2020 officially saw a record number of $1 billion weather and climate disasters.

Oneiric 3

Thargor wrote: »

"Its not my disinformation your honour, I just spread it!" :pac:

To wit: 'I can't answer anything Oneric3 has asked of me, your honour, so I'll just fire out the usual baseless labels in the hope that they'll stick'.

Thargor

You posted these lies:

Oneiric 3 wrote: »

At least 6 dead now from the cold in Texas:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/winter-storm-frigid-temperatures-deaths-power-outages/

with millions without power. I wonder why?

Tucker Carlson (oh my God, the horror!) here gives as good an explanation as anyone:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA46v_aMidQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA46v_aMidQ

And there seems to be a new narrative being woven now, as shown in the video above, in that anyone who might dare to question 'the science' is now fair game to be labelled a 'Nazi'. :rolleyes:

I posted the actual case:

Thargor wrote: »

This is pure disinformation, which is going to be a continuing problem for you both if you think climate denial blogs like "notalotofpeopleknowthat" and "notrickszone" (why the stupid names does anyone know? Is it how the bullsh1t artists signal to each other? See also "wattsupwiththat") and Tucker Carlson (lol). The Texas power grid collapses every time they have a bad Winter, also ERCOTs own data shows wind energy is currently generating significantly above forecasts, interesting article here:

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/02/texas-power-grid-crumples-under-the-cold/

Texas refusal to integrate with neighbouring states and refusal to spend money on Winter proofing their infrastructure means power from gas/coal and nuclear all failing to reach customers.

Strange that you would choose to focus on the 20% minority of power produced by wind and ignore the rest, wonder why that would be?

Rebut the point if you want or just throw your toys out of the pram and start calling people bloodthirsty racists, I dont really care, its pretty obvious you have no coherent point to make and just want the last word in the thread.

Pa ElGrande

The narrative says it is supposed to get warmer not colder. The problem now, in Texas, is the lack of sufficient natural gas due to the unprecedented deep cold over the entire state during a period of so-called global warming. The gas production infrastructure can’t handle the cold very well and the natural gas suppliers curtailed gas to selected power plants, so that the population can keep the heat on. It is true that the remaining operating wind turbines are performing better than expected while half the turbines are out of commission because these are not designed or expected to run in freezing rain or ice storms.
Texas has a wind power total nameplate capacity between 25,100 MW and 30,000MW. Oklahoma and other plains states may also experience problems if the cold does not lift soon.


The Texan authorities did not prepare for cold weather, why would they be expected to in an era of global warming, all the models are run exclusively in the "what happens when the world gets 2 degrees warmer" mode. Texas also has to plan for economic expansion, being a major destination for inward migration within the United States.


In Ireland we got off lightly with the recent weather, however, we should not be complacent, Ireland set a new record consumption level in December 2020. Norway recently set a new electricity consumption record. Like it or not, we are becoming more dependent on the electricity grid, month long freezes are an uncommon but not unusual occurrence in Ireland and they usually impact our neighbour at the same time so good luck finding extra supply, it will be a case of load shedding.


When demand exceeds supply or pipeline capacity, natural gas plants drop off-line. There is one major advantage of coal, it can store weeks or even months of fuel right at the generating plant and storage is an even bigger advantage for nuclear. If all our future energy planning is built around unproven models that project warming, what happens when we grow demand for electricity and run into the Winter 1947 scenario?

Oneiric 3

Thargor wrote: »

You posted these lies:
I posted the actual case:

Rebut the point if you want or just throw your toys out of the pram and start calling people bloodthirsty racists, I dont really care, its pretty obvious you have no coherent point to make and just want the last word in the thread.

Again, no answer to any of my points or questions, just the usual meaningless codswallop. But do continue to use your base 'rebuttal' points, such as a selection of these classics below

1. 'Misinformation'
2. 'Conspiracy theory'
3. 'This/these lad/s is/are nut/s'
4. 'The science says'
5. 'Climate blogs'

I have no interest in getting the 'last word', but you firing out labels without any real substance to back them up is not a good look.

And there is nothing 'ol Tuck said in that video that you could call a lie. You are just saying that to keep in vogue with your peers.

Thargor

Oneiric 3 wrote: »

Again, no answer to any of my points or questions, just the usual meaningless codswallop. But do continue to use your base 'rebuttal' points, such as a selection of these classics below

1. 'Misinformation'
2. 'Conspiracy theory'
3. 'This/these lad/s is/are nut/s'
4. 'The science says'
5. 'Climate blogs'

I have no interest in getting the 'last word', but you firing out labels without any real substance to back them up is not a good look.

And there is nothing 'ol Tuck said in that video that you could call a lie. You are just saying that to keep in vogue with your peers.

You didnt have any points, just rambling bullsh1t and lies, thats the problem...

Oh sorry, it was "Ol tuck" doing the lying, nothing to do with you then.

Oneiric 3

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

The Texan authorities did not prepare for cold weather, why would they be expected to in an era of global warming, all the models are run exclusively in the "what happens when the world gets 2 degrees warmer" mode.

And this is a crucial point.

Oneiric 3

Thargor wrote: »

You didnt have any points, just rambling bullsh1t and lies, thats the problem...

Oh sorry, it was "Ol tuck" doing the lying, nothing to do with you then.

Yeah yeah.

Thargor

Oneiric 3 wrote: »

Yeah yeah.

Glad you agree.

Oneiric 3

Climate change to blame for the fatal cold spell across the States, scientists say:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/feb/17/arctic-heating-winter-storms-climate-change

"Associating climate change, normally connected with roasting heat, with an unusual winter storm that has crippled swaths of Texas and brought freezing temperatures across the southern US can seem counterintuitive. But scientists say there is evidence that the rapid heating of the Arctic can help push frigid air from the north pole much further south, possibly to the US-Mexico border."

Gaoth Laidir

Oneiric 3 wrote: »

Climate change to blame for the fatal cold spell across the States, scientists say:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/feb/17/arctic-heating-winter-storms-climate-change

"Associating climate change, normally connected with roasting heat, with an unusual winter storm that has crippled swaths of Texas and brought freezing temperatures across the southern US can seem counterintuitive. But scientists say there is evidence that the rapid heating of the Arctic can help push frigid air from the north pole much further south, possibly to the US-Mexico border."

You forgot to add this bit...

There is no consensus among scientists over the interaction between Arctic heat and cold weather further south – Francis calls the topic an “active area of research”. Global heating is causing warmer winters, and record cold temperatures are now being clearly outpaced by record hot temperatures, but the complex interplay of climatic conditions still requires further scrutiny, to the consternation of some and even mockery among others, including former US presidents.

Oneiric 3

I wonder why that wasn't the headline...

But I'm still intrigued by the 'rapidly heating Arctic is pushing frigid air from the north pole' line.

And funny how 'frigid air' from the Artic when it was in a far colder state never bought temperatures this cold to the southern states when it did occasional visit to the region.

But yeah, scientists say...

Oneiric 3

We can see from this animation just how that warm Artic air pushed down frigid north pole air down over the N American continent:

Nabber

Deep freeze sends Texas electricity prices soaring 10,000%

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/16/business/nightcap-texas-energy-mcdonalds-citibank/index.html

Seems to a calamity of issues there. There is fundamental lack of connection from cold weather disasters to AGW.
If it was tornadoes or floods it would be the leading title of such an event. The usual “Global warming causes extreme flooding/hurricane/tornado devastation”

Where as with the Texas weather the line taking in the media is to defend renewables and tone down the AGW doom and gloom.
It’s bizarre to say the least.

Oneiric 3

Nabber wrote: »

Where as with the Texas weather the line taking in the media is to defend renewables and tone down the AGW doom and gloom

Don't get too comfortable:

"You Can Thank Climate Change For Extreme Weather Patterns Wreaking Havoc in Texas and Across the U.S".

https://www.nbcdfw.com/lx/you-can-thank-climate-change-for-extreme-weather-patterns-wreaking-havoc-in-texas-and-across-the-u-s/2553835/

Gaoth Laidir

Oneiric 3 wrote: »

Don't get too comfortable:

"You Can Thank Climate Change For Extreme Weather Patterns Wreaking Havoc in Texas and Across the U.S".

https://www.nbcdfw.com/lx/you-can-thank-climate-change-for-extreme-weather-patterns-wreaking-havoc-in-texas-and-across-the-u-s/2553835/

There are waves in the jet stream and because of climate change and the warmer air in the Arctic and the largely ice-free Arctic sea, those waves are able to go far south," said Gloninger. "So places like Alaska or Iceland, which today is in the low 40s, is warmer than places like Texas, Louisiana or Oklahoma. That's why we're seeing these extremes."

It's currently full of ice up there!

Nabber

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

It's currently full of ice up there!

Easy now, can't let facts get in the way of an agenda :pac::pac:

Banana Republic 1

Podcast about the blackout in Texas.

https://podcasts.apple.com/ie/podcast/the-daily/id1200361736?i=1000509520078

The podcast is called The Daily and the episode is titled The Blackout in Texas.

Danno

If you've a few moments to spare and in need of a little laugh, take a ride on the mental rollercoaster that is this article: https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/08/02/646/electric-scooters-arent-so-climate-friendly-after-all-lime-bird/

Birdnuts

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Podcast about the blackout in Texas.

https://podcasts.apple.com/ie/podcast/the-daily/id1200361736?i=1000509520078

The podcast is called The Daily and the episode is titled The Blackout in Texas.

https://politics.ie/attachments/1613750582198-png.160387/


This image tells u all you need to know about the black out issue in Texas ie. near total failure of wind/solar when needed most

Banana Republic 1

Birdnuts wrote: »

https://politics.ie/attachments/1613750582198-png.160387/


This image tells u all you need to know about the black out issue in Texas ie. near total failure of wind/solar when needed most

You should have listened to the podcast.

Banana Republic 1

Danno wrote: »

If you've a few moments to spare and in need of a little laugh, take a ride on the mental rollercoaster that is this article: https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/08/02/646/electric-scooters-arent-so-climate-friendly-after-all-lime-bird/

Read the article, three points:
1 The Bikes do reduce emissions, maybe it a small amount in the global scheme but they do. far more significant is the clean breathable air the leave behind, no unburnt hydrocarbons and NOX that destroy lung function.

2 The throw away culture does have to change going into the future, how that will work with capitalism I don’t know.

3 The solution to the polluting vans going around collecting these yokes is below, this particular example is from an English company.

https://cleantechnica.com/files/2016/11/Charge-Electric-Truck.png

Pa ElGrande

Birdnuts wrote: »

https://politics.ie/attachments/1613750582198-png.160387/


This image tells u all you need to know about the black out issue in Texas ie. near total failure of wind/solar when needed most

Random energy generation needs fair weather conditions to operate. Their key problem was their entire infrastructure is not designed for the weather conditions they experienced nor the surge in demand (1,2). Many of the states also experienced blackouts, Texas was the largest. If their grid had been tied into the other grids (which struggled as well) is it not beyond possibility that this event would have pulled down a much larger grid area and affected a lot more people than it did.

There appears to have been a range of problems hitting the Texas power plants, but the common theme was equipment failure at facilities that were not fully prepared for the bitterly cold temperatures they faced. ERCOT had modelled various scenarios for difficult winter conditions, in its Seasonal Assessment of Resource Adequacy, published last November, but it had not reckoned on such a broad-based collapse in the availability of generation capacity.

source

Weeks to Restart Damaged Texas Refineries


The market regulation in Texas makes random energy sources like wind and solar much more competitive that it would otherwise be in different circumstances. The combined cycle gas plants have enough peaking gas power to cover any shortfall, not much good though when the pipes are frozen and demand for electricity surges. What the author of the article below is saying is that ERCOT is an energy only market — meaning that there is no compensation for reserve power, hence the sky high bills for Texans on variable plans. Something they might have to rethink in future.

Traditional planning studies might recognize that wind needs to be backed up by fossil fuel (more so under extreme conditions) such that if you have these backup generators its much cheaper to use and fuel them, than to add wind farms with the accompanying significant investment for concrete, rare earth metals, vast swaths of land …. . Traditional planning approaches often have to go to get around this “bias” of favoring capacity providing resources over intermittent resources.

When capacity value is rewarded, this makes the economics of renewables much less competitive. Texas has stacked the deck to make wind and solar more competitive than they could be in a system that better recognizes the value of dependable resources which can supply capacity benefits. An energy only market helps accomplish the goal of making wind and solar more competitive. Except capacity value is a real value. Ignoring that, as Texas did, comes with real perils.

source

Other factors to consider in Texas are population growth, (25.2 million to 29.3 million between 2010 and 2020), almost all of it in or near major urban centres. Another big issue in the region are ground water aquifers depleting, you may have already heard of the Ogallala Aquifer..

Nabber

Record cold levels in many parts of the world and others seeing coldest winters in 10-15 years.

Wait till the droughts and heat waves come in the summer. Back to "we're all dead"

Green energy would be adopted by almost all of society if it was publicly acknowledged that compliments Fossil fuels as they are still required (short-mid term) and if it didn't come with the unicorn, rainbow fairy dust that people think it is.

It's dirty to make, it's really bad for the local environment and if a resident objects to the eye sores then they are surely Right Wing Nazis. I like green energy, I really dislike the people who champion it as squeaky clean.
Imagine if it was sold on it's merits alone.

Banana Republic 1

Nabber wrote: »

Record cold levels in many parts of the world and others seeing coldest winters in 10-15 years.

Wait till the droughts and heat waves come in the summer. Back to "we're all dead"

Green energy would be adopted by almost all of society if it was publicly acknowledged that compliments Fossil fuels as they are still required (short-mid term) and if it didn't come with the unicorn, rainbow fairy dust that people think it is.

It's dirty to make, it's really bad for the local environment and if a resident objects to the eye sores then they are surely Right Wing Nazis. I like green energy, I really dislike the people who champion it as squeaky clean.
Imagine if it was sold on it's merits alone.

Globally fossil fuel inc gets about $5 trillion in subsidies annually, they're dirty to dig up and dirty to burn. They are horrendous for the environment in so many ways; there is NOX, SO2 and particulate matter that destroys lung function and causes cancers in just about everything that lives on this planet and breaths oxygen. For example the liquid solution used for fracking is radioactive on return and is used in many America states as a deicer on roads and footpaths which intern gets into the drinking water supply.

I recently got a flyer in the post from an anti wind farm campaign about 25 miles away from me. They listed the reasons why they were objecting to this installation. I often wonder do the people who're involved which such campaigns realise that the air they are breathing now is what's killing them not the wind or solar farm that will deafen or blind the local cattle.

Green energy is not causing droughts, heatwaves or freezing conditions that is climate change.

Gaoth Laidir

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Globally fossil fuel inc gets about $5 trillion in subsidies annually, they're dirty to dig up and dirty to burn. They are horrendous for the environment in so many ways; there is NOX, SO2 and particulate matter that destroys lung function and causes cancers in just about everything that lives on this planet and breaths oxygen. For example the liquid solution used for fracking is radioactive on return and is used in many America states as a deicer on roads and footpaths which intern gets into the drinking water supply.

I recently got a flyer in the post from an anti wind farm campaign about 25 miles away from me. They listed the reasons why they were objecting to this installation. I often wonder do the people who're involved which such campaigns realise that the air they are breathing now is what's killing them not the wind or solar farm that will deafen or blind the local cattle.

Green energy is not causing droughts, heatwaves or freezing conditions that is climate change.

Do you have a source for the info on the fracking solution?

Banana Republic 1

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Do you have a source for the info on the fracking solution?

Yes but none that you’ll ever read, do your own research.

Gaoth Laidir

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Yes but none that you’ll ever read, do your own research.

:rolleyes: FFS. Great attitude there.

Banana Republic 1

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

:rolleyes: FFS. Great attitude there.

Ive posted stuff before and people ignore it and carry on as normal. I read articles that others post, Dannos link on electric scooters for example I also replied. I also researched MT's Bearing Straits proposition in another tread. Do your own research and if you can find a counter fine, I'll read that.

"If the facts change I'll change my mind"

Gaoth Laidir

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Ive posted stuff before and people ignore it and carry on as normal. I read articles that others post, Dannos link on electric scooters for example I also replied. I also researched MT's Bearing Straits proposition in another tread. Do your own research and if you can find a counter fine, I'll read that.

"If the facts change I'll change my mind"

So you don't have a source, then. Fair enough.

Gaoth Laidir

Anyone else with a less childish attitude able to shed some light on BR's claim that

For example the liquid solution used for fracking is radioactive on return and is used in many America states as a deicer on roads and footpaths which intern gets into the drinking water supply.

Having done some searching I was unable to find anything to back up the above, and BR refuses to cooperate.