Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

TheCitizen

Biden is still better than Trump no matter what. There’s no excuse for electing Trump.

Piskin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122317923#Comment_122317923

Inflation, Border Crisis, weak foreign policy, printing money to give to Ukraine & Israel, crime at an all time high…very good reasons indeed!!

Patrick2010

why does Trump still get away with saying he offered Nancy Belosi 10000 national guard troops to protect the Capitol from his supporters when it’s clearly a lie

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122317942#Comment_122317942

Oh really, so has Trump made firm declarations he won't be supporting e.g. Israel or printing money?

Trump had his stooges in Congress blocking proposals to tighten up border.

Republicans just using it as a political football, zero regard for actually trying to sort the issue.

Weak foreign policy, you mean like he should be using foreign policy like Trump did, when he tried to get Ukraine to dig up dirt? That wasn't "weak"?

So nope, not very good reasons at all. Just lame MAGA slogans, backed up by absolutely nothing.

Biden is doing his best with the mess Trump left, and on all the points you list, there is zero evidence Trump's policies would be any better or effective. Or indeed, that Trump actually has a policy, or knows what one is.

This is self discrediting nonsense.

TheCitizen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122317942#Comment_122317942

Nope. Still no reason for voting Trump.

Dick phelan

When I said Biden was a senile mess a few months ago I was accused of defending rape and loving Trump. The best thing that can happen for Trump is to run against Biden. Against some who isn't clearly mentally incapable Trump would be done. Even now we have people in this thread trying to claim Biden is in better physical and mental shape than Trump, we get it you hate Trump but only a fool would think Biden is still capable of being president.

AbusesToilets

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122317942#Comment_122317942

Inflation is being driven by business profiteering, and is coming down. Certainly much better in the US than other developed countries afaik.

Biden's Administration has spearheaded arguably the single greatest victory since the end of WW2. They've bankrolled the destruction of the Russian state, in a way that is actually them paying themselves. All without committing any troops or having to overtly intervene. Counter to that, they've failed completely to act to stop one of the worst human rights violations since Rwanda, and worse, armed the aggressors. That's a serious stain against Biden and no small thing.

Crime is at it's lowest levels in decades. That's an easily verifiable fact.

The border crisis is manufactured fear mongering. For one, the US economy, in particular the agricultural sector, would collapse without those immigrants. That's the great lie at the heart of this nonsense. Republicans would never actually stop them coming in, because they'd be turfed out by businesses. Secondly, the Republicans torpedoed their own harsh Immigration Bill, to give Trump something to rant incoherently about on the campaign trail. Never want to hear another **** word from them complaining about illegal immigration.

Piskin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122317976#Comment_122317976

Plenty of reasons to vote for Trump, he is going to take at least 2 blue states easily

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122317999#Comment_122317999

You haven't given a single policy reason to vote for Trump. I don't think you even care or know. You are just rolling them out as excuses. You've made up your mind you want to vote for a felon, a rapist and a wannabee fascist dictator. You didn't even attempt to explain a single one of his policies. Cos Trump doesn't have any, except ranting the same slogans he did last time out and did nothing about.

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122317990#Comment_122317990

Why are you bringing facts to a Trump debate??? /S

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1806774693178872236

Interesting

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122317885#Comment_122317885

Except 538's simulation is not a national poll. In today's updated results, Biden wins 51 times out of 100 and Trump wins 48 times out of 100.

Piskin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122317990#Comment_122317990

Yet inflation was kept in check under Trumps presidency. The Russian State is far from bankrupt. Crime is at record levels with major stores closing down due to rampant invasions by criminals who will only get a slap on the wrist. Migrant Crisis in American cities that is turning minorities against the Dem's. Biden looked and is weak while Trump looked and is strong, that's what the voters saw in the debate!!

Piskin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122318011#Comment_122318011

Kept inflation in check, tough on illegal immigration by giving more power to ICE. Tax Cut's that propelled a booming Economy etc.

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odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122318043#Comment_122318043

The tax cuts kicked off the inflation. The economy was doing well - thanks to Obama. Trump overheated it. If you are concerned about inflation, you don't go rolling out tax cuts at a time like that.

Says it all about your understanding of economics.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122318031#Comment_122318031

Republicans and Trump cared so much about the border issue, they blocked Biden's proposals to tighten it up. They don't give a damn about the issue except as a political football.

So what's different about Trump's plan that is different to the plan Biden brought to the table and Republicans rejected? Why did they block it?
Just they couldn't let Biden be the one to sort it. That's how much they care about the issue. It's just an issue they use to stoke up their base, and peddle racist dog whistling about immigrant criminals. They have zero interest in resolving the issue, why would they?

We get it, you like 'strong' bullies and rapists. Don't sweat the details, keep lapping up Trump's lies.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122317942#Comment_122317942

Trump has shown zero capability to handle any of these things. Well, that is if you don't agree with allowing Putin to win in Ukraine and inflation to be 'resolved' through the granting of taxbreaks to profiteering industries.

This isn't like 8 years ago where we can claim ignorance as to Trump's ability and motives. He failed utterly in terms of crisis management during Covid. His foreign policy was just 'be beligerent'. He literally enforced the Whip on House Republicans to prevent a border bill being passed, a sure sign that it was likely going to be somewhat effective.

I said a couple of days ago that Biden has been an excellent President FOR the US and I stand by that. I said last September he was likely the best President of my lifetime of paying attention to their performances (His disgraceful attitude to Palestinians has changed that) but as I've just said 'FOR' the US, he has been as good as we've seen no? Signature Covid recovery bills, somewhat positive steps towards climate action, CHIPS and science acts, Infrastructure Investment, freeing of Student Debt etc.

Its incredibly frustrating that we've almost lost entirely the practice of objective analysis and reporting. The media certainly has, for a long time. I reckon future generations will look back on this period with humour at how manipulated everything has become. Biden is absolutely old, and doddery and so on and so on. But so too is Trump, ffs, he's been bleating about a cognitive test for 4 years now which is in itself a sign of how incompetent he is that he thinks passing one is a badge of honour. His latest comments on this now include getting the name of the Dr involved (who is now a sitting congressman) wrong. By all means judge Biden, but acknowledge that there's two people in this race, and neither is at the heights of their powers.

Also, can we stop with this BS of statements like 'crime is at an all time high' without some sort of objective reference.

10 seconds on Google brought me this and if anything has only dropped since Biden came in to office from where it was the day Trump left (leaving aside the direct influence, or lack of, that a President has on national crime statistics).

Piskin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122318058#Comment_122318058

Biden or the powers that be kicked off the inflation, Obama or the powers that be economy was faltering so Trump boosted it by the tax Cut's and his Jobs Act policy. Ireland benefits from corporate tax cuts so really you have no clue about economics

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122317213#Comment_122317213

No it won't. But while Biden's hands are tied by AMERICAN foreign policy with regards to Israel, what the other guy would do is much worse.

And that shouldnt be forgotten.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122318076#Comment_122318076

Doesn't answer the questions put to you.

Your claims have zero credibility, backed up by exactly nothing.

With added conspiracy theory dog whistling "the powers that be". Just because you fall for this nonsense, don't expect anyone paying attention to.

Good way to go about proving you don't have any real understanding of economics or any evidence to support the MAGA lies you are dumping here.

Piskin

How the hell can anyone say that Trump is cognitively worse than Biden is insane…. Trump was sharp & composed the other night.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122318093#Comment_122318093

…because there is plenty of evidence to the contrary from months of Trump rallies where is he has been anything but "sharp & composed".

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122318093#Comment_122318093

I haven't seen Biden do anything as insane as Trump spouting drivel about electrocuting sharks, or bleach during covid. Trump is unhinged. Also a rapist. A felon. Tried to steal an election.
So sharp he cuts himself, as he continually puts himself in contempt of court, or repeats defamatory statements.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122318093#Comment_122318093

Because we're not forming a judgement based on a singular event. Tell us why we should.

dulpit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122318093#Comment_122318093

He wasn't sharp, he just appeared to be sharp. What he actually said was lie after lie. But when compared against Biden he seemed so much more together and composed.

In reality, if Trump gave the exact same performance but was against a younger and less frail candidate then people would have been talking about Trump's deficiencies.

For this reason, they have to get rid of Biden. It's too important a vote to let sentimentality or loyalty get in the way and risk Trump winning.

Piskin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122318118#Comment_122318118

The Dem media has tried to cover up for Biden the last 4 years but the debate the other night was seen by the American people for what it really is. Biden was and is not fit to be president.

Piskin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122318126#Comment_122318126

Trump was sharp. Biden appeared not sharp does that mean he was sharp by your logic? Trump is much more smarter than Biden is or ever was for that matter.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122318134#Comment_122318134

Repub media has tried to cover up for Trump blah blah blah.

Do you see how this can go? Assess both of them what they do/did in the job and how they behave and what they say themselves in public.

I wish I wasn't here defending Biden, I hoped he'd have done a solid first two years in office and then transitioned Harris more and more to a public display of competency and involvement so that right now we'd be preparing for a Harris / Buttigeig or Newsom or whoever ticket but she never stepped up to the plate in this respect (Biden was the last VP who did so BTW).

And as I said in a detailed post half an hour ago, Biden has performed exceptionally well (for the US) as President. That is objective and you can try to ignore that reality and the reality of Trumps term all you want, but doing so is part of the problem that you're ranting about when blaming the media.

Manic Moran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122317813#Comment_122317813

Is there any evidence that she has sent professional emails regardless of which server she used? I mean, I get that VPs are invariably in the background and don't normally do a whole hell of a lot. Runs NASA' Space Council, I think. She was publicly placed in charge of the border crisis, something which was identified as a poisoned chalice at the time. Well, the border is still a disaster, I can't name a single thing she did except visit a couple of central American countries to say "we have to stop migration at the source", and that poisoned chalice is going to now bite. Even Dick Cheney was in the news more, for reasons other than shooting someone on a hunt. (Which, in fairness, Harris has not done, but "I didn't accidently hurt anyone" is a pretty damned low bar to clear after three years"). Even Pence, if he did nothing else, made the decision to follow rule of law on 6 Jan.

I suspect the best precedent will be Wilsons In the 1920s. When Woodrow was medically incapacitated, instead of handing over to the VP, in effect his wife ran the executive branch. Granted, back then the Federal Government didn't actually have much power, so it wasn't, relatively speaking, all that important, but it is a precedent. Not that I'm saying Jill should take over per se, but at least there is a reasonable chance of a "ruling council" to keep things ticking over until better options become available, even if it's just to hand over to Harris some time after the election.

everlast75

Very funny to see Trump supporters trying their hardest to convince others Biden should step aside, while their lad stands there, liable for sexual assault and a convicted felon multiple times over.