Failed Asylum Seeker Fraud

Grab All Association

BreakingNews wrote:

A man who fraudulently claimed over €65,000 in social welfare payments and was detected using facial-imaging technology has been given a three and half year suspended sentence.

Mohammed Hamad (37) of The Elm, Parkview, Stepaside, Dublin pleaded guilty at Dublin Circuit Criminal Court to 10 sample charges of theft of rent allowance, job seekers allowance and basic supplementary allowance on dates between May 2009 and October 2013.

He also pleaded guilty to two charges of using a false document. He has no previous convictions.

The court heard that Hamad took over the lease of a dry cleaning business in 2013 and soon stopped claiming the welfare he was not entitled to.

Judge Martin Nolan said Hamad adopted a new identity on arriving into this country to claim money he was not entitled to.

Hamad initially sought asylum in England before moving on to Ireland, where he was refused asylum. He left again but returned to Ireland in 2009 under the false identity which he later claimed the welfare payments under.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/social-welfare-fraudster-detected-using-facial-imaging-tech-1054037.html


People have been jailed for far less in this country. No restitution to the state, costs of investigation, trial etc. What a joke of a country.

EmmetSpiceland

Smells like a “Current Affair”.

Kimbot

MOD Moved to Current Affiars as its more suitable here. Please take note of local charter.

KevRossi

‘Suspended sentence’

Any chance of a deportation Helen McEntee? Or prison while we wait for his deportation? Or take steps to get some of the €65K and legal fees back?

WrenBoy

KevRossi wrote: »

‘Suspended sentence’

Any chance of a deportation Helen McEntee? Or prison while we wait for his deportation? Or take steps to get some of the €65K and legal fees back?

Ah Kev its Christmas in Ireland sure, citizenship, a free house and dole, now off you go you cheeky scamp. The rest of ye get back to work and then straight home ye filthy spreaders. :pac:

Geuze

I often wonder - do we have enough hi-tech checks at airports?

Are we scanning passports at airports? I see this done at other airports, is it done here?

Do we have a database of arrivals and departures?

It seems that many of these crimes could be prevented by ICT?

TomTomTim

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Smells like a “Current Affair”.

You've been told many times, you can simply not look. You clearly hate this place passionately, and have a deep desire to see it shut down, yet you still come here regularly, and spend much of your posting time moaning about this place.

Geuze

Geuze wrote: »

I often wonder - do we have enough hi-tech checks at airports?

Are we scanning passports at airports? I see this done at other airports, is it done here?

Do we have a database of arrivals and departures?

It seems that many of these crimes could be prevented by ICT?

To answer myself, to be fair, he was caught by facial-imaging technology, fair enough.

Can we have this in every DSP office?

GarIT

Geuze wrote: »

I often wonder - do we have enough hi-tech checks at airports?

Are we scanning passports at airports? I see this done at other airports, is it done here?

Do we have a database of arrivals and departures?

It seems that many of these crimes could be prevented by ICT?

Yes to the middle two. Don't know if you'd call it high tech though.

Geuze

We are constantly told that AS are fleeing persecution.

The truth is many arrive from the UK.

And yet people want to give these criminals own-door housing?

If I know this, and it is the truth, I often wonder why TDs, senators, don't know it?

They seem blinded by ideology.

I support capitalism, but I know well its limits and costs.

RoyalCelt

Deport ASAP please and bank account raided to return stolen funds from the Irish people.

ElJeffe

Soft touch Republic strikes again.

monseiur

Just to be clear - he wasn't an illegal immigrant he was an asylum seeker.
We only get asylum seekers here in Ireland and they all come from war torn countries !! and once established here their extended families are allowed in.
Funny enough when their nationality is established it turns out there's no war in their country !
Their command of the english language is pretty good but for some reason the word 'work' is alien to them, especially those who come from Africa....and they never get around to learning it. Perhaps our over generous welfare system has something to do with it, free house, free medical, free education And they are adept at playing the racist card, if you look sideways at them you're in trouble.
And, as this case proves they are above the law, unlike the rest of us who's taxes are paying for their legal fees and all other privilege's

Patrick2010

Grab All Association wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/social-welfare-fraudster-detected-using-facial-imaging-tech-1054037.html


People have been jailed for far less in this country. No restitution to the state, costs of investigation, trial etc. What a joke of a country.

Not defending the chancer but from the article...


He now has eight branches of the shop in the country and by the end of January next he will have re-paid €35,000 of the money he had stolen.
He sentenced Hamad to three and half years in prison which he suspended in full on condition that within three years he will have paid the outstanding amount, of €30,000 to the State.

soso02

You'll find the indigenous peoples of Ireland are notorious for bogus social welfare claims.
Families in receipt in SUSI funding who could well afford to send their children to college but are privy to the inner workings of the assessment process.
Many people in receipt of PUP since March who are insulted by the suggestion that they should be actively seeking employment.
Many suspended cases have been dished out to Irish citizens caught evading tax/making false social welfare claims.
Why then OP is your gripe particular to the asylum seekers ? I believe we should be asking why these supports are easily available in the first place.

EmmetSpiceland

TomTomTim wrote: »

You've been told many times, you can simply not look. You clearly hate this place passionately, and have a deep desire to see it shut down, yet you still come here regularly, and spend much of your posting time moaning about this place.

I posted that in “After Hours”, before the thread was moved. Do keep up.

You’re the only one I hear talking about “shutting this place down”. I have told you, repeatedly, that it would be a disaster if this forum were closed and I have been consistent with that in the “Feedback” thread.

So, please, get your facts rights and stop with the insolence, pal. I’ve had enough of your “guff”, if you don’t like what I have to say then go ahead and hit the “ignore” button. Would be nice to be shot of you.

Patrick2010

soso02 wrote: »

You'll find the indigenous peoples of Ireland are notorious for bogus social welfare claims.
Families in receipt in SUSI funding who could well afford to send their children to college but are privy to the inner workings of the assessment process.
Many people in receipt of PUP since March who are insulted by the suggestion that they should be actively seeking employment.
Why then OP is your gripe particular to the asylum seekers ?

My objection to allowing in these scammers is the same as why we don't need to be allowing in violent scumbags. Just because we have a local collection of both doesn't mean we have to add to the numbers.

smellyoldboot

Isn't it funny how with all major sects there are certain stereotypes that largely ring true: Protestant: Work Ethic/Dourness, Catholicism: A certain fecklessness and Joie De Vive, Judaism: Financially aware/capable.

With Islam it's fast becoming: Dole cheats, gang rapists, backward, wants 25 prayer breaks during the working day....

Mod: Banned

Geuze

Geuze wrote: »

I often wonder - do we have enough hi-tech checks at airports?

Are we scanning passports at airports? I see this done at other airports, is it done here?

Do we have a database of arrivals and departures?

It seems that many of these crimes could be prevented by ICT?

From 1st January Ireland is joining the EU police database so all passports scanned will now be checked against other EU countries databses on arrival at the airport, the same whenever a name is checked in PULSE.

Apparently we didn't have the money to join after the financial crisis

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1218/1185318-eu-security-system/

WrenBoy

Deleted User wrote: »

From 1st January Ireland is joining the EU police database so all passports scanned will now be checked against other EU countries databses on arrival at the airport, the same whenever a name is checked in PULSE.

Apparently we didn't have the money to join after the financial crisis

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1218/1185318-eu-security-system/

What financial crisis ? The banks were never bailed out !!

smellyoldboot

monseiur wrote: »

Just to be clear - he wasn't an illegal immigrant he was an asylum seeker.
We only get asylum seekers here in Ireland and they all come from war torn countries !! and once established here their extended families are allowed in.
Funny enough when their nationality is established it turns out there's no war in their country !
Their command of the english language is pretty good but for some reason the word 'work' is alien to them, especially those who come from Africa....and they never get around to learning it. Perhaps our over generous welfare system has something to do with it, free house, free medical, free education And they are adept at playing the racist card, if you look sideways at them you're in trouble.
And, as this case proves they are above the law, unlike the rest of us who's taxes are paying for their legal fees and all other privilege's

The most hilarious part of it all is, after they play the game here and attain the coveted asylum status/leave to remain, what do they do? Go on holidays of course. But where do they go? Sunny Spain? The Algarve? Nope straight back to the "war torn" place they left sans documents in apparrent fear of their life.

smellyoldboot

smellyoldboot wrote: »

, Catholicism: A certain fecklessness and Joie De Vive,
...

Lol.

The rest of your post is just rubbish

smellyoldboot

bubblypop wrote: »

Lol.

The rest of your post is just rubbish

Yeah, none of us have ever heard any of those stereotypes or found them to be apt of course.

monseiur

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Not defending the chancer but from the article...


He now has eight branches of the shop in the country and by the end of January next he will have re-paid €35,000 of the money he had stolen.
He sentenced Hamad to three and half years in prison which he suspended in full on condition that within three years he will have paid the outstanding amount, of €30,000 to the State.

Wow I'm really impressed, he should be nominated for a 'People of the Year' award.
The €65,000 is less than 20% of what he cost us, the taxpayer.
There's the cost of the social welfare officers investigating the case, the cost of the Garda, the cost of bringing the case to court, the cost of his legal fees, the cost of collecting the money he fraudulently claimed etc. etc.
I have no doubt that, being such an honest man, he's tax compliant in his business - is he trading under his original name or one of his bogus names ???

smellyoldboot

smellyoldboot wrote: »

Yeah, none of us have ever heard any of those stereotypes or found them to be apt of course.

Nope, they are not even slightly true, particularly the Catholic one!
Joie de vie ..... Lol

Irishphotodesk

What I don't understand is how he managed to open multiple branches and still the amounts owed are not paid back, he must pay 10k before the end of January and the remainder owed over time.

If he is running 8 businesses, how many were started with state funding ?, why can't the court make him sign over all profits until all the money's are repaid....and why didn't it happen before this matter came to court, it would appear to have happened 6yrs ago, he was allowed to build multiple businesses.

Hamachi

bubblypop wrote: »

Nope, they are not even slightly true, particularly the Catholic one!
Joie de vie ..... Lol

Care to comment on the blatant subversion of the asylum process, defrauding the exchequer, and the inherent weakness of the Irish immigration system that fails to remove an egregiously illegal applicant?

‘Course not. Deflect, divert, derail as usual..

Hamachi

Hamachi wrote: »

Care to comment on the blatant subversion of the asylum process, defrauding the exchequer, and the inherent weakness of the Irish immigration system that fails to remove an egregiously illegal applicant?

‘Course not. Deflect, divert, derail as usual..

You need to know my thoughts on the crime here?
Ok, sure, if it means so much to you.
A crime should always be investigated and whoever is responsible be held to account.
Being brought to court and convicted is justice.
And how do You know that this man is not going to be deported?

weldoninhio

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Not defending the chancer but from the article...


He now has eight branches of the shop in the country and by the end of January next he will have re-paid €35,000 of the money he had stolen.
He sentenced Hamad to three and half years in prison which he suspended in full on condition that within three years he will have paid the outstanding amount, of €30,000 to the State.

How is he working here? In what way, shape or form, could he have been given permission to work??

Hamachi

Irishphotodesk wrote: »

If he is running 8 businesses, how many were started with state funding ?, why can't the court make him sign over all profits until all the money's are repaid....and why didn't it happen before this matter came to court, it would appear to have happened 6yrs ago, he was allowed to build multiple businesses.

I would love these questions answered too. Where’s the accountability in this case?

Ultimately, how is this man permitted to remain in Ireland given his track record? It makes a mockery of the concept of a functioning immigration system.

soso02

smellyoldboot wrote: »

Isn't it funny how with all major sects there are certain stereotypes that largely ring true: Protestant: Work Ethic/Dourness, Catholicism: A certain fecklessness and Joie De Vive, Judaism: Financially aware/capable.

With Islam it's fast becoming: Dole cheats, gang rapists, backward, wants 25 prayer breaks during the working day....

Horrible ****

Mods will tolerate the grossly inaccurate generalization made here ?

smellyoldboot

soso02 wrote: »

Horrible ****

Mods will tolerate the grossly inaccurate generalization made here ?

Also forgot , they're fierce find of oul manga/anime porn style depicts of the great holy paedophile Mohammed, high king of child molesters

Hamachi

bubblypop wrote: »

You need to know my thoughts on the crime here?
Ok, sure, if it means so much to you.
A crime should always be investigated and whoever is responsible be held to account.
Being brought to court and convicted is justice.
And how do You know that this man is not going to be deported?

Your opinion means nothing to me but glad to see that calling you out gets the thread back on track and we see some rudimentary thought germane to the topic being discussed.

That article mentions nothing about a scheduled deportation date. Let’s follow this case, but I’d be willing to bet my house that the criminal in question will never be removed from this jurisdiction.

soso02

monseiur wrote: »

I have no doubt that, being such an honest man, he's tax compliant in his business - is he trading under his original name or one of his bogus names ???

And I am sure tradesmen declare all their income honesty and are compliant, oh wait ? The cost of this one man to the exchequer pales in comparison to the persistent failure of many self employed to pay their due. If only you afforded this proportionate attention.
You are obviously motivated by inherent racial prejudices.

Hamachi

Hamachi wrote: »

Your opinion means nothing to me but glad to see that calling you out gets the thread back on track and we see some rudimentary thought germane to the topic being discussed.

That article mentions nothing about a scheduled deportation date. Let’s follow this case, but I’d be willing to bet my house that the criminal in question will never be removed from this jurisdiction.

I think you will find I'm not the only one on the thread who has an issue with untrue & lazy stereotypes.

The article doesn't say anything about deportation, but then I would imagine that's the immigration authorities remit. Maybe they will allow him to pay back the other half of the money before deportation

Abel Ruiz

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I posted that in “After Hours”, before the thread was moved. Do keep up.

You’re the only one I hear talking about “shutting this place down”. I have told you, repeatedly, that it would be a disaster if this forum were closed and I have been consistent with that in the “Feedback” thread.

So, please, get your facts rights and stop with the insolence, pal. I’ve had enough of your “guff”, if you don’t like what I have to say then go ahead and hit the “ignore” button. Would be nice to be shot of you.

Emmet, shut your face.
You're a big cnut

Mod: Banned

soso02

Patrick2010 wrote: »

My objection to allowing in these scammers is the same as why we don't need to be allowing in violent scumbags. Just because we have a local collection of both doesn't mean we have to add to the numbers.

This is just an inevitability arising from immigration. If you let people in there's bound to be one black sheep. It's disappointing you regard his actions as representative of asylum seekers. In my dealings, I have found immigrants to be more pleasant to deal with than a certain ethnic group. Once educated, their children will end up being net contributors, it's a win win.

Jasis
Things have escalated

Hamachi

bubblypop wrote: »

Maybe they will allow him to pay back the other half of the money before deportation

That’s a very big ‘Maybe’ for what is the only correct outcome in this case. This state has an appalling record on enforcing deportation orders.

Given the precedence here, I won’t be holding my breath waiting to see the back of this individual.

Maybe, maybe not.
But that's immigrations call and there is no reason why they would publicise it even if it does happen.

smellyoldboot

soso02 wrote: »

This is just an inevitability arising from immigration. If you let people in there's bound to be one black sheep. It's disappointing you regard his actions as representative of asylum seekers. In my dealings, I have found immigrants to be more pleasant to deal with than a certain ethnic group. Once educated, their children will end up being net contributors, it's a win win.

That has worked absolutely swimmingly well in the UK, France, Belgium etc where there are absolutely no problems with 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants from Islamic backgrounds and peace and harmony is the order of the day.

Mad_maxx

smellyoldboot wrote: »

Isn't it funny how with all major sects there are certain stereotypes that largely ring true: Protestant: Work Ethic/Dourness, Catholicism: A certain fecklessness and Joie De Vive, Judaism: Financially aware/capable.

With Islam it's fast becoming: Dole cheats, gang rapists, backward, wants 25 prayer breaks during the working day....

many would insert clannish under judaism , i dont agree with the above BTW but seeing as we are stereotyping

i couldnt care less that so many bogus asylum seekers are muslim , if they were catholics from East Timor and here on a BS story , they should be deported

Hamachi

soso02 wrote: »

Once educated, their children will end up being net contributors, it's a win win.

Now that is a bold statement. Can you back that up with data and evidence from our neighboring societies?

Donald Trump

soso02 wrote: »

And I am sure tradesmen declare all their income honesty and are compliant, oh wait ? The cost of this one man to the exchequer pales in comparison to the persistent failure of many self employed to pay their due. If only you afforded this proportionate attention.
You are obviously motivated by inherent racial prejudices.

What are you talking about. All you are doing is trying to lazily shut down someone by shouting "racist" at them.

soso02

soso02 wrote: »

This is just an inevitability arising from immigration. If you let people in there's bound to be one black sheep. It's disappointing you regard his actions as representative of asylum seekers. In my dealings, I have found immigrants to be more pleasant to deal with than a certain ethnic group. Once educated, their children will end up being net contributors, it's a win win.

Actually, it's a bit early to be assuming that, since Ireland's experience with immigration is still relatively new. Many of the children involved leave Ireland or don't get decent work. At least, that's what seems to be the case across Europe.

Many do become contributors, although considering the cost of the parents and the children for the many years until they become employable, it's highly questionable whether they're net contributors.

As for there being one black sheep among many, that's not really the case either, judging by the percentages of people who remain on the lowest levels of income, or remain on welfare supports throughout their time in the host country.

WrenBoy

soso02 wrote: »

And I am sure tradesmen declare all their income honesty and are compliant, oh wait ? The cost of this one man to the exchequer pales in comparison to the persistent failure of many self employed to pay their due. If only you afforded this proportionate attention.
You are obviously motivated by inherent racial prejudices.

Well it is insult to injury when the guy avails of a compassionate system designed to help people, to take advantage and break the law for personal gain at our expense.

EmmetSpiceland

Abel Ruiz wrote: »

Emmet, shut your face.
You're a big cnut

How “uncivil”. Guess one shouldn’t expect much better from this forum.

Yellow_Fern

soso02 wrote: »

You'll find the indigenous peoples of Ireland are notorious for bogus social welfare claims.
Families in receipt in SUSI funding who could well afford to send their children to college but are privy to the inner workings of the assessment process.
Many people in receipt of PUP since March who are insulted by the suggestion that they should be actively seeking employment.
Many suspended cases have been dished out to Irish citizens caught evading tax/making false social welfare claims.
Why then OP is your gripe particular to the asylum seekers ? I believe we should be asking why these supports are easily available in the first place.

Because as a non-citizen he is a guest. If seems that you are irritated that an asylum seekers are being singled out but then you single out locals. That isnt a very consistent.

smellyoldboot

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

How “uncivil”. Guess one shouldn’t expect much better from this forum.

I don't know anything about you or whoever posted the reply (and I don't want to) but it was one of my favourite moments on boards so far. The crude balls out barbarity of it. Oof.

EmmetSpiceland

smellyoldboot wrote: »

I don't know anything about you or whoever posted the reply (and I don't want to) but it was one of my favourite moments on boards so far. The crude balls out barbarity of it. Oof.

While I can’t help but admire the “straightforwardness”, it’s just not how things are supposed to be on this site.

I should point out that I’m alright when you get to know me.

weldoninhio

bubblypop wrote: »

Maybe, maybe not.
But that's immigrations call and there is no reason why they would publicise it even if it does happen.

How about to show the public that we have a functioning deportation service and give them confidence in it? Much like Gardai standing in front of big drug or arms hauls.