Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) **Mod warning in OP 22/01**

MacDanger

Some people seem to be willing the numbers to increase just so they can be proven "right", it's bizarre

lulublue22

average_runner wrote: »

Schools only opened yesterday, so how could cases be reported already?


Any case reported, where did it come from? Did it come from a family member? Did it spread among the kids in the class? Were those kids playing with the kids on the street at the weekend?


All this info needs to be known before pointing the finger at schools. My kids are in a school where cases were one of the highest in the that area. School had six cases in total, none came from within the school and all came from the home.


NPHET aren't known for taking risks, if anything they would shut the country down for another year

Special schools have been opened since 11th Feb and have recorded a number of cases since opening.

Stateofyou

average_runner wrote: »

I was talking about the main stream

No you weren't. And why would you, do special schools not count for you?

TomSweeney

Stateofyou wrote: »

That's obviously so false I don't even know where to start.

I don't think I have the patience for this thread today.

No its facts!!!

Occasionally there is a case in a class and the whole class is sent home for 10 days to quarantine, where they continue homeschooling, I have 2 kids in a school in Spain so far (since September) this has happened 3/4 times in the whole school - thankfully in neither of mine two classes, and has never exploded into anything like people in Ireland would have you believe,

They are not a major point of spread for this infection, cases have been declining steadily here for weeks now, life has to go on, kids need their education, and the benefits far outweigh the cons.

If you want to be terrified and have schools closed forever - feel free to keep your kids locked in their rooms for years so.... rest of us need to get on with it.


https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-11-20/why-have-spains-schools-not-turned-into-coronavirus-hotspots.html

https://english.elpais.com/spanish_news/2020-10-07/early-study-in-spain-shows-school-reopenings-have-not-led-to-higher-coronavirus-spread.html


edit - here is a more recent article on the subject

https://english.elpais.com/spanish_news/2021-02-11/infected-individuals-in-schools-only-pass-coronavirus-on-to-an-average-of-04-people-catalan-regional-government-finds.html

In Spain, schools are resisting the coronavirus. Education Minister Isabel Celaá said on Wednesday that just 1.4% of classrooms are currently confined despite a nationwide surge in infections following increased socializing during the Christmas holidays.
.....

After four months of classes, we haven’t had situations such as those in meatpacking plants, gyms and other places where adults gather

FACTS BABY!!!!

Icyseanfitz

TomSweeney wrote: »

Don;t know why schools aren;t reopening in Ireland, schools have been open for months across Europe and no issues ...
They aren't a vector point.

Teachers unions I guess..

You do know they have reopened right.....

lulublue22

average_runner wrote: »

So how many kids picked it up in the school out of those cases?

HSCP report is out today - schools are now supposed to be recorded. It will be interesting to see. I’ve heard of 6 schools so far but no idea how true that is.

Stateofyou

TomSweeney wrote: »

No its facts!!!

Occasionally there is a case in a class and the whole class is sent home for 10 days to quarantine, where they continue homeschooling, I have 2 kids in a school in Spain so far (since September) this has happened 3/4 times in the whole school - thankfully in neither of mine two classes, and has never exploded into anything like people in Ireland would have you believe,

They are not a major point of spread for this infection, cases have been declining steadily here for weeks now, life has to go on, kids need their education, and the benefits far outweigh the cons.

If you want to be terrified and have schools closed forever - feel free to keep your kids locked in their rooms for years so.... rest of us need to get on with it.


https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-11-20/why-have-spains-schools-not-turned-into-coronavirus-hotspots.html

https://english.elpais.com/spanish_news/2020-10-07/early-study-in-spain-shows-school-reopenings-have-not-led-to-higher-coronavirus-spread.html

And you're deliberately selective with your "facts." And ignoring what doesn't fit your narrative. The FACTS are is that schools have been closed and had issues ALL over Europe. You're going nowhere with that nonsense. Nowhere. And imagine thinking you know what's gone on in all of Spain. Lol.

Edit to add: First article with a picture of kids wearing masks in the school. How's that like Ireland again? What's their class numbers, size and pupil to teacher ratio?

From your article: "He believes the main reason schools have not turned into coronavirus hotspots is due to the strict protocol in education centers aimed at reducing contagions, such as class “bubbles,” separate entrances and exits, social distancing and screens.

Other experts believe there may be another reason why the coronavirus incidence rate in schools is relatively so low: children have a much higher likelihood of being asymptomatic than adults. That’s according to several studies, including one published last August in The British Medical Journal. This may indicate that not all coronavirus cases in schools are being counted because students are not presenting symptoms."

This is why I'm avoiding this thread today. FFS.

Stateofyou

TomSweeney wrote: »

Get help you mentally ill fool ...

This comment says more about you than it does about me.

average_runner

Stateofyou wrote: »

No you weren't. And why would you, do special schools not count for you?

Jaysus you can read my mind now!!

Stateofyou

average_runner wrote: »

Jaysus you can read my mind now!!

So if you know special schools were open, and cases were being openly reported on why did you ask:

Schools only opened yesterday, so how could cases be reported already?

MacDanger

Stateofyou wrote: »

And you're deliberately selective with your "facts." And ignoring what doesn't fit your narrative.

Speaking of which, you seem to have deleted your comment about the school that had a case the first day it opened..........

Stateofyou

MacDanger wrote: »

Speaking of which, you seem to have deleted your comment about the school that had a case the first day it opened..........

Because it was a special school class and already open. Pardon me for trying to be as accurate as possible. :rolleyes:

gozunda

TomSweeney wrote: »

Don;t know why schools aren;t reopening in Ireland, schools have been open for months across Europe and no issues ...
They aren't a vector point.

Teachers unions I guess..

Really?

The facts are that many countries have closed schools in previous months or put in place restrictions on numbers and attendance

https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2021-01-05/How-do-COVID-19-policies-on-schools-differ-across-Europe--WMBgHvKXfi/index.html

You do know Spain is not the whole of Europe?

But even in Spain there are some growing concerns...

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/spain-schools-become-top-source-of-covid-19-clusters/2150936

TomSweeney

Thanks for those dodgy newslinks, what is TR ? turkey ? I'm sure bastion of good reliable journalism, that 2nd link is like a page made in 1996, people are losing perspective, fact is schools are open across Europe and kids are getting their education , not only that it's important for their mental health.

Outbreaks are minimal, what do people want in Ireland to shut schools until when ?
Yes, you'll stop some small outbreaks but at what cost ?

plodder

High Court judge dismisses lead challenge over Leaving Cert calculated grades process

No surprise there. The main argument seemed very weak altogether. Surely, this shows once and for all that any kind of LC exam is better than none at all, and this will be even more true this year compared to last.

pottokblue

Watched the news last night and heartbreaking report from Orla Guerin and primary schools in Yemen 80% destroyed due to 'civil' war. The Irish schools system can get through this C19 virus whereas the Yemeni children have a long road ahead of them...

Motah

Sammy2012 wrote: »

1st and 2nd class. I think its great that everyone is making an effort...so im hoping it'll continue until Easter. Then after that hopefully things will be in a better place...

I think this is great! Good on the parents and kids! Our school reopened, no additional measures in place since last September, I mailed the teacher to ask. No staggered drop off or pick up times, no masks, and classes of around 30 all in together. Desks are so close, I'd consider the whole class a pod/bubble. Didn't send mine back...not sure how to handle this bar keep them at home. Anyone aware of potential repercussions?

khalessi

TomSweeney wrote: »

Get help you mentally ill fool ...

Disgusting vile comment you should apologise

khalessi

Motah wrote: »

I think this is great! Good on the parents and kids! Our school reopened, no additional measures in place since last September, I mailed the teacher to ask. No staggered drop off or pick up times, no masks, and classes of around 30 all in together. Desks are so close, I'd consider the whole class a pod/bubble. Didn't send mine back...not sure how to handle this bar keep them at home. Anyone aware of potential repercussions?

Nope no new measures, Prof Nolan said new meaures werent needed and when asked about threat of B117 he replied something we have about hope and optimism previous measures will work.

the corpo

NPHET said yesterday they might possibly you never know no guarantees like but maybe consider masks for primary school children.

https://www.independent.ie/news/nphet-to-consider-wearing-of-masks-for-primary-school-children-40146449.html

The vitriol spewed in the comments on the Independents Facebook page is staggering. Think people feel very empowered by the trouble at the weekend.

khalessi

the corpo wrote: »

NPHET said yesterday they might possibly you never know no guarantees like but maybe consider masks for primary school children.

https://www.independent.ie/news/nphet-to-consider-wearing-of-masks-for-primary-school-children-40146449.html

The vitriol spewed in the comments on the Independents Facebook page is staggering. Think people feel very empowered by the trouble at the weekend.

You should see twitter disgusting comments referring to teachers as murderers

the corpo

khalessi wrote: »

You should see twitter disgusting comments referring to teachers as murderers

Too afraid....

Tokyo

TomSweeney wrote: »

Get help you mentally ill fool ...

Mod: Goodbye Tom - month off from the forum, plus permanent threadban upon your return.

Christy42

Stateofyou wrote: »

Article from the online Independent saying INTO is favouring mask wearing for primary school children, and NPHET is considering it.

Typical... consider an obvious safety measure a year after the pandemic arrives here, and only after we have partially reopened the schools and community transmission is still high. The comment section online under the article is an utter disgrace. It makes me embarrassed at the level of ignorance and anti science in this country.

People saying mask wearing is akin to child abuse, they're breathing in toxins that will cause brain damage, inhumane, refers to them as muzzles, they've "suffered enough," will cause secondary illnesses and longterm damage, and illogically arguing that children won't die as none have in this country (obviously, the transmitting especially asymptomatically is the point). I hope I don't have to spell out why the rest of that is complete and utter horse shíte.

https://www.facebook.com/Independent.ie/posts/10159538474443470

I would consider the tie to be far less comfortable than a mask... Granted probably not the fake tie I wore for the first few years of primary but still we have had ties in schools for years.

penny piper

average_runner wrote: »

Schools only opened yesterday, so how could cases be reported already?
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Dublin school today confirms covid 19 case...case was confirmed in Dublin's northside....Holy family school for the Deaf..on Navan road......schools should not have been open ...they should have waited until atleast more of the general population was vaccinated...

Mrsmum

plodder wrote: »

High Court judge dismisses lead challenge over Leaving Cert calculated grades process

No surprise there. The main argument seemed very weak altogether. Surely, this shows once and for all that any kind of LC exam is better than none at all, and this will be even more true this year compared to last.

Not sure about the rights and wrongs of it, there were winners and losers. But feel sorry for the kid himself, must feel like disappointment after disappointment after disappointment to him.

Marty Bird

penny piper wrote: »

Dublin school today confirms covid 19 case...case was confirmed in Dublin's northside....Holy family school for the Deaf..on Navan road......schools should not have been open ...they should have waited until atleast more of the general population was vaccinated...

Nobody claimed that schools are magical virus free environments but the measures the schools have taken have worked as they are not a significant driver of the virus so says the data.

khalessi

Marty Bird wrote: »

Nobody claimed that schools are magical virus free environments but the measures the schools have taken have worked as they are not a significant driver of the virus so says the data.

You are wrong there the Dept has claimed they are magical virus free environments and that is the problem. Teachers know they are not most sensible people know they are not but yet there seems to be a special set of rules for them different to other workplaces to further push idea of safe virus free environment

Deeec

penny piper wrote: »

Dublin school today confirms covid 19 case...case was confirmed in Dublin's northside....Holy family school for the Deaf..on Navan road......schools should not have been open ...they should have waited until atleast more of the general population was vaccinated...

It is a given that there will be cases. Its preventing the transmission spread that is key.

Also the risk in special schools would be much higher than mainstream schools.

Lillyfae

khalessi wrote: »

You are wrong there the Dept has claimed they are magical virus free environments and that is the problem. Teachers know they are not most sensible people know they are not but yet there seems to be a special set of rules for them different to other workplaces to further push idea of safe virus free environment

This is hyperbole and nothing more. It has always been the case that schools are safe relative to the cases in the community. The "magical safe virus free environment" is a term that you and other posters here have coined and repeated.

I would also advise that if Twitter comments are upsetting you, don't read them. I have said plenty of times that Twitter is a load of rubbish as far as reliability goes and will not accept links posted here by you and others. If you insist on using it as a medium, then you should take the rough there with the smooth and stop dragging it out in front of others all the time.