Gardaí to train park rangers in effort to tackle wildlife crime

cookimonster

http://deeralliance.ie/blog/gardai-to-train-park-rangers-in-effort-to-tackle-wildlife-crime/

Interesting........ hope they use thier powers for good and not to persecute the innocent.

Grizzly 45

Gonna need more bodies on the ground, and as usual, NPWS are recruiting looking for College grads who will work for a pittance wage,and are former RECON scouts,and possible dab hands at outdoor construction work.:rolleyes:

Cass

It doesn't give them anymore powers [NPWS rangers] than they already had, it simply guides them in evidence collection and investigation procedure which can only be a good thing to stop those that commit illegal acts getting away with it on a technicality.

leica

Although I'm totally against any form of cruelty to animals and poaching etc ,
Is this not glorified civil servents going around collecting evidence and writing up reports ? Solicitors and barristers will have a field day surly . Maybe I'm wrong but I'd like to read about the first case brought to court,

meathstevie

leica wrote: »

Although I'm totally against any form of cruelty to animals and poaching etc ,
Is this not glorified civil servents going around collecting evidence and writing up reports ? Solicitors and barristers will have a field day surly . Maybe I'm wrong but I'd like to read about the first case brought to court,

NPWS rangers already have investigative powers and can prosecute people suspected of wildlife crime and they do it quite a bit already. What’s happening is that they’re receiving additional training in how to conduct investigations by AGS who’s expertise in this field is far more substantial than that of the NPWS.

Criminal prosecutions by non-Garda law enforcement are far more common than you’d think. The Dept. for Agriculture and Fisheries and the Dept. for Finance (Revenue and Customs) for example regularly enough prosecute people through the criminal courts.

Solicitors and barristers will deal with these cases in exactly the same way as with any other criminal case. Try to cast doubt on the evidence and the methods in which it was gathered if they’re acting for the suspect and the opposite if they’re prosecuting.

Cass

Exactly meathstevie. ITs being done already and this is just a tightening of the processes which, i'd imagine, is an attempt to increase prosecutions and avoid cases being dismissed.

BattleCorp

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Gonna need more bodies on the ground, and as usual, NPWS are recruiting looking for College grads who will work for a pittance wage,and are former RECON scouts,and possible dab hands at outdoor construction work.:rolleyes:

I think the last time I looked, they were looking for people with degrees who were willing to work for €24k. Joke wages.

meathstevie

BattleCorp wrote: »

I think the last time I looked, they were looking for people with degrees who were willing to work for €24k. Joke wages.

That’s true as well but if you look at starting wages in the public and civil service that’s quite the norm.

Look up starting salaries for nurses, Gardai, teachers, prison officers and so on. The myth of overpaid and underworked state employees is exactly that, a myth. If you work a 24/7 shift pattern allowances and premiums sweeten it a bit.

BattleCorp

meathstevie wrote: »

That’s true as well but if you look at starting wages in the public and civil service that’s quite the norm.

Look up starting salaries for nurses, Gardai, teachers, prison officers and so on. The myth of overpaid and underworked state employee is exactly that, a myth.

It's not the cash cow like before but that's very low for someone with a degree.

Almost €30k for a prison officer starting out, and they don't need a degree. And this figure doesn't include shift allowances, overtime etc.

The HSE recently started taking on H&S people (with a degree/equivalent) for some of the hospitals with a starting salary of €50k.

Teachers start around €31k - €35k. Great perks too.

I'm not arguing with you by the way. I agree with you somewhat but €24k is particularly low. Another example on publicjobs.ie is a Fisheries Officer. €25k but no degree needed.

These roles are clearly not valued by the State.

Grizzly 45

BattleCorp wrote: »

I think the last time I looked, they were looking for people with degrees who were willing to work for €24k. Joke wages.

Still the same.Its on www.publicjobs.ie.
I sincerely would like to know where you will get a degree trained college kid wanting to take on this job, fresh out with that type of degree and a between 40 to 60 K college debt depending on what university you went to.Yes", degree snobbery "is now a thing too with employers. When NGBBs are paying that and a half,or paying off the degree for you, for five years of your life, and your "support" in their causes.? Even if you do get your college degree ranger out in the field, half of them wouldn't know a fish trap or a der snare if they were caught in one themselves.
Great having all these people trained up.But what good is it if you never see one in the field?

BattleCorp

Here's a General Operative job as advertised on irishjobs.ie today. No degree needed.

€559.49 x 52 = €29.093.


Goes to show that jobs such as Park Rangers aren't valued by the State when a Gen Op starts on €29k and a Park Ranger starts on €24k. I'm not knocking Gen Ops by the way, just pointing out the exceptionally poor wages for a job where someone is expected to spend 4 years of their life in college just to be able to apply for it.


Source: https://www.gov.ie/en/organisation-information/a6f25-dafm-upcoming-competitions/#open-competition-for-appointment-to-the-role-of-general-operative-clonakilty

riffmongous

I doubt they'll struggle to find someone though, plenty of people who'd be happy to do that kind of job no matter what the wage, hence you can pay them so low.. stupid but that's how it is nowadays

Grizzly 45

BattleCorp wrote: »

Here's a General Operative job as advertised on irishjobs.ie today. No degree needed.

€559.49 x 52 = €29.093.

Before Tax...:eek:

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Zxthinger

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

BattleCorp wrote: »

Here's a General Operative job as advertised on irishjobs.ie today. No degree needed.

€559.49 x 52 = €29.093.

Before Tax...:eek:

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What you have to remember is this:
Some people have free housing, free schools and free xyz's and thy need to keep low wages to get it.
Once its secured, it open season on overtime.

The public sector is strongly unionised and one hour on a call out puts you in for 4 or 5 hrs over-time.
Work after 12 mid-night and get 8 hrs overtime regardless of your start time and the next day off with pay..

So of these GO's-drivers in the councils are pulling 60-70k a year.. Yes they work for it but a lot have free housing and love the system..

Dont be fooled by low wages. some want this