Fx impact

Bushwack

Hi, would some one be able to tell me if the fx impact is classified as a bulpup rifle. I kinda have my eye on one or similar. Thanks in advance.

Cass

If its the model with the magazine behind the trigger then yes.

I outlined in this thread the issue that caused this. Specifically:

Cass wrote:

I knew this issue would come up and i have a feeling you are the first to mention it, but won't be the last.

In the past two months a single RFD has contacted the DoJ and the supplier of FX Impact rifles in the UK complaining about other RFDs selling this type of rifle in which he pointed out to both parties (DoJ, UK supplier) that the rifle is in fact a restricted firearm and those in possession of one with an unrestricted license are in fact NOT LICENSED, by default.

This has lead to, and i've first hand accounting of this, among other things:

• Some receiving a letter from the RFD they bought it from (not necessarily the RFD that started this) saying they had to surrender their rifle back to them, the RFD by order/direction of the DoJ.
• The UK supplier refusing to ship the rifles to Irish RFDs,
• The DoJ contacting some RFDs regarding the rifles they have sold
• Rifle owners being contacted to say they have the wrong license and are essentially unlicensed so to return the rifle to the RFd for storage
• The DoJ to examine the categorisation of the rifle (which never ends well) and seek revocation of the currently licensed rifles

It also raises a huge number of problems:

• The rifles are actually bullpup, as defined under Irish law, with the magazine behind the trigger hence restricted. As most RFDs selling these rifles are not a restricted RFD they cannot sell or store restricted firearms. So how can they take these rifles in?
• The rifles are still the property of the customer. As property (which is different to possession) they cannot simply send it back for a different make/model without the owner consent and/or compensation.
• How can any RFD, even under the direction of the DoJ, essentially revoke a firearms license? The DoJ cannot even do that, it's the duty of the Super/Chief Super.
• Why are people being told to return their firearm for a change of model because of the incorrect licensing and not given the opportunity to license them as restricted?
• If people do surrender them will they not be admitting to being in breach of the firearms act by applying for a restricted firearm as an unrestricted firearm and taking possession of said firearm with the wrong license.
• Are the RFDs (and there are three others who are involved in this "recall") going to be held accountable for selling restricted firearms without the necessary restricted RFD license to customers without the necessary restricted license?

Its a can of worms and why the RFD who started the ball rolling on this done so is beyond me. He has in effect destroyed his own ability to sell these.

Peppa Cig

Bushwack wrote: »

Hi, would some one be able to tell me if the fx impact is classified as a bulpup rifle. I kinda have my eye on one or similar. Thanks in advance.

Yes!

Plenty were being sold as unrestricted.

DoJ now on the case and they are classified as restricted as bull pup.

Look at Dreamline, Crown etc as alternative.

Dreamline Tactical would be nearest look/feel (non bull pup) to impact IMO.

kjl412

Peppa Cig wrote: »

Yes!

Plenty were being sold as unrestricted.

DoJ now on the case and they are classified as restricted as bull pup.

Look at Dreamline, Crown etc as alternative.

Dreamline Tactical would be nearest look/feel (non bull pup) to impact IMO.

My god another ridiculous Irish gun law I didn’t even know about. What a joke.

Cass

kjl412 wrote: »

I mean I guess technically it is but it’s not a rifle, it’s an air rifle.

Under Irish law they're the same thing. IOW a .30cal, in Irish law, is the same as a .177 air rifle in licensing/legal terms.

And just so you know in the future bulpup just means the guns action in behind the trigger, so it’s very easy to identify when you know what your looking for.

Not in Irish law. In Irish law it defines a bullpup as a firearm with the loading device/magazine behind the trigger, not the action. It makes some models of the FX impact restricted as well as other firearms such as the Buckmark .22lr rifle, etc.

SI 21/2008 - “bullpup rifles” means rifles with a magazine located behind the trigger;

Peppa Cig

kjl412 wrote: »

My god another ridiculous Irish gun law I didn’t even know about. What a joke.

#crazy

Mellor

kjl412 wrote: »

My god another ridiculous Irish gun law I didn’t even know about. What a joke.

The restricted firearms list is a fairly important law that everyone should be aware of.

Bushwack

That's a shame. We are missing out on some very nice airrifles such as the impact ,kalbrgun cricket 2, Taipan veteran but to name a few. I don't ever recall a state being overthrown with airrifles but I understand the laws must be respected how ever odd they may seem. Thanks again.

Mellor

Bushwack wrote: »

That's a shame. We are missing out on some very nice airrifles such as the impact ,kalbrgun cricket 2, Taipan veteran but to name a few. I don't ever recall a state being overthrown with airrifles but I understand the laws must be respected how ever odd they may seem. Thanks again.

I think it’s obvious that air-rifles weren’t the target firearm to be outlawed. They are simply caught in the sweeping terms.

Also caught up were some marksman type rifles. While technically that are bullpup. They are still as long as a standard rifle.

I kind of feel a simple OA dimension limit would have been straight forward.

skipking

is it possible to license an impact now even restricted as most other air guns are capable of doing the same as an impact.what reason could you give for having one.

kjl412

This might be a stupid question but I’m not understanding this, what makes a bullpup rifle restricted? As in what makes it any different to any other rifle besides the positioning of the magazine? I just don’t get it like I get a shotgun with over 3 cartridges that has to do with capacity, is it the stupid fact that it’s the look of them?

Cass

In an ideal world it should not have been an issue but one persons actions are now having far reaching consequences.

You can license it as a restricted firearm. Saying "because its a stupid law that was never meant to affect air guns" might not cut it, but there are other reasons such as brand design, superior firearm and it comes that way, etc. and simply argue the issue of Irish law being the one country that differs in the meaning of bullpup.

It'll be a bigger struggle than arguing for say a 243 for foxing, but not deer as you have different calibers, but with other rifles even in the same brand that would not fall foul of the bullpup law might be tougher.

Cass

kjl412 wrote: »

This might be a stupid question but I’m not understanding this, what makes a bullpup rifle restricted?

Most other countries, and i say most as i've not checked every other country, use the position of the action in relation to the trigger but Irish law says its the mag.

The browning buckmark rifle has the same pitfall. Because the rifle is based of their pistol (just longer barrel and fixed stock essentially) the mag loads into the grip like a pistol which is behind the trigger, hence bullpup.

As in what makes it any different to any other rifle besides the positioning of the magazine?

I could be wrong and someone with a better understanding/knowledge of this exact firearm will be better able to explain but a bullpup firearm is designed to shorten the overall length of the firearm while not sacrificing the length of the barrel and hence accuracy/performance.

However other than length the function of the rifle is the same. Fires one shot per trigger pull, must be manually cycled, etc.

I just don’t get it like I get a shotgun with over 3 cartridges that has to do with capacity, is it the stupid fact that it’s the look of them?

Its not the only ridiculous bit of law regarding it classification as restricted.

Take shotguns as you mentioned. If you have a shotgun and it only holds three shots as you described above its unrestricted. Now stick a pistol grip butt stock on it and its now restricted. It doesn't change the capacity, the performance or function of the firearm but it now restricted regardless.


My favorite, as Sparks pointed out some years back in an Oireachtas meeting on firearms....................

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrWq1mvxxDk

....................., is the issue with crossbows. A crossbow is a restricted firearm under Irish law. However unlike firearms crossbows have no energy limits. For example the law says anything over 1 joule is a firearm which relates to pistols, rifles, etc. However no such limit exists for crossbows so you know the toy sucker crossbows you see in the pound shop for kids.....................





...................... that is legally speaking a restricted firearm requiring a full FCA1 firearm application to your Chief Superintendent, a gun safe, and all the bells and whistles that come with being a firearm owner.


That is the stupidity of some of our laws.

Mellor

kjl412 wrote: »

This might be a stupid question but I’m not understanding this, what makes a bullpup rifle restricted? As in what makes it any different to any other rifle besides the positioning of the magazine? I just don’t get it like I get a shotgun with over 3 cartridges that has to do with capacity, is it the stupid fact that it’s the look of them?

Are you asking what defines a bullpup?
Or what are are bull pups (as defined) restricted?

The former has been covered.
As for the latter, I assume it is because bull pups are designed to to make a firearm more mobile in tight spaces, and/or concealable. Typically these are commonly found in military firearms. And benefits don’t apply for most people.

If you do have a reason where it’s a benefit, then you can apply. I’m sure a couple valid ones exist.