Tyres from UK, post Brexit?

Stallingrad

Need to order some tyres from Camskill, is it safe to assume I'm going to be hit with VAT and duty from the 1st of January?

grogi

Stallingrad wrote: »

Need to order some tyres from Camskill, is it safe to assume I'm going to be hit with VAT and duty from the 1st of January?

Firstly you don't need to order them from Catskill. There are numerous tyre retailers in UE, such as oponeo, eiretyres etc.

Secondly, it is almost certain you will not be hit by extra tariffs, not if you're ordering from NI. It is almost equally certain you won't be hit if ordering from GB, but that will be revvealed coming hours or days.

It would make sense to wait two, three weeks before making an order, though. Th cumulation of Brexit and coronavirus lockdown makes any shipping completely unpredictable

CJhaughey

I have found tyreleader.ie to be the best of the continental suppliers for speed of delivery and price.
I have numerous sets ordered from them and they have all arrived problem free.
Plus you can buy tyre insurance for a small cost and this saved me at least €75 this year when a piece of metal destroyed one of my rear tyres that I had just bought as a set.
I bought a new one from them while driving on a spare, waited a week and they refunded me the price less 25% excess.

Darc19

grogi wrote: »

. It is almost equally certain you won't be hit if ordering from GB, but that will be revvealed coming hours or days.

That is wrong.

Tarriff free is not vat free.

There will be no import duty but goods are fully liable for vat.

Beltby

CJhaughey wrote: »

I have found tyreleader.ie to be the best of the continental suppliers for speed of delivery and price.
I have numerous sets ordered from them and they have all arrived problem free.
Plus you can buy tyre insurance for a small cost and this saved me at least €75 this year when a piece of metal destroyed one of my rear tyres that I had just bought as a set.
I bought a new one from them while driving on a spare, waited a week and they refunded me the price less 25% excess.

I bought tyres for my car and my missus's car this year from them. No issues at all. The tyres are shipped from Holland.

mgbgt1978

+1 for tyreleader.
90% of the time they blow all the other online suppliers out of the water on price.

The other 10% they're just only slightly cheaper

Buddy Bubs

You'd be paying vat on them regardless of brexit. Apart from a potential delay now it should be business as usual

spuddy

Buddy Bubs wrote: »

You'd be paying vat on them regardless of brexit. Apart from a potential delay now it should be business as usual

The issue is that the VAT won't have been paid within the EU, and therefore the tyres will be subject to VAT when they land here. You can try to reclaim the UK VAT or have them sold to you ex UK VAT. The times they are a changing...

grogi

Darc19 wrote: »

That is wrong.

Tarriff free is not vat free.

There will be no import duty but goods are fully liable for vat.

It all depends on the agreement. There are no VAT charges on top of purchases in Norway or Switzerland AFAIK...

Even if there is VAT to be paid, there always were provisions for selling outside of the oseller VAT zone. The same will apply to UK businesses when exporting from UK: buyer won't pay taxes in UK, but will only pay Irish VAT.

So while technically you are hit with Irish VAT, the total sum to pay remains morrless the same.

Stallingrad

Looks like a non runner from the UK, also looks like Camskill now insist that your courier collects, in other words they won't ship to Ireland.

I've used tyreleader before and they good to deal with.

CJhaughey

Beltby wrote: »

I bought tyres for my car and my missus's car this year from them. No issues at all. The tyres are shipped from Holland.

They have multiple warehouses depending on what you order, I have had stuff come from Germany, and Netherlands and I think Luxembourg.
As you say no issues at all.

Buddy Bubs

Stallingrad wrote: »

Looks like a non runner from the UK, also looks like Camskill now insist that your courier collects, in other words they won't ship to Ireland.

I've used tyreleader before and they good to deal with.

They don't want to be involved in export and import declarations. Wouldnt blame them to be honest.

Marcusm

spuddy wrote: »

The issue is that the VAT won't have been paid within the EU, and therefore the tyres will be subject to VAT when they land here. You can try to reclaim the UK VAT or have them sold to you ex UK VAT. The times they are a changing...

On this they won’t; a U.K. supplier to an Irish consumer was already required to apply Irish rather than U.K. VAT on goods consigned for delivery to Ireland. There will still not be U.K. VAT post Brexit (zero rates for export), the question will be whether the business does enough Irish business to register for VAT here (very likely) or leaves it to the courier to decide.

The actual problem is the additional paperwork which needs to be filed and which will result in many low value/low margin offers falling away as the Irish market is so small comparatively speaking.

AutoTuning

spuddy wrote: »

The issue is that the VAT won't have been paid within the EU, and therefore the tyres will be subject to VAT when they land here. You can try to reclaim the UK VAT or have them sold to you ex UK VAT. The times they are a changing...

U.K. exporter won’t charge U.K. VAT. So you’d be due VAT here only.

The issue might be lack of customs declaration.

If the U.K. moved away from EU tyre norms it might be an issue too, but that’s unlikely anytime soon.

Darc19

grogi wrote: »

It all depends on the agreement. There are no VAT charges on top of purchases in Norway or Switzerland AFAIK...

Even if there is VAT to be paid, there always were provisions for selling outside of the oseller VAT zone. The same will apply to UK businesses when exporting from UK: buyer won't pay taxes in UK, but will only pay Irish VAT.

So while technically you are hit with Irish VAT, the total sum to pay remains morrless the same.

If you live in Norway and purchase from Ireland, you are liable for local vat (25%) and goods have to have a customs declaration.

The Irish store could sell vat free once they keep a proper record of the transaction.

Stallingrad

So Tyreleader are out too, no deliveries to Ireland until further notice. PITA.

bazz26

Most of the online "Irish" tyre sellers actually source and stock their tyres on the Continent so I'm sure transportation is now an issue getting them here if they have to pass through the UK first. Along with extra customs checks, paperwork and time involved I'd say the cost of delivery is going to shoot up also no doubt.

AutoTuning

If the goods are labelled for say Germany to Ireland they just pass through the U.K. without ever entering it for customs purposes. The transport companies have systems for that. It’s intra EU (basically domestic) traffic.

There are also a much increased number of direct Ireland to continental Europe sea routes.

Del2005

I'd say it's more that haulers aren't able to get people to drive through the UK, especially after the Christmas fiasco, till the new customs checks have settled down. Very little going across now as a lot of UK companies stocked up before they left the customs union so it'll be a few weeks before traffic returns to normal and then we'll see what the delays are like

AutoTuning wrote: »

If the goods are labelled for say Germany to Ireland they just pass through the U.K. without ever entering it for customs purposes. The transport companies have systems for that. It’s intra EU (basically domestic) traffic.

I read/heard someone on about that and they said do you think the English are going to wave Ireland to EU trucks through while thousands of UK to EU trucks are stuck in queues. In theory it should be simple but in practice it won't.

reubenreuben

Stallingrad wrote: »

So Tyreleader are out too, no deliveries to Ireland until further notice. PITA.

Tyre leader.ie is working

mgbgt1978

I don't think so,
Due to the COVID-19 health crisis, carriers GLS and DPD have stopped deliveries until further notice. We will send you an email as soon as GLS or DPD are able to deliver parcels again

....try and complete an order to Ireland (you don't have to go as far as actually paying for the order), and you will get the above message.

reubenreuben

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

I don't think so,
Due to the COVID-19 health crisis, carriers GLS and DPD have stopped deliveries until further notice. We will send you an email as soon as GLS or DPD are able to deliver parcels again

....try and complete an order to Ireland (you don't have to go as far as Payment), and you will get the above message.

So its covid stopping it and not brexit.

mgbgt1978

I highly doubt it's Covid related.
Both GLS and DPD are still working away (busier than ever ). It's probably just easier for tyreleader to blame Covid rather than admit that they cannot guarantee delivery to Ireland for a while.


BTW, if you're looking for tyres, Pneus seem to be still dispatching to Ireland and are usually only slightly dearer than tyreleader.

grogi

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

I highly doubt it's Covid related.
Both GLS and DPD are still working away (busier than ever ). It's probably just easier for tyreleader to blame Covid rather than admit that they cannot guarantee delivery to Ireland for a while.


BTW, if you're looking for tyres, Pneus seem to be still dispatching to Ireland and are usually only slightly dearer than tyreleader.

No, it's covid. The gigantic backlog at Dover and Calais at the dawn of previous year. DHL nor Deutsche Post weren't accepting Ireland bound mail as well. Instead of Xmas cards this year I got photos of them.

mgbgt1978

What are you on about now ???
DHL & Deutsche Post are pretty much the same company.
In that capacity they deliver Post, you know Letters etc.
Tyreleader are saying that neither GLS nor DPD are delivering due to Covid....they are delivering ( they can't deliver fast enough in fact).
Plenty of other EU Companies are delivering to Ireland, Tyreleader would seem to route their Irish orders through the UK and that is just not feasible at present.
Tyreleader's reluctance to dispatch orders to Ireland is not Covid related.
It is Brexit related.

grogi

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

DHL & Deutsche Post are pretty much the same company.
In that capacity they deliver Post, you know Letters etc.

I know that (DHL handles parcels, Deutche Post letters). That's why I did bring up my xmas cards - they couldn't be posted to Ireland because of COVID.

Tyreleader are saying that neither GLS nor DPD are delivering due to Covid....they are delivering ( they can't deliver fast enough in fact).

They are delivering parcels that are in Ireland, no problem. They didn't (that has changed since over last few days) however accept parcels bound to Ireland from the continent, because of logistical nightmare at the channel caused by COVID lockdown. I also gave you an example of other carrier that had similar policy.

I think you simply overanalyze what wording 'deliver a parcel' means.

Plenty of other EU Companies are delivering to Ireland, Tyreleader would seem to route their Irish orders through the UK and that is just not feasible at present.

Why would they go through such ordeal when companies like DPD or GLS are founded just for that - to move parcels around?

Anyway - Brexit or Covid - when one is short on rubber, it doesn't really matter why...

Isambard

I've a parcel coming from Germany, hasn't moved since 30th, according to their tracker it hasn't left Germany yet although I suspect it's on a truck stuck at Calais or Dover. I guess it'll pop up one of these days.

Stallingrad

One benefit of this shambles is it forces us to look for local options, which will benefit hard pressed businesses here.

I found the 4 tyres I need, supplied and fitted locally for €40 more than buying online and getting them fitted. No hassle with delivery, Brexit or having to cart them around. Happy with that.

listermint

Stallingrad wrote: »

One benefit of this shambles is it forces us to look for local options, which will benefit hard pressed businesses here.

I found the 4 tyres I need, supplied and fitted locally for €40 more than buying online and getting them fitted. No hassle with delivery, Brexit or having to cart them around. Happy with that.

No exactly local business has to get their stuff from the continent too. It's all slowed down..even for business.

AutoTuning

listermint wrote: »

No exactly local business has to get their stuff from the continent too. It's all slowed down..even for business.

A lot of that may also be COVID related - a lot of places are facing big issues. I’m seeing German stuff just not moving for days in Germany too.

Alun

I had a parcel from Germany with DHL sent back to the sender before it had the chance to leave the country. The reason given was Covid-19 and the delays in Dover.

Isambard

Isambard wrote: »

I've a parcel coming from Germany, hasn't moved since 30th, according to their tracker it hasn't left Germany yet although I suspect it's on a truck stuck at Calais or Dover. I guess it'll pop up one of these days.

update, reached GLS UK depot last night. They will have to consider re-routing for the future I feel.

sharkman

I used to order from eiretyres but for the last few years have been using McManus Tyres in Dundalk . Less hassle for me given that its not too much of a drive . May be an option for anyone not too far away from them . I find their prices very good .

https://www.mcmanustyres.ie/

Stallingrad

Email from Tyreleader this morning saying that DPD and GLS are delivering to Ireland again.

mgbgt1978

^^^Me too.

Stallingrad

Just had 4 all seasons fitted at a tyre centre, fair play to them, they got the tyres same day just in time for the snow.

Del2005

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Shudders, I generally hate using local services.

So you have your own tyre fitting machine and balance?

Stallingrad

The saga continues, I ordered 2 tyres from Oponeo, no UK Duty issues. The tyres got as far as the UK and were sent back. Got and email and apologetic phone call from the company. Impressed by that, they (and others) must be driven demented by all this.

Time to try Tyreleader again.

spuddy

Wondering where people getting their online tyres fitted, anywhere reliable around Dublin?

Stallingrad

spuddy wrote: »

Wondering where people getting their online tyres fitted, anywhere reliable around Dublin?

Sandyford Tyres have no issue with this.

zg3409

spuddy wrote: »

Wondering where people getting their online tyres fitted, anywhere reliable around Dublin?

Kwickfit or whatever they are called these days have a policy against fitting tyres they do not supply.

Tyreland finglas did it for me. I phoned my local 2 places and they would not do it. I suggest phone ahead and get a price. Make sure they take old tyre. Some places claim.they can't take old tyre as they need to match the number of returns with new. Recycling centres and dumps won't take tyres, so you need a place that takes the tyres or you will find it very difficult to dispose if it.

In terms of shipping its a nightmare at the moment with an post saying 1 month for parcels is still an issue in January 2021, due to lack of flights, brexit, covid. Even an post has a shortage of vans due to vast amount of parcels. DHL road has lots of issues and they often hand over to an post for delivery.

Alun

spuddy wrote: »

Wondering where people getting their online tyres fitted, anywhere reliable around Dublin?

Rowan Tyres mobile fitting service based in Sandyford. The owner is a boardsie here, jimbis. He's fitted several sets of tyres for me.

Stallingrad

zg3409 wrote: »

In terms of shipping its a nightmare at the moment with an post saying 1 month for parcels is still an issue in January 2021, due to lack of flights, brexit, covid. Even an post has a shortage of vans due to vast amount of parcels.

Massive drop off in Amazon UK orders, plus Amazon now looking after their own deliveries, will hopefully give An Post some breathing space.

spuddy

zg3409 wrote: »

Kwickfit or whatever they are called these days have a policy against fitting tyres they do not supply.

Tyreland finglas did it for me. I phoned my local 2 places and they would not do it. I suggest phone ahead and get a price. Make sure they take old tyre. Some places claim.they can't take old tyre as they need to match the number of returns with new. Recycling centres and dumps won't take tyres, so you need a place that takes the tyres or you will find it very difficult to dispose if it.

In terms of shipping its a nightmare at the moment with an post saying 1 month for parcels is still an issue in January 2021, due to lack of flights, brexit, covid. Even an post has a shortage of vans due to vast amount of parcels. DHL road has lots of issues and they often hand over to an post for delivery.

Luckily I bought them before Xmas, they're sitting in the shed right now, but at least they got here!

con747

spuddy wrote: »

Wondering where people getting their online tyres fitted, anywhere reliable around Dublin?

A lot of the bigger online companies have a list of fitting partners on their websites.

macplaxton

zg3409 wrote: »

Recycling centres and dumps won't take tyres

I'm in Co Kildare, AES at Silliot Hill, Kilcullen do take tyres.

https://www.aesirl.ie/civic-amenities/silliot-hill-recycling-centre-civic-amenity/

Some of their other sites do too.

LIGHTNING

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Shudders, I generally hate using local services.

What a strange comment. Just like all countries / other industries there are as many great local tyre places as bad ones, do some research, no need to right them all off with that nasty attitude.

With your attitude I wonder would you be the problem?

Akrasia

how much do you guys get charged for fitting tyres?
I bought 2 tyres before xmas and the fecker charged me 30 quid to fit the pair of them. I thought that was really steep

Del2005

Akrasia wrote: »

how much do you guys get charged for fitting tyres?
I bought 2 tyres before xmas and the fecker charged me 30 quid to fit the pair of them. I thought that was really steep

Buy a fitting machine and pay rent, insurance, tax, rates wages etc and see how much it costs to run a business.

CJhaughey

Akrasia wrote: »

how much do you guys get charged for fitting tyres?
I bought 2 tyres before xmas and the fecker charged me 30 quid to fit the pair of them. I thought that was really steep

Thats pretty much standard, did that include disposal?

dkd21

Akrasia wrote: »

how much do you guys get charged for fitting tyres?
I bought 2 tyres before xmas and the fecker charged me 30 quid to fit the pair of them. I thought that was really steep

What an absolute fecker , thats disgraceful