Construction shutdown... only in Ireland!

the_pen_turner

scwazrh wrote: »

Guys that care about doing it right are only working on allowed works or sitting at home.The lads that are willing to carry out works that should not be in progress are putting money ahead of rules , that attitude usually applies to all rules not just some

i regularly see the good guys out in their vans. they arnt all supposed to be out there but are.

pconn062

scwazrh wrote: »

Any builders who are working where they are “hidden away “ clearly don’t care about government guidelines or rules.If that’s their attitude to public health and a pandemic do you think they will care about something small like building regs while working in your house?

In the event of an insurance claim for any incidents during these non essential works the builder won’t be covered so it will be the homeowner at fault then.

I think it's more a case of they still have bills to pay, mortgages to pay, van repayments etc. The rest of the post is sort of nonsense.

scwazrh

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Or maybe they just want to put food on the table for their kids.

Not everyone is able to work from home on full pay.

So because you have bills to pay you can just ignore the lockdown ?

Risteard81

scwazrh wrote: »

So because you have bills to pay you can just ignore the lockdown ?

Is it OK for Micheál Martin to go galavanting around the USA whilst spitting upon the Irish National Day for the second year running? Is it OK to issue Treasonous and totalitarian edicts which will kill many multiples of the people counted as deaths with COVID?

Corby Trouser Press

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

Am amazed at the lack of discussion or debate about this.

We are the only jurisdiction in the world, as far as I’m aware, who have decided to close most construction down again.

What are the reasons behind this and why are we inflicting this enormous economic and social damage for such little benefit?

Are our public health experts privy to information not available to other jurisdictions experts?

Why is a factory producing goods allowed to continue operating while a site producing homes is shutdown?

Initial period of 3 weeks, now being extended to 8 weeks.

Truly bizarre and almost inexplicable!

Thoughts?

Did you ever been on building site in Ireland ? I am not suprised why they are closed.Dirty,full of vans with Northern reg.

scwazrh

Risteard81 wrote: »

Is it OK for Micheál Martin to go galavanting around the USA whilst spitting upon the Irish National Day for the second year running? Is it OK to issue Treasonous and totalitarian edicts which will kill many multiples of the people counted as deaths with COVID?

No it’s not.
Is it right that my company and it’s staff are sitting at home because we play by the rules but majority of competitors who don’t give a f**k about standards or rules are out working away ?

Risteard81

scwazrh wrote: »

No it’s not.
Is it right that my company and it’s staff are sitting at home because we play by the rules but majority of competitors who don’t give a f**k about standards or rules are out working away ?

What type of tinpot dictator claims to be able to make "rules" at a whim? I do not consider these to be lawful instructions.

jimmycrackcorm

screamer wrote: »

The tax coffers will be vastly affected negatively with the construction workers laid off.

Not as much as laying off PAYE workers.

Corby Trouser Press

Risteard81 wrote: »

What type of tinpot dictator claims to be able to make "rules" at a whim? I do not consider these to be lawful instructions.

Approved by cabinet.
Nothing unlawful about them unfortunately.

tom1ie

lawred2 wrote: »

Oh no... Stay inside people.. there's a virus at your door

FFS

Give your head a shake will you

Lol! Virus spreads in aerosols chief. Hate to break it to ya.

Risteard81

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

Nothing unlawful about them unfortunately.

I fundamentally and completely disagree.

Jinglejangle69

scwazrh wrote: »

So because you have bills to pay you can just ignore the lockdown ?

There is no lockdown.

There is guidelines.

If it comes between feeding your family or sitting at home on 200 euro a week while others are on full pay and our government remain on full pay i know what I would do.

It's every man for himself and always has been from the beginning of time.

tom1ie

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

Right, yeah.

Negligable chance of a lad fit enough to work on his feet all day ending up needing ICU.

Little chance catching on site in any case.

And what if he passes it on to someone who would end up in icu???

yabadabado

Government buildings wrote: »

If I was a nurse in ICU and one of these people came in with covid, I'd send them home.

You would yeah.

You would be out the door as quick as them,if you did that.

FFS think about what you are saying for a minute 🀣🀣

tom1ie

Risteard81 wrote: »

I fundamentally and completely disagree.

Tough ****e. You live here. You’ve to adhere to them like every other citizen should.

Risteard81

tom1ie wrote: »

Tough ****e. You live here. You’ve to adhere to them like every other citizen should.

Not if they're unlawful atually. I suggest you research how the law works.

tom1ie

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

There is no lockdown.

There is guidelines.

If it comes between feeding your family or sitting at home on 200 euro a week while others are on full pay and our government remain on full pay i know what I would do.

It's every man for himself and always has been from the beginning of time.

Well, while I don’t disagree with you 100% this is pretty much why we are where we are.
There is no collective togetherness.

tom1ie

Risteard81 wrote: »

Not if they're unlawful atually. I suggest you research how the law works.

Sure. Too late in the evening to get into a ridiculous conversation with someone who doesn’t give a ****e about trying to suppress a virus in a pandemic.

Stihl waters

Risteard81 wrote: »

Not if they're unlawful atually. I suggest you research how the law works.

Just for arguments sake can you post a link either confirming your beliefs that its unlawful or also if you like the link to where they have the power to shutdown

Corby Trouser Press

tom1ie wrote: »

And what if he passes it on to someone who would end up in icu???

And what if the lad working in the Harvey Norman warehouse packing up TV’s for delivery passes it on to his colleague who passes it on to his granny who ends up in ICU?

Surely if the construction of a roof over your head isn’t essential then having a TV delivered isn’t essential... why are those guys working at all then?

Sure we should just shutdown all work that isn’t food / healthcare / essential maintenance related?

We would be a total outlier in the world but we already are with the construction shutdown... might aswell keep going?

scwazrh

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

There is no lockdown.

There is guidelines.

Is this fact or opinion ?
If it’s fact that it is a guideline only then why is anyone staying at home ?

lawred2

tom1ie wrote: »

Lol! Virus spreads in aerosols chief. Hate to break it to ya.

whoosh

doublejobbing 2

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

And what if the lad working in the Harvey Norman warehouse packing up TV’s for delivery passes it on to his colleague who passes it on to his granny who ends up in ICU?

Surely if the construction of a roof over your head isn’t essential then having a TV delivered isn’t essential... why are those guys working at all then?

Sure we should just shutdown all work that isn’t food / healthcare / essential maintenance related?

We would be a total outlier in the world but we already are with the construction shutdown... might aswell keep going?

Let's call a spade a spade here.

If Covid happened back in 2006, back when not every home had internet, and those that did often had patchy internet that could not support WFH software and Zoom calls, would our society have shut down?

Would it fcuk.

We are where we are now because Leo's most beloved industries, such as the banks and the car insurance companies, can have their staff work from home, so the gouging of the nation's mortgage holders and motorists can go ahead unabated. You really think if WFH wasn't an option Leo would tell the insurance companies that they would just have to give all motorists a flat rate across the board for next year if their underwriters weren't able to get to the office and work out how to rape the customer further this year?

Just imagine a society 15 years ago where the virus was so dangerous that the government only allowed those involved in the supply of food, medicine, electricity to go to work. The other 95 percent of the population would be put on welfare.

Impossible and unaffordable.

We are in this situation because technology allows them to do it to us.

doublejobbing 2

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

This is the cold hard reality of it.

The anecdotes of lads eating lunch together and vans flying around the place and the poor unfortunates working from home on full pay having to listen to construction noise(!) all feed into a narrative where it's "feck ye builders, ye may take some pain now!"

I think there is something in the psyche of Official Ireland that the builder got too big for his boots, earned too much money and was too flashy and caused the property crash so he may suffer now and any chance we can we'll screw him.

Construction Industry Federation have just bent over and took this from the powers that be with hardly a word of complaint.

It's amazing isn't it. Construction workers, the vast majority of whom are now on PUP or vastly reduced EWSS, are by and large all eager to get back to work. None of them are afraid of a virus that is almost unheard of in causing any serious damage to younger relatively healthy people.

Teachers, meanwhile, all seem to be convinced it is Ebola if the statement of their unions is anything to go by.

Wonder what the difference is.......

monkeybutter

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

It's amazing isn't it. Construction workers, the vast majority of whom are now on PUP or vastly reduced EWSS, are by and large all eager to get back to work. None of them are afraid of a virus that is almost unheard of in causing any serious damage to younger relatively healthy people.

Teachers, meanwhile, all seem to be convinced it is Ebola if the statement of their unions is anything to go by.

Wonder what the difference is.......

You don't pay your taxes? 🀭

Government buildings

yabadabado wrote: »

You would yeah.

You would be out the door as quick as them,if you did that.

FFS think about what you are saying for a minute 🀣🀣

If I could, I'd send him home.
Why should I help some tool who hasn't abided by the rules, when there are others to help who did all they could to avoid the covid?

Corby Trouser Press

The decision to close construction was a “collective cabinet” decision and made to “limit the movement of people”.

Would have been nice if a journalist had asked the question at the press conference on Tuesday but I had to ring up and do it myself.

No one can answer as to whether our public health experts have superior information in relation to the risks and benefits of closing construction when compared to other jurisdictions.

Meanwhile a back and forth has developed between opposition and government this week regarding... delivery of housing units and affordability !

You really couldn’t make it up