Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) **Mod warning in OP 22/01**

political analyst

The fact that the infection and hospitalisation rates haven't fallen far enough to let non-essential businesses re-open proves that the movement of pupils and teachers to and from schools doesn't make a significant amount of difference in the pandemic.

khalessi

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

The problem isn't individual teachers, it's the system hasn't supported them at all. There should have been much more put in place for remote learning supports and IT supports and so on.

The impression I'm getting is that the department quite literally thought a mop and a bit of a 'deep clean' (wipe of desks) would be adequate.

Yup and they were even reluctant to put money initially into cleaning and mopping and apart from phased reopening have done nothing else

Tokyo

mloc123 wrote: »

The other poster is obviosly unstable... one of the many side effects of covid we have seen in the past year, people that previously appeared normal ending up like this.

Mod: mloc123 - don't post in the thread again.

TTLF

If there's an announcement on the LC today....


This is the sickest anxiety I've every felt :pac:

wirelessdude01

Jean, What classes are your kids in?

is_that_so

ECDC opinion on schools.

It is possible to keep schools open, even in situations where there are high levels of infection, according to the European Centre of Disease Control.

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2021/0217/1197572-leaving-cert-talks/

Icyseanfitz

is_that_so wrote: »

ECDC opinion on schools.



https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2021/0217/1197572-leaving-cert-talks/

which would explain why they have all shut them to some degree :rolleyes:

wirelessdude01

HermioneJean wrote: »

I have no idea, as I said they weren't in my group. Maybe they thought masks weren't sufficient maybe they didnt want no extra curricular, maybe they preferred home school, who knows. I don't jump to conclusions about the desires of other people, and I certainly dont pass comments on them, like disgraceful or such and such. I won't hold it against you if you want to pull back and we can keep discussing.

Would you like it if a group of parents were for instance dictating what your kids were allowed to eat for their lunch in school?

HermioneJean

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Would you like it if a group of parents were for instance dictating what your kids were allowed to eat for their lunch in school?

First of all, where are you getting the word "dictate". Second, well we already have a healthy eating programme in the school, so no fizzy drinks, must have at least one piece of fruit and others. I think those in need also get that for free but I'm a bit hazy on that.

But I'll engage with you here - if there is a common consensus on what is appropriate for lunch, no i wouldn't have an issue with it. So if a parent noticed that I only sent my DD in with a redbull and a dibdab and therefore we had a discussion around healthy lunches, no i wouldn't feel threatened, as I want what's best for my child.

I have 2, to answer your previous question, one in 2nd,other in secondary school. Anything else I can help you with?

the corpo

https://twitter.com/simonmlewis/status/1361937696369872898

khalessi

the corpo wrote: »

https://twitter.com/simonmlewis/status/1361937696369872898

No surprise whatsoever, they hate putting money into schools, even the phased reopening will be botched

the corpo

The idea of a pinky promise contract though...."Young Tarquin doesn't have Covid today, honest!"

km79

That form has been in operation since August.

combat14

Traffic levels continue to rise despite warnings against unnecessary travel

https://m.independent.ie/news/traffic-levels-continue-to-rise-despite-warnings-against-unnecessary-travel-40102861.html


dont know what the big deal is the whole country will be opened up in about a weeks time when all the schools go back...

is_that_so

School closures are unconstitutional apparently and they want them reopened. ARTICLE 42 for those who are interested.

A number of leading children's charities have said the blanket closure of schools is in breach of the European Convention on Human Rights and the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0217/1197680-schools-constitution/

CapriciousOne

combat14 wrote: »

Traffic levels continue to rise despite warnings against unnecessary travel

https://m.independent.ie/news/traffic-levels-continue-to-rise-despite-warnings-against-unnecessary-travel-40102861.html


dont know what the big deal is the whole country will be opened up in about a weeks time when all the schools go back...

It really wont.

political analyst

combat14 wrote: »

Traffic levels continue to rise despite warnings against unnecessary travel

https://m.independent.ie/news/traffic-levels-continue-to-rise-despite-warnings-against-unnecessary-travel-40102861.html


dont know what the big deal is the whole country will be opened up in about a weeks time when all the schools go back...

Have you forgotten about last November's lockdown?! :rolleyes:

combat14

political analyst wrote: »

Have you forgotten about last November's lockdown?! :rolleyes:

there have been so many lockdowns its hard to keep count!

dirkmeister

is_that_so wrote: »

School closures are unconstitutional apparently and they want them reopened. ARTICLE 42 for those who are interested.



https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0217/1197680-schools-constitution/

Someone more knowledgable than me might clear this up but I think Crowley vs Ireland would show that by providing online learning the State are fulfilling their duties.

political analyst

combat14 wrote: »

there have been so many lockdowns its hard to keep count!

My point is that the re-opening of schools will not mean the re-opening of the whole country.

wirelessdude01

dirkmeister wrote: »

Someone more knowledgable than me might clear this up but I think Crowley vs Ireland would show that by providing online learning the State are fulfilling their duties.

Think if I remember from reading about this previously that the phrase "provide for" or something similar gets the state out of jail. They don't have to provide education, they have to have the circumstances that provide for education.

dirkmeister

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Think if I remember from reading about this previously that the phrase "provide for" or something similar gets the state out of jail. They don't have to provide education, they have to have the circumstances that provide for education.

Yep, Dev inserted the word “for” after a few lads in one of the Departments had a canary when they saw the phrase “provide education”

TTLF

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2021/0217/1197572-leaving-cert-talks/

This is a "Good" and "Bad" system, I hope they clear some stuff up, but the twist that really grinds my gears is this

"Government hopes the proposal will act as an incentive to get students to sit the written exam."

That's just evil. Makes me feel kinda guilty if I go PG now. If I choose it, no going back.

khalessi

Woiuld anyone happen to have access to NRIT manual? Friend trying to calculate scores and hasnt access to book. She is in 5th

wirelessdude01

TTLF wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2021/0217/1197572-leaving-cert-talks/

This is a "Good" and "Bad" system, I hope they clear some stuff up, but the twist that really grinds my gears is this

"Government hopes the proposal will act as an incentive to get students to sit the written exam."

That's just evil. Makes me feel kinda guilty if I go PG now. If I choose it, no going back.

Incentive my ar$e.

granturismo

is_that_so wrote: »

ECDC opinion on schools.

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2021/0217/1197572-leaving-cert-talks/

Have the EDDC considered that students and teachers are sitting with classrooms with windows left open to aid ventilation. Hopefully the weather improves soon. Temperatures havent reached +10degC yet.

hotmail.com

The LC has effectively been cancelled again.

Time now to move to continuous assessment. The fact that the system of college placements has worked out ok surely shows the current LC structure is devoid of purpose.

This is why teachers are getting their knickers in a knot about this. They know now a precedent has been set.

Continuous assessment and more teacher involvement is the future (this means more work for teachers).

khalessi

hotmail.com wrote: »

The LC has effectively been cancelled again.

Time now to move to continuous assessment. The fact that the system of college placements has worked out ok surely shows the current LC structure is devoid of purpose.

This is why teachers are getting their knickers in a knot about this. They know now a precedent has been set.

Continuous assessment and more teacher involvement is the future (this means more work for teachers).

Not sure why the brackets, something you are trying to tell us?

khalessi

km79 wrote: »

That form has been in operation since August.

Most of what has been suggested has been in operation since last term but looks good.

is_that_so

granturismo wrote: »

Have the EDDC considered that students and teachers are sitting with classrooms with windows left open to aid ventilation. Hopefully the weather improves soon. Temperatures havent reached +10degC yet.

The ECDC consider a lot of things and really don't give out information casually. I've no opinion on this but NPHET takes their lead from them. And it was 12C today!