Shed to let out back garden!!

listermint

djan wrote: »

I think that it's a fantastic idea. Gives the opportunity for someone to have their own space at only a bit more than a double bedroom in a house share of that area.

Finish and size is good and with an own door entry to garden it would be nicer to live in than a lot of places up on daft.ie.

End of the day it's seemingly good quality accommodation added to the market thus helping satisfy demand and lower prices. If half the people did this, it would be going for half the price and people would be happy out both ways.

You know something is wrong when people are saying a shed in donaghmede for a grand a month is value.

1874

runawaybishop wrote: »

It won't be insured, it's uninsurable. If the tenant injures themselves the owner will be in a world of trouble.

There is also like 0% chance that shed is compliant with fire safety regulations. We have seen before what can happen to places like that. Probably no access for the fire brigade anyway.

Practically, for the tenant, it will not be insulated up to regs and will be expensive to heat. We should be cracking down on cowboy landlords, people deserve better than this.

I think there is some room for these to be viable, I dont think its a good situation, but we arrived here due to poor regulation and planning of other aspects of housing. Otherwise where were the councils when the likes of Priory Hall were built? are they safe?


imo, if something is energy efficient, electrically safe, what specific fire risks are there for this kind of construction over other houses? old houses with poor or old wiring or wooden framed houses, genuinely?
Access would be an issue, but if there was access an ample side entrance sufficient to park in?

listermint wrote: »

You know something is wrong when people are saying a shed in donaghmede for a grand a month is value.

Thats the one thing I baulked at, if you mean me, 1k is too much, if it was safe, I wouldnt think 500 is unreasonable. My own shed (which I use as a shed) is built better than that (and in many cases, better than some fo the extensions near me), I just never fitted it out for use as a habitable space, but I have seen 2 in my area, Im sure one is on my road, and I'd hazard a guess there are more unseen).

Spanish Eyes

Where I live we have huge long gardens with a gate into a lane at the back too. Ideal for a small habitable dwelling really. Own entrance and all that. Not that I am in the market for anything like that, but not one planning application for structures such as this was approved.

It would surely help the housing situation, subject to regs and controls to do something like this?

Gumbo

TylerRyan28 wrote: »

True yes I would say 95% of them are being used to be lived in . Then again they could have the logcabin built and wait to get reported and no evidence of it being used to live it. Then get a kitchen & bathroom fitted after case is closed. could get reported again after that

It may never get reported.

You also don’t need planning to add a bathroom or kitchen space into a garden room once the use is ancillary to the main dwelling.

Lantus

Great to see the private market providing a solution cheaply and quickly. Seems like a nice little spot.

Trend over next 5 years will be migration out of dublin as work from home allows a total rethink on where to live. You can get an awful lot for your money for a short drive in any direction.

TylerRyan28

Gumbo wrote: »

It may never get reported.

You also don’t need planning to add a bathroom or kitchen space into a garden room once the use is ancillary to the main dwelling.

Yeah true, then what do DCC look for when they come out to inspect it ? A bed ? Fire safety? Access to a public road ?

runawaybishop

TylerRyan28 wrote: »

Yeah true, then what do DCC look for when they come out to inspect it ? A bed ? Fire safety? Access to a public road ?

Evidence it's being lived in basically rather than used as an ancillary to the house. So a bed would be a no-no. They should also be looking at the size, height and position, the external finish and the space left in the garden.

Edit: grabbed these from a random county council website
Can I build a garage?
You can build a garage, carport, shed, greenhouse, kennel for domestic pets etc., as long as it does not extend out in front of the building line of the house and does not exceed 4 metres in height, (if it has a tiled or slated pitched roof), or 3 metres (if it has any other roof type). The floor area limitation for exempted development is 25 square metres.

The structure may not be lived in, used for commercial
purposes or for keeping pigs, poultry, pigeons, ponies or horses. Garages, sheds etc. to the side of the house must match the finish of the house. You cannot reduce the open private space, reserved exclusively for the use of the occupants of the house, at the side or rear of the house below 25 square metres.

weldoninhio

Gumbo wrote: »

You send the complaint to planningenforcement@dublincity.ie

You must include your name and address so that it’s not a fictitious complaint (yes it does happen).

The building owner will then get a Section 152 letter. They have 4 weeks to reply to the council who will carry out a site inspection. This has to happen legally.

Your details are confidential. They will never be released, even to the courts or through FOI. And FOI requests on the file are heavily redacted to remove names, address, email or phone number.

The council will never ask you, the complainant if you are will img to go to court to testify. This is the reason why the inspector inspects the site so the photos he/she takes can be used in court. The inspector is an authorised officer and only their statement, photos and evidence can be used if it goes to court. It would be too unreliable and can be easily argued by the other side.

On a rare occasion your evidence will be required in court to ensure a successful outcome to enforcement action. In such circumstances, you will be asked in advance if you are willing to give evidence.

weldoninhio

djan wrote: »

I think that it's a fantastic idea. Gives the opportunity for someone to have their own space at only a bit more than a double bedroom in a house share of that area.

Finish and size is good and with an own door entry to garden it would be nicer to live in than a lot of places up on daft.ie.

End of the day it's seemingly good quality accommodation added to the market thus helping satisfy demand and lower prices. If half the people did this, it would be going for half the price and people would be happy out both ways.

Yeah, sure building regulations are only there for the craic??

Idbatterim

Report ot to dcc? Dcc are the prime culprits behind the housing " crisis "

mcgragger

Juwwi wrote: »

Presuming the electric comes from the fuse board in the main house if both the main house and the shed both have the electric oven and electric showers on at the same time that's alot of power at the one time ,that's excluding the electric heaters ect ,, these sort of set ups need big fines as a deterrent if they don't fall under the regulations .

Well if the main house has an electric shower then there is a problem.

If both are on at the same time the mains house fuse will pop and if there is a priority switch fitted (which there should be) then only one shower can be on at a time.

Unless the home owner got a mains fuse upgrade from the ESB.

gctest50

mcgragger wrote: »

Well if the main house has an electric shower then there is a problem.

If both are on at the same time the mains house fuse will pop and if there is a priority..............

Amazing the way people look for potential things to whimper about

Just have a hot tank and pumped shower there

Added benefit : the person renting won't have to listen to a cr@p noisy electric shower every morning

The price is a bit much, but the place looks really good, in my opinion.

Assuming the house has a boiler (gas/oil) I would have thought it'd make more sense to run that into the shed for heating, rather than electric storage heaters, though.

fritzelly

That someone thinks they can rent a shed (admittedly nicely fitted out) for a €1000 euro month (and probably get it) just goes to show there is an endemic issue in Ireland

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime

fritzelly wrote: »

That someone thinks they can rent a shed (admittedly nicely fitted out) for a €1000 euro month (and probably get it) just goes to show there is an endemic issue in Ireland

It's a disgrace. And no doubt they only accept cash under the table etc so probably not paying tax either.

I don't care how well kitted out the unit is, it's a disgrace that people are starting to accept a shed in someone's back garden is an acceptable place to live. Even if the rental was half at 500 a month I still wouldn't touch it with a large stick.

It's crap like this that drove me out of ireland, now living in North America and without giving any real details, I'm living in one of the biggest cities, in the middle of downtown in a high rise , well kept 1 bed apartment with bills, internet and underground parking included for $1,100 a month.

If I can have this here, why the hell would anyone pay 1k for a scabby shed in raheny with the owner looking out the back window at you ? Bollox to it, the rental market needs to change big time to prevent the type of crap

jimmycrackcorm

Alias G wrote:

It wouldn't be so galling if it was advertised for low rent. But they have the cheek to ask for 1k.

Nobody has to rent it if they don't want to.

What's the purpose of this thread? To get likes and groupthink outrage?

Op, what reaction are you looking for? It reminds me of that old joke about the guy who asks a woman of he'd sleep with her for a million, she says yes, then he asks her if she's do the same for one hundred.

She's outraged and asks him what does think she is, to wit he replies, we already know, we're just haggling.

If you put that "shed" out in the middle of some nice scenery, no one would complain about the price of rent.

Yet, if you put it in a commutable distance for a city, convenient to work, it becomes an abomination.

My guess... Op loves outrage

fritzelly

A garden shed is still a garden shed no matter where it's located

And in case you hadn't noticed the toilet is in a separate outbuilding- which if I'm not mistaken is totally illegal in Ireland. Great fun in the middle of the night needing a tinkle and it's lashing rain outside

fritzelly

fritzelly wrote: »

And in case you hadn't noticed the toilet is in a separate outbuilding

It's not - that's the utility room.

fritzelly

Deleted User wrote: »

It's not - that's the utility room.

It's the utility room come toilet - watch the video

Strike that - it's his own toilet weird

fritzelly

fritzelly wrote: »

It's the utility room come toilet - watch the video

Strike that - it's his own toilet weird

Some people use their bathroom as a utility room, generally if their house is tight for space. Not my cup of tea, but to each their own. I think he's trying to demonstrate that you have access to it, albeit it's not part of the shed itself.

weldoninhio

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Nobody has to rent it if they don't want to.

What's the purpose of this thread? To get likes and groupthink outrage?

Op, what reaction are you looking for? It reminds me of that old joke about the guy who asks a woman of he'd sleep with her for a million, she says yes, then he asks her if she's do the same for one hundred.

She's outraged and asks him what does think she is, to wit he replies, we already know, we're just haggling.

If you put that "shed" out in the middle of some nice scenery, no one would complain about the price of rent.

Yet, if you put it in a commutable distance for a city, convenient to work, it becomes an abomination.

My guess... Op loves outrage

Why do you think building regulations are in place?

screamer

Hmmm.... I can’t decide if the outrage here is due to a non compliant shed or the fact that someone might benefit from it financially, but there’s a strong whiff of begrudgery anyways. I’m sure the locals are well capable of lodging a compliant if they are affected by it, and of course renters have brains to decide for themselves whether to live in a shed or not

Quantum Erasure

Bid him 500

Supercell

For €1000 its not bad to my eye, in my day I rented far far worse bedsits than that, thats a palace by comparison. No wonder rental prices are insane these days when people think a gaff like this is unacceptable. Sure its the back garden ,so what? its safe, has washers, driers, own shower room, small living room, you lot should have seen what living in a bedsit in the 80's and 90's if you think this is bad.

weldoninhio

screamer wrote: »

Hmmm.... I can’t decide if the outrage here is due to a non compliant shed or the fact that someone might benefit from it financially, but there’s a strong whiff of begrudgery anyways. I’m sure the locals are well capable of lodging a compliant if they are affected by it, and of course renters have brains to decide for themselves whether to live in a shed or not

You don't have to be local to make a complaint. Anyone can.

Claw Hammer

1874 wrote: »

regardless of this place or back garden structures not being legit, the rules around white goods are ridiculous, but a rule on how many hobs are required is just outright stupidity, there are legitimate places that would suit a 2 hob setup, it should be ammended to refer to property size/no. of rooms/occupancy no.

Do people who live in smaller homes not eat the same food as people who live in bigger homes?

JimmyVik

screamer wrote: »

Hmmm.... I can’t decide if the outrage here is due to a non compliant shed or the fact that someone might benefit from it financially, but there’s a strong whiff of begrudgery anyways. I’m sure the locals are well capable of lodging a compliant if they are affected by it, and of course renters have brains to decide for themselves whether to live in a shed or not

We are Irish. Thats what we do

1874

Claw Hammer wrote: »

Do people who live in smaller homes not eat the same food as people who live in bigger homes?

you seem to be permanantly offended by anything to do with accomodation. Its like this, its not my fault the housing market is screwed up, so less of the indignation and a bit more common sense.
How many people do you think can fit into any small property?? lets say a 1 bedsit setup?
I appreciate it was well intentioned, albeit well intentioned but ill informed and inexperienced idiots who killed off more than bedsits with the stroke of a pen, people actually died because of that, people that legally had to be put out on the street.
We are compared to here there and everywhere about what wrong here (and there is plenty) compared to how they do rentals etc elsewhere, yet when it comes to basic common sense somenof the part 4 rules are blatantly for one reason only, they shift the onus of responsibility for housing completely to the private sector, anong which there are a lot of private individuals, should we shut them all down?? and just turn everyone out on the streets too like they did when they shutdown bedsits. Only so many people can fit in a 1 bed bedsit sized setup, so logically that one person would be cooking and eating less food, there is zero reason to have a 4 place hob in a setup of that size.
On a seperate note, Id consider my political opinions/leanings to be socialist, sometines even further, but unrealistic extremists like you put me right off socialism, if you can leave your indignant extreme left aside for a minute, you might see some options other than 2 legs bad 4 legs good or whatever your mantra is.

wench

1874 wrote: »

Only so many people can fit in a 1 bed bedsit sized setup, so logically that one person would be cooking and eating less food, there is zero reason to have a 4 place hob in a setup of that size.

Have you ever cooked a meal? You know you don't put each person's food in a separate pot?
I live alone and can easily use all four rings making dinner - Potatoes, Veg, Meat on a pan, gravy.

Claw Hammer

1874 wrote: »

Only so many people can fit in a 1 bed bedsit sized setup, so logically that one person would be cooking and eating less food, there is zero reason to have a 4 place hob in a setup of that size.
.

I don't care about your political leanings.
People eat the same food no matter how many are in a household. More rings do not mean greater quantities are produced but a greater variety is possible. A person who lives alone should not be obliged to live as if they were on a permanent camping trip.