Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

brickster69

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https://fortune.com/2023/01/14/more-classified-documents-found-at-biden-home-amid-scrutiny-over-earlier-disclosures/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Ahwell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120108798#Comment_120108798

Yes, but the final paragraph explains why Trump will be indicted and Biden won't.

"In Trump’s case, special counsel Jack Smith is investigating whether anyone sought to obstruct their investigation into the retention of classified records at the Palm Beach estate. Justice Department officials have said Trump’s representatives failed to fully comply with a subpoena that sought the return of classified records, prompting agents to return to the home with a search warrant so they could collect additional materials."

farmingquestion

Joe Biden is not fit to hold office of the Presidency if the same standards for fitness are applied to him as are applied to Trump.

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120108928#Comment_120108928

By what metric, did you read the post above you? Trump obstructed the return of the documents, Biden didn't

Danno

Are these five extra documents dating back to the time Biden served as VP to Obama?

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120108928#Comment_120108928

Because the two happenings are exactly the same, right?

I mean - E.X.A.C.T.L.Y.!?

Danno

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120109504#Comment_120109504

Beyond the point that documents were at either dude's homes regardless - the law is the law. Both wrong.

Manic Moran

I work with US classified information fairly routinely. It's not the sort of thing one can 'accidentally' take out of the secure environment.

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120110192#Comment_120110192

Yes, but one obstructed justice, one didn't.

One complied with the requests.

One didn't.

Are you getting that?

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120110293#Comment_120110293

True. But you can neglect to put it back.

Thing is, when the authorities come looking for them and you, basically, tell them to go and shite to the point when they have to come knocking on your door, then it becomes a different thing entirely.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120110425#Comment_120110425

True but everyone seems to be at it. Seems a whole system change needs to happen. Cant just be uproar about someone that is not liked no matter how much a clown the trump lad is. He tried to argue a different point as POTUS. These others are not.

Manic Moran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120110425#Comment_120110425

Oh, I agree with the 'response' bit once it's been discovered. But the point is it's not supposed to be out there in the first place. There's a reason it's called a 'breach' and all sorts of bad things happen (well, to non-Presidents anyway) even if no harm was done in the end.

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120110429#Comment_120110429

"Everyone seems to be at it" is just simple Tu quoque though. The essential differences are in the details. Trump obstructed the return of these documents to the point where authorities had to act in the way that they did. Biden hasn't done that, even if there are questions to be asked as to why these people had these documents in or around their possession in the first place.

In addition, the so called "uproar" is not over whether someone dislikes a given person or not. It's about the actions of that person subsequent to the discovery. In that respect (as things stand), there's one person who's handed back the specific documentation when it was requested, or found, and another who refused to do so and caused considerable obstruction, until it came time to seize them.

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120110435#Comment_120110435

I don't know why these pieces are withdrawn in the first place and if it's a case that these docs shouldn't be taken out, as it were, then that's an issue for the appropriate authorities to act upon and tighten up.

However, it still doesn't change the fundamental differences that have occurred here, in that when Biden's docs were discovered, they were returned immediately. When Trump's were discovered and asked to be returned, he obstructed and disrupted the legitimate processes for their return for months.

The only similarity here, as far as I can see, is official governmental oversight on behalf of the people who should be aware of such administration, which should be addressed. Other than that, there is no real comparison.

Put simply, one guy had stuff he shouldn't have had and handed it back when it was discovered (by his own people IIRC), the other guy had stuff and refused to hand it over until the state had to go and get take it back.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120110447#Comment_120110447

I get that but he argued he had declassified them. I have no idea if that is true and if that has been established. I assume he will be up on trail for that if that is not the case.

everlast75

This guy has cracked the case...

Or cracked something else...

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120110453#Comment_120110453

He argued that he could do it with his mind, which is completely false

y0ssar1an22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120110340#Comment_120110340

this obstruction is a ginormous smokescreen.

who was allowed to have the documents in the 1st place and who was not?

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120110561#Comment_120110561

Neither but who said they gave them all back but didn't? Obstruction of justice is still a felony

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120110561#Comment_120110561

Sigh.

You say it is a smokescreen because it doesn't suit your narrative.

You go ahead and advise me of what law he (or trump) broke by having those documents where they were.

There is none, or certainly no one was interested in charging over it.

There was no talk of charging Trump... *Until* he started to mess the authorities about.

Then things started to happen.

Can you see it now?

If that is the point things changed, and Biden *isn't* messing the authorities about, then he doesn't get raided or charged.

brickster69

On the files found at Penn, Biden said he was surprised and never knew what was in them.

This suggests he never put them there. So from taking them from the archives Biden had them in his possession and later someone else put them in the Penn office. Who handled these documents and put them there without Biden's knowledge and why ?

Why was this not disclosed by the DOJ to the American people and press until now, very strange that one ?

Surely records are kept at the archives of how many documents have been taken, by whom, when and which ones. Are any left to be returned, if so how many and where are they now ?

Then we get into documents found at his home where his son was living and paying $ 600K rent a year to his Dad, a bit steep that considering how ****ed up he was. Could it be any way possible this son would pop into the garage when his parents were away, photocopy them and fire them off to his Ukrainian and Chinese business partners ?

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120110643#Comment_120110643

Released to the American people??? Yeah sure let's release vital evidence _during_ an investigation JFC

duploelabs

A lot of you need to read this article, the two situations are not the same

https://apnews.com/article/biden-classified-documents-trump-side-by-side-fb2c4ebccdbdbb9039c1c5e227b1da53

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120110690#Comment_120110690

No just the fact that documents were found is enough and that Biden never knew they were there.

Care to answer ?

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120110705#Comment_120110705

Yeah, you don't comment on existing investigation lest it taints a persecution just to appease a rabble. What is wrong with just letting the investigation take place? Why the need on a 'special master' or releasing the names of the individual law officials being released?

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120110704#Comment_120110704

When you agree with Ronny Jackson.....

fergiesfolly

If the Trump case had never happened. He never took, concealed, or obstructed the return of classified documents, how would the issue of Biden having possession of these documents be dealt with. Is it investigation, possible prosecution and possible impeachment?

I despise Trump. A cretinous human, an imbecilic president and a danger to democracy. But you can't ignore the flaws and sins of his predecessors and successors because of that.

Kermit.de.frog

You'd have to say this whole thing is stunningly inept in light of Trump's criminality. Gives Trump supporters an avoidable moral beach head from which to throw stones. Just incompetent really.

Manic Moran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120110448#Comment_120110448

Which is fair.

What's not fair is the idea that "It's not important because Trump's offenses are far worse".

If I were found with classified information at home, even if it was accidental, let alone with full co-operation after discovery, I'd be fired. These things are taken seriously, I had to buy a new non-smart-watch just to get into a place where such materials are kept yet still know what time it is. That's completely irrelevant to the matter that John Smith not only was fired, but he was put in jail, or alternatively if John Smith never existed.

Saying "Trump reacted worse" isn't much of an argument. It's even less an argument anyone cares about if one doesn't like or care much about Trump in the first place. What is relevant is the question of whether or not removal of classified material was a common practice for members of the executive. If it is, then there are two immediate follow-on questions: Why is this the case (and should it stop), and if so, then the finding of materials in any executive possession is in itself less of a scandal. If it is not, then both persons are subject to the same hard issues of violation of security.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120112626#Comment_120112626

By any measure, TFG obstructed justice. This is why he's in trouble, in addition to anything he might've gotten up to with the documents - even if he personally 'declassified' them, sharing names of agents with, say, Saudi Arabia, would be a bad thing.

And yeah, there appears to be a fair amount of sloppiness when it comes to documents and the executive. That's worth fixing for sure.