Lance

Etc · 24-01-2021 5:30pm #1

Part one of the two part doc on BBC 2 tonight @ 10. Supposed to be a really good watch.

bazermc · 24-01-2021 6:32pm

I think it’s on at 11.30 not 10. At least according to my Sky. I have set to record anyway as far too late for me

Etc · 24-01-2021 6:35pm

bazermc wrote: »

I think it’s on at 11.30 not 10. At least according to my Sky. I have set to record anyway as far too late for me

Just checked again, 10-11:35 according to Virgin, like yourself I have it recorded anyway.

bazermc · 24-01-2021 8:24pm

Etc wrote: »

Just checked again, 10-11:35 according to Virgin, like yourself I have it recorded anyway.

Ah. It’s on at 10pm on regular BBC 2 and 11.30 on BBC NI

I’m going to watch the regular BBC one as the nordie accent drives me mad

Tombo2001 · 24-01-2021 8:47pm

Lance for me a is a bit like Trump. The story was always about him. My own view would be - now that he's gone, lets keep him gone.

billyhead · 24-01-2021 9:11pm

Weepsie wrote: »

I presume this is the one bt sport / espn had last year?

Pile of self pitying sociopathic nonsense.

Seen it already and I'd echo this.

Etc · 24-01-2021 9:53pm

Weepsie wrote: »

I presume this is the one bt sport / espn had last year?

Pile of self pitying sociopathic nonsense.

Thanks for the spoiler........

crosstownk · 24-01-2021 10:04pm

Etc wrote: »

Thanks for the spoiler........

Hardly a spoiler given LA's rap sheet.

24-01-2021 10:25pm

They're all hard to listen to. Shows some cultural differences too in how the yanks see kids and sport. Gotta find something they're good at mentality.

velo.2010 · 24-01-2021 10:29pm

Yeah, the irony of many Americans is that they talk about personal freedom etc. yet don't realise that their lives are heavily regimented from an early age.

24-01-2021 10:37pm

There was a netflix documentary I saw ..... can't recall the name it was about girls getting into the porn industry but one of them made the point that if you stay in the town you grew up and worked/took over the family business you were considered a failure ffs????? That's the mentality

Muahahaha · 24-01-2021 11:02pm

This is a fascinating watch, really enjoying it. ESPN really do some superb documentaries

Morris Garren · 24-01-2021 11:02pm

Lance Who?

Just asking

07Lapierre · 25-01-2021 7:57am

Watched it last night. His 100million lawsuit was settled for 5million! Geez he got away lightly! Who says cheating doesn’t pay? :mad:

Macy0161 · 25-01-2021 9:40am

I'll reserve final judgement until Part 2, but didn't think part 1 was too bad. I don't recall him ever admitting that the doping may have been a factor in the cancer spread. Line up of contributors isn't going to be all positive either, but I guess that comes down to the edit.

mamax · 25-01-2021 9:56am

When is part 2 on lads?

07Lapierre · 25-01-2021 10:14am

February 2nd

Etc · 25-01-2021 10:49am

I enjoyed part one, nothing really new in it for me but at least he doesn't hide his personality flaws.

One interesting observation for me was he team mates are all aging a lot better than him.

nc6000 · 25-01-2021 10:53am

I thought it was good and better than The Armstrong Lie so far. Hadn't realised how far off the pace he found himself in Europe when not taking EPO and that doping may have made his cancer worse.

Macy0161 · 25-01-2021 10:57am

nc6000 wrote: »

Hadn't realised how far off the pace he found himself in Europe when not taking EPO and that doping may have made his cancer worse.

I actually thought they'd show Big Mig barrelling by him, which has long been the myth as to when he decided. I think the latter, it's long been suggested, but I'm not aware of him having accepted it until this.

Johnny Jukebox · 25-01-2021 8:14pm

07Lapierre wrote: »

Watched it last night. His 100million lawsuit was settled for 5million! Geez he got away lightly! Who says cheating doesn’t pay? :mad:

I think the lawsuit was spurious and all about USPS saving face. They got more exposure and publicity than they could ever hoped for and I don't believe their "brand" was ever damaged by the subsequent doping disclosures - did people in Kansas really buy less stamps in 2013 because Lance took EPO in 1999 ?

ozzy jr · 25-01-2021 11:12pm

I enjoyed the first part.

Didn’t know much about his early family life. His step dad seemed a bit of a dick.

wrstan · 26-01-2021 4:14pm

I enjoyed this, but felt like there was very little new in it. It was also a bit too sympathetic to Lance for my liking. Hopefully the narrative on Part 2 will be a little less "sure everyone was doing it, Lance was just doing it better than everyone else" - I'm not that optimistic.

bazermc · 26-01-2021 9:33pm

ozzy jr wrote: »

I enjoyed the first part.

Didn’t know much about his early family life. His step dad seemed a bit of a dick.

Apple never falls far from the tree

nc6000 · 28-01-2021 3:46pm

07Lapierre wrote: »

February 2nd

My Sky planner is saying part 2 is on Sunday at 11PM - BBC2

07Lapierre · 28-01-2021 3:52pm

nc6000 wrote: »

My Sky planner is saying part 2 is on Sunday at 11PM - BBC2

So it is! My apologies... i was sure they said the 2nd at the end of Part 1. But then, it was 1am so i was a bit tired!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08qzcr3

KaneToad · 28-01-2021 3:53pm

Weepsie wrote: »

I presume this is the one bt sport / espn had last year?

Pile of self pitying sociopathic nonsense.

I watched it. I can confirm the above is true.

nc6000 · 30-01-2021 6:34pm

07Lapierre wrote: »

So it is! My apologies... i was sure they said the 2nd at the end of Part 1. But then, it was 1am so i was a bit tired!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08qzcr3

I think we're both correct - BBC2 are showing it on Sunday and it's also on BBC2 NI on the 2nd.

31-01-2021 11:04pm

Part 2 starting now.

31-01-2021 11:26pm

I see Ulrich mentioned at the start. I'll say this in Lance's favour at least he gave up his Olympic medal, Ulrich as far as I recall held on to his with the defence sure they were all at it I was only staying competitive. Not sure he was ever officially stripped of them?

Possibly not as it was pre puerto and him being banned in 2006.

Eamonnator · 01-02-2021 12:45am

Bart Knaggs is a very handsome man.

Muahahaha · 01-02-2021 12:57am

A good watch. Though it seems Lance still sees himself as a victim in all of this.

Where does Pat McQuaid fit into all of this, surely as head of the OCI for years while there was a smell of doping about he had to of known? Was it a case of see no evil, hear no evil just to protect the sport?

Cerveza · 01-02-2021 12:58am

We all love the juice.

07Lapierre · 01-02-2021 9:07am

Muahahaha wrote: »

A good watch. Though it seems Lance still sees himself as a victim in all of this.

Where does Pat McQuaid fit into all of this, surely as head of the OCI for years while there was a smell of doping about he had to of known? Was it a case of see no evil, hear no evil just to protect the sport?

He Sure does!

The UCI knew everything, which is why they wrote to him and advised him against returning after he had retired. He got off scot free but deciding to make a comeback, which was a crazy decision and UCI know that.

USADA offered him the same deal they gave to Hincapi,Hamilton and Co. and He refused it. Instead he went for "All or Nothing" and got nothing. Then he rants on about how they are treated differently to him?

He's nuts!

E mac · 01-02-2021 9:14am

Huge ego. Get the impression he'd do it all again if he could. It was telling that he'd advise his son not to do drugs to further his American football career unless he makes it to the NFL &#55357;&#56883;

Macy0161 · 01-02-2021 9:37am

Forgot it was on - I think I've a way to access the player...

Weepsie wrote: »

Ulrich lost everything else though didn't he?while lance is still a multi-millionaire.

Whether Ulrich is wealthy or not, he was pretty much f*cked up by the sport to the degree I'd have as a victim as much as a perp. I'm patiently waiting on Friebe's (now long overdue) biography, but I remember reading that he went into 1999 believing it would be clean, and then pretty much mentally killed his career when he realised it wasn't.

Everyone bangs on about how Armstrong is treated differently, but Ulrich pretty much ostracised too (including the German Grand Depart), while team mates like Zabel work away in the sport.

E mac · 01-02-2021 9:48am

It's funny yesterday evening I started watching 'Dark side of the Ring' it's about American wrestlers who's stories are all sad. Drugs, pushing themselves too hard ending up broken in body and mind. I know professional cycling is completely different but still there were parallels

Malcomex · 01-02-2021 9:51am

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Lance for me a is a bit like Trump. The story was always about him. My own view would be - now that he's gone, lets keep him gone.

Is there anything new to tell ?

He prob took more flak than he should have considering the environment he was competing in at the time

Mainly due to his personality and the fact that he won a lot

Macy0161 · 01-02-2021 10:02am

Malcomex wrote: »

Mainly due to his personality and the fact that he won a lot

Totally due to his personality. It must never been forgotten, particularly when the ban comparisons are done, he could've got a reduced ban himself if he'd cooperated. People were prepared to talk because of the way he treated them, and his own ego prevented him from coming clean to the investigation.

Malcomex · 01-02-2021 10:04am

Macy0161 wrote: »

Totally due to his personality. It must never been forgotten, particularly when the ban comparisons are done, he could've got a reduced ban himself if he'd cooperated. People were prepared to talk because of the way he treated them, and his own ego prevented him from coming clean to the investigation.

Ya I mean let's not overlook the prevalence of Epo in the peleton mid- nineties

What was it anecdotally, about 90%?

Thelonious Monk · 01-02-2021 10:18am

Really came across as an absolute wanker and a bully, who has no regrets about anything. He got off lightly if you ask me.
Pat McQuaid was in my Dad's class in school!

Malcomex · 01-02-2021 10:25am

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Really came across as an absolute wanker and a bully, who has no regrets about anything. He got off lightly if you ask me.
Pat McQuaid was in my Dad's class in school!

In comparison to MI who got clean away?

Eamonnator · 01-02-2021 10:34am

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Really came across as an absolute wanker and a bully, who has no regrets about anything. He got off lightly if you ask me.
Pat McQuaid was in my Dad's class in school!

I was on the Board of Cycling Ireland(or whatever it was called then) when Pat Mc Quaid was President of Cycling Ireland.

El_Duderino 09 · 01-02-2021 11:11am

E mac wrote: »

Huge ego. Get the impression he'd do it all again if he could. It was telling that he'd advise his son not to do drugs to further his American football career unless he makes it to the NFL ��

He said he’d tell his son not to do drugs, but I think if the son came to him and said he wanted to dope I think Lance’s response would be “so you’re finally telling me you actually want to win? What took you so long?”

Really enjoyed the documentary though. I mostly avoided coverage of Lance at the time so this was a great overview of the whole thing and what sort of a person Lance is.

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