or a friend who can let you use theirs? Whereabouts are you based?

Thanks johnny,

Ya my other brother has an old graphics card its a HIS 7850 Fan 1GB GDDR5 PCI-E DVI/HDMI/2xMini DP
http://www.hisdigital.com/un/product2-714.shtml

I think its PCI express so should work in a newer system should it?

I'm also hoping to get a multi meter onto the power cable going into the GPU card.

Am I right in thinking the voltages on pin 1,2, and 3 should be 12V and the rest 0V? on the 8 pin pci express power connector.

Will try cleaning card too.

Thanks for help.

enfant terrible

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

It might be easier to swap the graphics card out with a basic card. It's kind of a process of elimination so try everything out. If you have canned air it might be no harm to get some of the dust off the card and mobo.

The easiest way to eliminate the Mobo as a problem is to swap out the card with one that works and see will it post. If it does, then the mobo is fine. If it doesn't, then the GPU is fine. But at least you'll know before you buy an expensive replacement part.

Do you have an old pc with a discrete pcie graphics card? Or a friend who can let you use theirs? Whereabouts are you based?

Well it didn't post with the old graphics card.

Should the fans on the GPU always spin when powered up?

johnnyskeleton

enfant terrible wrote: »

I think its PCI express so should work in a newer system should it?

Should do yes.

I don't know anything about checking the voltages on the connector I'm afraid.

enfant terrible

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Should do yes.

I don't know anything about checking the voltages on the connector I'm afraid.

Ya old GPU didn't post either.

I'm thinking now issue is with bios.

When he upgraded to a Ryzen 5 3600 we needed to upgrade the bios a few times for it to work.

You need a Ryzen 3 installed in the board(A320) to do this upgrade which we had.

I'm thinking it somehow regressed to an older bios version and now cant post with a Ryzen 5 installed.

Will try put a Ryzen 3 into the board when I get a chance.

SeanW

If you have access to a second PC, I'd suggest trying the graphics card in that, this should tell the tale of whether the graphics card is gone or not. But if you think there's an issue with the CPU/motherboard combo, just be careful you're not confusing CPU terminology, without the model number (e.g. 3600 in your case) the first number after Ryzen means very little in terms of compatibility with a particular chipset.

Both Intel and AMD divide their processors into market segments and they both use the numbers 3,5,7 and 9, and they use these numbers in the same way.

Core i3/Ryzen 3 = value/entry level
Core i5/Ryzen 5 = mid-range/main stream
Core i7/Ryzen 7 = enthusiast
Core i9/Ryzen 9 = highest performance.

Crucially, Ryzen (whatever) without the model number will tell you nothing about the generation of the CPU that it describes, and if you think you need an older model CPU (e.g. from the Zen or Zen+ era) the single-digit number won't tell you what that was.

Davauer

You can repair rx570 or any video card look up reseting the bios of the video card

enfant terrible

SeanW wrote: »

If you have access to a second PC, I'd suggest trying the graphics card in that, this should tell the tale of whether the graphics card is gone or not. But if you think there's an issue with the CPU/motherboard combo, just be careful you're not confusing CPU terminology, without the model number (e.g. 3600 in your case) the first number after Ryzen means very little in terms of compatibility with a particular chipset.

Both Intel and AMD divide their processors into market segments and they both use the numbers 3,5,7 and 9, and they use these numbers in the same way.

Core i3/Ryzen 3 = value/entry level
Core i5/Ryzen 5 = mid-range/main stream
Core i7/Ryzen 7 = enthusiast
Core i9/Ryzen 9 = highest performance.

Crucially, Ryzen (whatever) without the model number will tell you nothing about the generation of the CPU that it describes, and if you think you need an older model CPU (e.g. from the Zen or Zen+ era) the single-digit number won't tell you what that was.

Davauer wrote: »

You can repair rx570 or any video card look up reseting the bios of the video card

Cheers guys I brought PC to work tonight so will have a look.

Gonna try swapping the RAM first.

enfant terrible

My little bro decided to have a go at fixing the pc himself before I brought it to work at its completely dead now.

We had power going to the system, cpu fans and was light on the GPU now everything dead.

I'm going to try get a loan of a new power supply buy I'm thinking the motherboard may be fried.

Would this board fit into this case?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07WC724Z7/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/34vbt6/riotoro-cr488-atx-mid-tower-case-cr488

Will be using a ryzen 5 3600 and rtx 570 GPU.

enfant terrible

So got a loan of the brother power supply and it got us back to where we were originally, have fans on the case and cpu running, light on GPU but no post to bios.

Eventually spotted a lot of bent pins on the CPU, think this happened when little bro decided to try swap back in the Ryzen 3 1200.(he prob also blew power supply here)

So we now have a broken old processor and power supply.

He has his new processor the Ryzen 5 3600, only problem is I took battery out of motherboard(gigabit a320) to try reset bios before I saw broken pins on ryzen 3, we now have no way of updating bios for the ryzen 5.

I don't have Ryzen 5 3600 on me at moment to see if it will work, but that was in the system when it first wouldn't post so I'm still not really sure what the issue is with this system. (maybe the power supply was on the way out?)

I'm thinking the best thing to do is get a new motherboard that will run the Ryzen 5 3600 out of the box, our gigabit a320 won't.

What a mess, any advice badly needed.

minitrue

It would NOT have regressed to an older bios so the board doesn't need reflashing. Have you put the 3600 back in now with the working power supply?

enfant terrible

minitrue wrote: »

It would NOT have regressed to an older bios so the board doesn't need reflashing. Have you put the 3600 back in now with the working power supply?

No I don't have it here can try tomorrow. I thought taking the battery out and jumping the reset pins on board reset the bios to factory default?

enfant terrible

Anyone know any decent cheaper power supplies than these ones I found so far?

https://www.elara.ie/productdetail.aspx?productcode=MMEL741309

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01127D0MY/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&psc=1

Birka

Have a look here:

https://www.maxburns.ie/components/power-supplies?product_list_order=price&product_list_limit=36

Homelander

Is it possible your brother potentially broke it in the first place by messing around with it and then made it even worse by further messing without really knowing what he was doing?

The PC didn't regress by a bios version, that doesn't and can't happen, and it's not because it's an A320M either.

Obviously, failures happen in all components, but it is easy for someone to screw up a manual bios update or by fiddling with settings they don't really know about.

When you say "little" brother it's hard to know if you mean an actual kid or young adult or whatever, but he could know more than he is letting on. I know from experience kids can be desperate for messing with stuff because they saw a YouTube video about overclocking or something and convince themselves that the PC/game will be "so much faster" if they do it.

Also, any new A320M will run a Ryzen 3600 out of the box and has done for a long time. It was only older A320M boards released long before Ryzen 2 that needed a bios update, so you are fine to get another A320M.

enfant terrible

Homelander wrote: »

Is it possible your brother potentially broke it in the first place by messing around with it and then made it even worse by further messing without really knowing what he was doing?

The PC didn't regress by a bios version, that doesn't and can't happen, and it's not because it's an A320M either.

Obviously, failures happen in all components, but it is easy for someone to screw up a manual bios update or by fiddling with settings they don't really know about.

When you say "little" brother it's hard to know if you mean an actual kid or young adult or whatever, but he could know more than he is letting on. I know from experience kids can be desperate for messing with stuff because they saw a YouTube video about overclocking or something and convince themselves that the PC/game will be "so much faster" if they do it.

Also, any new A320M will run a Ryzen 3600 out of the box and has done for a long time. It was only older A320M boards released long before Ryzen 2 that needed a bios update, so you are fine to get another A320M.

Was just talking to him there he's 13, he says he installed FiveM a GTA mod and then it stopped working.

Could this have caused the problem? a virus or something?

Also can I confirm after I removed the motherboard battery for 15 minutes that I now am on the factory default motherboard BIOS?

enfant terrible

minitrue wrote: »

It would NOT have regressed to an older bios so the board doesn't need reflashing. Have you put the 3600 back in now with the working power supply?

Put 3600 back in today no display on monitor at all.

Homelander

enfant terrible wrote: »

Also can I confirm after I removed the motherboard battery for 15 minutes that I now am on the factory default motherboard BIOS?

No, the bios will still be the newer version that you flashed onto it previously. Removing the battery "resets" the settings of the current bios, but doesn't affect the actual bios version.

Think of it like wiping Windows 8 and installing a clean copy of Windows 10, then later resetting the OS. It will of course just reset Win10, it won't magically turn back into Win8.

It's not a bios issue unless your brother messed it up by trying to tinker around with stuff he wasn't sure about. In which case the board could be bricked.

Also a virus wouldn't cause this, no. It's gotten a bit more awkward now because with all the messing about, who knows what's broken or damaged.

enfant terrible

Homelander wrote: »

No, the bios will still be the newer version that you flashed onto it previously. Removing the battery "resets" the settings of the current bios, but doesn't affect the actual bios version.

Think of it like wiping Windows 8 and installing a clean copy of Windows 10, then later resetting the OS. It will of course just reset Win10, it won't magically turn back into Win8.

It's not a bios issue unless your brother messed it up by trying to tinker around with stuff he wasn't sure about. In which case the board could be bricked.

Also a virus wouldn't cause this, no. It's gotten a bit more awkward now because with all the messing about, who knows what's broken or damaged.

Would a dead r stick cause the bios not to post?

I can't actually check ram because I don't have another pc to put it into by other brothers board I'd ddr3

I'm thinking next I might try fix the pins on the ryzen 1200 and see if it posts. Then I'll know the 3600 is faulty.

randomlad1337

Sorry for hijacking the post, it feels like after Brexit its pretty much next to impossible to get a GPU imported over to Ireland. The depression is settling in...

jr1942

Emailed Scan the other day, they said they should be sorting Ireland soon, though a 20% spike in price won't make it the best option to buy at from now on.

enfant terrible

Hi guys,

Got new power supply and installed it and system was completely dead.

Decided to take motherboard out of case and check if system powered up, which it did.

Think problem might have been the motherboard was touching off the case(not on standoffs properly), not sure how my other bothers power supply worked but anyway all working now.

Thanks all for help.