The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118352094#Comment_118352094

Not defending or claiming it cancelled it out. The critics are hypocritical is my point.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118352063#Comment_118352063

I would be pretty pissed if the tax payer had to fund a by-election over a Christmas card.

The indo, in Mr Anti SF angry mode today. Regrettable that they don’t have the same energy on other issues like the homelessness crisis, the rising cost of living, holding vulture funds to account, our underdeveloped health service, the Siteserv, NBP and childrens hospital controversies plus much more.

The Indo resorting to petty SF attacks will do nothing but lose more readers. Defending FG at all costs while they are struggling in the polls might seem a “great idea” to those right wing journo hacks, but the reality couldn’t be more different.

And if anyone thinks that FG are not aware to this gutter low style of Indo journalism, then imo they are truly mistaken!

good to see my local TD SF Violet Anne Wynne calling this out on social media. Not before time too.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118352610#Comment_118352610

Tbh id more peeved about politians abusing public office and the expenses system.......fairly simple solution to your problem here,dont have any messing allowed by politians and fcuk em out and make em earn re-election,if they do

Nothing will ever change here otherwise

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118352077#Comment_118352077

Great to have such a wise contributor to the discussion...

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118352834#Comment_118352834

There's a tradition of TD's using tax payer money to send cards and calendars, (advertisements) to people. It should be stopped and the culprits made refund.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118352852#Comment_118352852

You could get thread banned for using my personal photo.

Brendan Bendar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118352635#Comment_118352635

Good lad ….criticise SF…. It’s petty gutter journalism.

Jaysus !!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118352855#Comment_118352855

Should be banned.....and a serious root & branch review of all allowed expenses....they getting paid more than enough to afford a few stamps and envelobes.....any/all politians found to been abusing this system for personal usage should be forced to resign/have pay cut to the AIW

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118352635#Comment_118352635

Would you ask her while she's at it whether she has been vaccinated.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118352635#Comment_118352635

good to see my local TD SF Violet Anne Wynne calling this out on social media. Not before time too.

It was gas when she made an arse of Mr. 'Sinn Fein don't like white people' when he claimed there were no protestants in SF.

Finty Lemon

The special criminal court showed its value today.

Finty Lemon

FullyComp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118352990#Comment_118352990

https://www.thejournal.ie/sinn-fein-td-urged-to-come-clean-over-e50000-use-of-dail-printer-cartridges-367908-Feb2012/

FullyComp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118352990#Comment_118352990

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/eight-politicians-swear-statements-to-receive-full-expenses-for-lockdown-period-1.4391105

Mark Ward mad for the expenses during lockdown.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118346567#Comment_118346567

There is a very clear turning away from the past Republican movement in Dublin SF.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118351402#Comment_118351402

Seems to me your concerns ring hollow as you spend more time attacking the poster rather than the post.

At the end of the day, SF has been found with their hands in the sweet jar. Sure, they can keep their ABU database, but at a huge cost. They will need to say on ALL their election material that they possess such a database and will have to contact all the people in the database that their names are on there, that is about 210,000 people... which is no mean feat.

If your name is one there, you have a right to ask SF to remove it.

So, are SF going to expose themselves to such an enormous task, or just shut the whole thing down?

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118352635#Comment_118352635

Ah, that is a good one.

Tell us, is there ANY story the Indo can run which in your eyes is fair game when it comes to SF?

Because the usual crew were out yesterday, going on about the biased media at every turn when it came to a few stories about SF..

We hear that a lot, anytime SF get caught doing something they shouldn't be doing, it goes very Trumpian all of a sudden.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118354770#Comment_118354770

SF are riding Indo outrage in to Govt.

Would SF be polling as high without the Indo, unlikely.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118354773#Comment_118354773

Outrage and blaming the media will only get them so far. If they think they are getting a rough ride now, god help them when/if they get into power. It is going to be very very toxic.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118354783#Comment_118354783

The Indo is a fantastic help to them, why would they want it to stop?

Fionn1952

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118354769#Comment_118354769

With three paragraphs from/about the article and part of one addressing your pal's tendency to overstate anything about SF undermining legitimate concerns, I'd say you could do with a bit of work on your maths if you think that I've spent more time, 'attacking' the poster than the post. I think my post addresses the content of Blanch's post rather than any personal aspersions about him/her but if you disagree, feel free to use the report function. I stand by my assertion that when any story like this breaks, rather than a level-headed analysis and criticism, Blanch resorts to hyperbole and overstatement and I fully believe it undermines legitimate criticism. The post I replied to was a perfect example; implying that because the article highlighted that SF were the only party with a bespoke database that they were the only party who had run afoul of the DPC, when the article clearly demonstrated that wasn't the case and that FG/FG/Greens all had their own issues highlighted and recommendations issued.

As for the requirement for SF to correctly inform people that they're storing their data and the right to removal, GOOD! I'm 100% in favour. I don't know why you're throwing this at me as some sort of body blow when I fully support the correct implementation of GDPR regulations. I welcome the recommendations made to all the parties, and the efforts to protect my personal data from the DPC.

Considering it has been national news, I don't think there's much exposure inherent in adding it to their election material; people already know about the database now. As for contacting 210,000 people for permission; well depending on what information they have stored, that really may not be quite as difficult as you think. The bigger blow will be the need to anonymise the data of anyone who doesn't give explicit consent. There will still be value in the anonymised data, though certainly not as much as their wrongfully obtained personal data.

If they DO shut it down? Great, as I said I was uncomfortable with the idea anyway; I highlighted that their database wasn't inherently illegal and they COULD keep it if they wished (implying that it wasn't as murky and menacing as yourself and Blanch were suggesting last time around), not that I was somehow an explicit supporter of it. Given the data-driven nature of the world now, I'd be incredibly surprised if they did so though. If they're the only party with a bespoke database, it would imply to me that they're ahead of the pack when it comes to analytics....a concerning thought for the rabidly anti-SF, and likely too big an advantage to sacrifice for the sake of a small font disclaimer message that everyone already knows about on the bottom of a pamphlet or website etc.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118354765#Comment_118354765

Most of the electorate live in the present. I doubt history was why we saw a shift to SF.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118354783#Comment_118354783

Well its more interesting than the stories. I mean keeping marketing info like others and a Christmas card :)

Brendan Bendar

No sign of Eoin on the airwaves recently, wonder did the lad get a memo from Connolly House to ‘lie low’ for a while?

A bit unusual, one would think as he was wheeled out for every cockfight up to this.

Not a bad lad in fairness.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118355116#Comment_118355116

My guess is that they will shut it down, as there have now been warned of the strict requirements about consent, data control and the privacy issues with having such a system. They know that they will not be able to have 100% compliance within a reasonable working framework and thus if they plow ahead and get caught again with being in breach of GDPR when warned before, it could be a PR disaster for them

So bye bye Abu.

Fionn1952

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118356301#Comment_118356301

Guess being the key word there, Mark.

As I said, data has huge potential value now and if they're using their bespoke database to enable analytics above and beyond that which the other parties are (otherwise why bother having it?), my own guess is that they would be very reluctant to say goodbye.

Implementing a proper GDPR compliant way of obtaining and storing data isn't particularly complex, so I don't think it is the deal breaker you think it is. What do you think is so difficult as to make compliance unobtainable? Countless companies (many with far fewer resources than SF) maintain similarly scaled databases of customer data....what makes it so impossible for a political party to do so?

That does of course raise questions about why it wasn't implemented correctly from the beginning (though I suspect we the answer there ties into taking the easy road and getting that analytics headstart; easier to ask for forgiveness than permission mentality).

blanch152

https://sluggerotoole.com/2021/12/21/adams-doesnt-understand-how-human-conduct-is-coded-in-the-language-we-choose-to-use/

The video from Adams and the reactions to it from people like this writer show clearly how far away from genuine reconcilation and contriteness Sinn Fein actually are. That they and their supporters continue to be blind to the problems of the video and the language they use is desperately sad.

"The consolation that arises is the speed with which the video was removed and the quiet revulsion shared across the community for the politics of out-dated war cries which offer an empty glass to families and individuals thirsty for a peaceful, reconciled and prosperous future."

Hear, hear to this sentence at the end.

blanch152

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-40770687.html

So Mary-Lou now wants infectious people with symptoms to turn up at schools to collect antigen tests!! Does she ever think through what she says?

marieholmfan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118330022#Comment_118330022

I was considering voting for Sinn Fein but I won't now because FG have reminded me of their murky past.

I think that electorally this is a smart strategy for FG. FF and FG need to hammer on the point that the IRA were bad and that if you vote for Sinn Fein (or even think of it) that you are a bad person. Don't get drawn into whataboutery just make the point that if the British did anything wrong they were the rightful government of Northern Ireland and Sinn Fein / IRA were traitors to Britain.