Bought a Shotgun, Restricted or not?

Mech1

Hi all, quick question, I just bought a 1979
A5 Light 12 semi auto.

Do I apply for a restricted licence or a normal, its my third firearm in the house.

Thanks.

Mech1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM6jNh7FoEQ

Mech1

its for hunting only, im no longer a club member and wont be joining another club. ( Too much infighting and clickyness involved )
All of my licences so far are on Land permissions nothing to do with club membership.

Its a Japan made model with fixed full choke but im willing (if only cause i may have to) to buy a more open barrel in the future to work with steel .

Mech1

One More question, sorry.
Reason for on licence application.
I need it for close up work in Forestry controlling Rats, Squirrells, Fox, Corvids etc. good enough?

meathstevie

Mech1 wrote: »

Hi all, quick question, I just bought a 1979
A5 Light 12 semi auto.

Do I apply for a restricted licence or a normal, its my third firearm in the house.

Thanks.

Can it hold a total of three cartridges or less ? If the answer is yes it’s unrestricted if it holds more than three it’s restricted.

Mech1

im told it holds 3 by the dealer, but i guess its got a magazine blocker in it.

meathstevie

Mech1 wrote: »

im told it holds 3 by the dealer, but i guess its got a magazine blocker in it.

If that magazine plug can’t be readily removed without the use of tools it’s unrestricted as far as I know.

Mech1

meathstevie wrote: »

If that magazine plug can’t be readily removed without the use of tools it’s unrestricted as far as I know.

I think i read on here that you have or had a similar gun, Happy out?

Grizzly 45

meathstevie wrote: »

If that magazine plug can’t be readily removed without the use of tools it’s unrestricted as far as I know.

No need to guild the lilly there MS.;)It says adapted or modified to be incapable of holding more than 3 shots... No need to give them ideas.;)

Mech1

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

No need to guild the lilly there MS.;)It says adapted or modified to be incapable of holding more than 3 shots... No need to give them ideas.;)

So its fine as it is?

Grizzly 45

Mech1 wrote: »

One More question, sorry.
Reason for on licence application.
I need it for close up work in Forestry controlling Rats, Squirrells, Fox, Corvids etc. good enough?

"Vermin control" is good enough an explanation.:)

Mech1

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

"Vermin control" is good enough an explanation.:)

Understood, as above dont be Guilding the lilly.

Grizzly 45

Mech1 wrote: »

So its fine as it is?

Yup,if you just want it unrestricted leave it in and you are golden.
The act doesn't specify HOW mechanically these blocks are to be installed,it says "render incapable" the guns are to be put to 3 shots.[At least we are still trusted on that level, sofar.]
You can always at a later stage apply for it to be restricted if you find that 3 shots arent enough for the flocks of pigeons and crows and you want to run it by toy Cheif Super then.

Mech1

Thanks for the replys application hitting the desk in the morning.
Its a lovely gun and my dealer recons not 100 rounds through it yet and I trust him. Private appointment only RFD no shop or adverts just a real nice guy.

tudderone

I'm jealous, always fancied an old long recoil Browning A5. Not many of them around.

Mech1

My son tells me its the Red Dead Redemtion semi auto (video game), but I wouldnt know, he's as delighted as I am!!

Grizzly 45

Great guns.I cut my teeth duck hunting on my grandfathers 1950s A5, that he pretty much used as his walking stick. They are dirt eaters in ammo. Stuff anything into them and if set up properly will fire it and spit it out.
Just keep the mag tube spring and tube well oiled and put the recoil spring ring in the right place.[Bottom of the tube,then the recoil spring for heavy loads],and that's about it really for this gun in maintenance and set up.

tudderone

A great channel on YT for everything Browning is Arts gun shop. The old boy was a factory gunsmith and knows everything Browning inside out.

https://www.youtube.com/user/ArtIsaacson/videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqJ9lk0OUiA

tudderone

Mech1 wrote: »

My son tells me its the Red Dead Redemtion semi auto (video game), but I wouldnt know, he's as delighted as I am!!

They were famously used by the British in the malaysian jungle when there was a communist insurgency in the 1950's. The rifle was useless in close combat when you couldn't see your opponent often only a few yards away.

meathstevie

Mech1 wrote: »

I think i read on here that you have or had a similar gun, Happy out?

I did and now the son has it. It’s a Liege made 12g 3”. A little bit of trouble with the trigger/safety spring but I’ll source one soon. Otherwise it’s a great piece of kit. Ok, by modern standards they may be a bit heavy and clunky but a lot of modern semi’s would never stand up to the use and abuse you can give one of those old beasts.

If you would have any ejection issues here’s a little tip for you.

Before you do anything else check if the friction rings are inserted correctly and rub a drop of good gun oil on the magazine tube.

The second thing to do is remove the stock and remove and clean the bolt return/action spring. It can pick up quite a bit of crud over time and an overnight soak in oil followed by a good scrub with an old tooth brush works wonders.

meathstevie

Mech1 wrote: »

My son tells me its the Red Dead Redemtion semi auto (video game), but I wouldnt know, he's as delighted as I am!!

It is, going strong since the early 20th century. It’s been hunting and fighting in pretty much unchanged form since and has been in production for most of the 20th century.

It’s most specialised application probably was during WWII teaching USAAF bomber crews to shoot at moving targets from a moving platform.

Hunting wise it’s probably been used to hunt just about everything from snipe to deer.

Mr.Flibble

Friction ring / piece & spring setup:


https://www.browning.com/support/frequently-asked-questions/how-do-i-change-the-rings-on-my-auto-5.html Click the Browning North America option


I would suggest not to over-oil the tube.






The Original of the Species

cookimonster

If I understand what he's saying in the vid section, its ballsy of you to buy it as a hunting gun considering we are on the verge of a lead shot ban.

tudderone

cookimonster wrote: »

If I understand what he's saying in the vid section, its ballsy of you to buy it as a hunting gun considering we are on the verge of a lead shot ban.

Its brave of anyone to buy anything right now, shooting is fcuked for this season with the virus, and god alone knows what will happen with the lead. If the green wally party has their way, it'll all be gone, but we might get a compromise. Will there be compensation if your gun is made obsolete over night ?

Grizzly 45

tudderone wrote: »

. Will there be compensation if your gun is made obsolete over night ?

No,because they arent confiscating your property.And they now consider with the EU Soviet court ruling on this as a privilidge to liscense,own and get tested ,and fight for your private propertyin the form of firearms.

So IOW ,the EU charter on human rights to own proprty like the wall of rights in the barn in Orwells Animal farm,can be wilfully changed by the EU pigs when and to what it suits.

As we also have seen with lead shot and you traversing a "wetland" to go clay shooting. The presumption of guilt is now placed on you,to prove otherwise.

tudderone

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

No,because they arent confiscating your property.And they now consider with the EU Soviet court ruling on this as a privilidge to liscense,own and get tested ,and fight for your private propertyin the form of firearms.

So IOW ,the EU charter on human rights to own proprty like the wall of rights in the barn in Orwells Animal farm,can be wilfully changed by the EU pigs when and to what it suits.

As we also have seen with lead shot and you traversing a "wetland" to go clay shooting. The presumption of guilt is now placed on you,to prove otherwise.

The various law societies across europe should be jumping up and down over this. Doesn't the presumption of innocence stretch back to Magna Carta in English common law, even the Americans base their laws on it. As Horace Rumpole said "Everyman is presumed innocent, until 12 puzzled old darlings taken at random off the street say otherwise".

I know its an unpopular opinion in Ireland, but i really do think the British are correct getting the hell out of the eussr.

Del2005

tudderone wrote: »

The various law societies across europe should be jumping up and down over this. Doesn't the presumption of innocence stretch back to Magna Carta in English common law, even the Americans base their laws on it. As Horace Rumpole said "Everyman is presumed innocent, until 12 puzzled old darlings taken at random off the street say otherwise".

I know its an unpopular opinion in Ireland, but i really do think the British are correct getting the hell out of the eussr.

Not everything is a right. Driving is a privilege, a group from the UK went to the EU courts over the requirement to implicate yourself with a fixed penalty notice, and it now appears that shooting is also. So you only have the presumption of innocents when your rights are affected not your privileges.

We were quite good at removing guns from people before we joined the EU. If you think that we, a small country with no natural resources, would be better outside of the biggest trading block in the world you are as deluded as the Brexiters.

tudderone

Del2005 wrote: »

Not everything is a right. Driving is a privilege, a group from the UK went to the EU courts over the requirement to implicate yourself with a fixed penalty notice, and it now appears that shooting is also. So you only have the presumption of innocents when your rights are affected not your privileges.

We were quite good at removing guns from people before we joined the EU. If you think that we, a small country with no natural resources, would be better outside of the biggest trading block in the world you are as deluded as the Brexiters.

Sorry, please don't call me deluded because my opinion differs from the accepted official one, i didn't insult you. Exactly the same thing was said when Ireland left the British empire/commonwealth. We left that to regain our soverignty, then handed it to the unholy alliance of France and Germany, the only two countries that actually count in the eussr.

meathstevie

Del2005 wrote: »

Not everything is a right. Driving is a privilege, a group from the UK went to the EU courts over the requirement to implicate yourself with a fixed penalty notice, and it now appears that shooting is also. So you only have the presumption of innocents when your rights are affected not your privileges.

We were quite good at removing guns from people before we joined the EU. If you think that we, a small country with no natural resources, would be better outside of the biggest trading block in the world you are as deluded as the Brexiters.

That English motorists group was completely mistaken. You’re not required to pay fixed penalty notices or to send in your driving licence as it’s done in the UK. One was and is free to say thanks but no thanks I’ll take my day in court.

Grizzly 45

Del2005 wrote: »

Not everything is a right. Driving is a privilege, a group from the UK went to the EU courts over the requirement to implicate yourself with a fixed penalty notice, and it now appears that shooting is also. So you only have the presumption of innocents when your rights are affected not your privileges.

We were quite good at removing guns from people before we joined the EU. If you think that we, a small country with no natural resources, would be better outside of the biggest trading block in the world you are as deluded as the Brexiters.

And you misread the post. The second point was on a presumption of innocence under EU Soviet law being abused on two counts on two different topics.
[1] Violation of EUCHR article 5. That, if the state confiscates your property,it must recompense you to the market value of the item confiscated PRE confiscation date. IOW as a certain Herr Hitler was reliving a certain religion and others of their valuable property and paying a pittance for such.This was set up to prevent such happening again. Except if you happen to be a gun owner it seems,and live in Ireland and have certain types of firearms or high capacity mags.Which other EU countries got around by simply allowing those that have them to keep them.Even the UK has compensated shooters 3 times for confiscated property. The 3rd time just this month with MARS rifles.
[
2] Presumption of innocence is now gone in the lead shot debacle. Cross your land with lead shot to go after pheasants and you pass within 100 meters of a "wetland" which under EU definition is a puddle that formed on a field after a good rain shower, you are breaking the law as you had lead shot ammo in a wetland area, despite not even having an intent to use it or even have the gun with you!!! UP TO YOU to prove you had no intent to use it or knowingly intended to do such...Simplified a lot this example, but that's how crazy that new legislation is on this.

meathstevie

tudderone wrote: »

Sorry, please don't call me deluded because my opinion differs from the accepted official one, i didn't insult you. Exactly the same thing was said when Ireland left the British empire/commonwealth. We left that to regain our soverignty, then handed it to the unholy alliance of France and Germany, the only two countries that actually count in the eussr.

I wouldn’t be anti-EU in essence but I’ll be the first one to argue that the EU needs to be seriously looked at and go back to the drawing board. I’m all for continent wide food security, integration of strategic industries under joint governance, safe product standards, multi national management of natural resources, monetary stability and so on but that leaves you with the elephant in the room.

Organisations like the EU will always go on a power grab, wether that’s driven by it’s senior officials to justify their existence or driven by the desire of some of it’s member states to control other member states I don’t know but the problem is that in the end you end up with a very powerful supra national authority with practically zero accountability.

Well yeah, if your pockets stretch to several millions in legal fees you may go and try your hand in Luxembourg after you’ve exhausted the national legal system.

tudderone

meathstevie wrote: »

I wouldn’t be anti-EU in essence but I’ll be the first one to argue that the EU needs to be seriously looked at and go back to the drawing board. I’m all for continent wide food security, integration of strategic industries under joint governance, safe product standards, multi national management of natural resources, monetary stability and so on but that leaves you with the elephant in the room.

Organisations like the EU will always go on a power grab, wether that’s driven by it’s senior officials to justify their existence or driven by the desire of some of it’s member states to control other member states I don’t know but the problem is that in the end you end up with a very powerful supra national authority with practically zero accountability.

Well yeah, if your pockets stretch to several millions in legal fees you may go and try your hand in Luxembourg after you’ve exhausted the national legal system.

I wasn't that bothered about the eu either to be honest, i thought it was a good thing, until it changed from being a loose trading bloc, into being an organisation that wants to micro-manage every little thing, right down to how many rounds you can have in your gun and what they can be made of. Its gone too far.

tudderone

tudderone wrote: »

I wasn't that bothered about the eu either to be honest, i thought it was a good thing, until it changed from being a loose trading bloc, into being an organisation that wants to micro-manage every little thing, right down to how many rounds you can have in your gun and what they can be made of. Its gone too far.

I am of the same mind as this. But I will add that at what cost do we surrender our freedoms to these unelected/unelectable people? People talk economy, money, roads blah. Sooo, we have to give up any illusion of freedom we had before now because apparently there can be no jobs without the EU lording it over us.

As it is the EU is fecked. They have jumped the shark and there needs to be serious reform to take the power from the lobbyists and socialists. They do some good, but for me, what's the point in being pro-EU if they want to ban everything I do for fun. ie - shooting sports

Sorry for going off topic. Congratulations on the purchase and I hope you and your son have many happy shooting days.

tudderone

The Rifleman wrote: »

Sorry for going off topic. Congratulations on the purchase and I hope you and your son have many happy shooting days.

100%, like i said i am jealous of the A5. I love anything browning, and still kick myself for not buying a 9mm Hi-power when they were licenceable here

Just hope you can get out and shoot the thing as intended with both the Virus and the lead ban.

tudderone

tudderone wrote: »

100%, like i said i am jealous of the A5. I love anything browning, and still kick myself for not buying a 9mm Hi-power when they were licenceable here

Just hope you can get out and shoot the thing as intended with both the Virus and the lead ban.

Hi-power is a nice looking gun. Ever shoot one?

Shooting is now possible even with a level 5 lockdown as long as it is local. Lead ban is two years away so get stocking up on lead and enjoy that gun.

Grizzly 45

tudderone wrote: »

I wasn't that bothered about the eu either to be honest, i thought it was a good thing, until it changed from being a loose trading bloc, into being an organisation that wants to micro-manage every little thing, right down to how many rounds you can have in your gun and what they can be made of. Its gone too far.

Yes but that was the plan from the word go,it was to do with a united Europe under either Nazism or Socialism.and is now developing into corporate globalism As both of these disgusting ideologies have had their grubby paws in this from the start.

For those who want to know id suggest reading up on;

The Ventotene declaration A lovely little island in the Med off Naples which if you ever get the chance you should visit. But has given its namesake to a keystone EU document.

The Frankfurt school of economics. And no it is not a physical school building as one dopey Irish minister said to me when I asked him about his thoughts on it?:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

On the right wing
The following characters; Walter Hallstein,Paul Henri Spaak,Hans Josef Globke, Robert Schuman,Prince Bernhard of Lippe-Biesterfeld in Germany and later of the Netherlands.
What the Charlemagne Prize is , and who it has been awarded to?

What is the Bilderberg group and its influence on the EU? And which Irish minister have attended, and what happened in Ireland afterwards?

On the Left
Altiero Spinelli,Jean Monnet, José Manuel Durão Barroso, Angelica Merkel
Baroness Cathe­rine Ashton,Joaquin Almunia

When you have boned up on that little lot,and see what sort of influence they have had on all our lives...You can see maybe why Britan is leaving ....a bit late too.But did you know there were TWO other countries that never wanted to come into the EU Soviet fold and have stayed out and are doing quite well thanks very much?

tudderone

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Yes but that was the plan from the word go,it was to do with a united Europe under either Nazism or Socialism.and is now developing into corporate globalism As both of these disgusting ideologies have had their grubby paws in this from the start.

For those who want to know id suggest reading up on;

The Ventotene declaration A lovely little island in the Med off Naples which if you ever get the chance you should visit. But has given its namesake to a keystone EU document.

The Frankfurt school of economics. And no it is not a physical school building as one dopey Irish minister said to me when I asked him about his thoughts on it?:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

On the right wing
The following characters; Walter Hallstein,Paul Henri Spaak,Hans Josef Globke, Robert Schuman,Prince Bernhard of Lippe-Biesterfeld in Germany and later of the Netherlands.
What the Charlemagne Prize is , and who it has been awarded to?

What is the Bilderberg group and its influence on the EU? And which Irish minister have attended, and what happened in Ireland afterwards?

On the Left
Altiero Spinelli,Jean Monnet, José Manuel Durão Barroso, Angelica Merkel
Baroness Cathe­rine Ashton,Joaquin Almunia

When you have boned up on that little lot,and see what sort of influence they have had on all our lives...You can see maybe why Britan is leaving ....a bit late too.But did you know there were TWO other countries that never wanted to come into the EU Soviet fold and have stayed out and are doing quite well thanks very much?

Norway, in which the biggest party is now a eurosceptic one and they seem to want to put distance between themselves and the EU, and Iceland, which was in the process of joining and then said stuff it.

Bilderberg, oh yes, one of those organisations not for the consumption of the proles, a millionaires/billionaires boys club. Journalists who had the audacity to ask questions at the Swiss meeting were locked up, roadblocks, heavily armed police etc.

meathstevie

tudderone wrote: »

I wasn't that bothered about the eu either to be honest, i thought it was a good thing, until it changed from being a loose trading bloc, into being an organisation that wants to micro-manage every little thing, right down to how many rounds you can have in your gun and what they can be made of. Its gone too far.

It never was a loose trading block to start with, it’s initial inception was to bundle the West German and French coal and steel industry under a joint authority essentially preventing a sneaky arms race and military build up leading to another war between the two like there had been three times in less than a century.

The EEC came a good bit after that and after the round of reciprocal currency devaluations in the 1980’s between Western European countries the idea of a monetary union slowly but surely started to gain traction to prevent another catastrophic inflation spiral as well.

tudderone

The Rifleman wrote: »

Hi-power is a nice looking gun. Ever shoot one?

Shooting is now possible even with a level 5 lockdown as long as it is local. Lead ban is two years away so get stocking up on lead and enjoy that gun.

No, never shot one but like many Browning products, they have a great reputation.

meathstevie

The Rifleman wrote: »

Hi-power is a nice looking gun. Ever shoot one?

Shooting is now possible even with a level 5 lockdown as long as it is local. Lead ban is two years away so get stocking up on lead and enjoy that gun.

A design started by Browning himself and brought to production by the wizard’s apprentice, Dieudonne Saive, who designed the double stack magazine. Saive had taken over from Browning at FN after Browning’s death at the Liege plant in 1926. Saive himself was responsible for improvements to the Browning M1919, .50 cal machine gun and so on. In his own right his best known designs are probably the FAL and FN GPMG (MAG).

I’ve had the pleasure of shooting one on a few occasions at a range. It’s a bit like the A5 really, a bit dated by now with it’s all metal construction but it’s the grandfather of all high capacity 9mm pistols and just about every country outside the old Warsaw Pact has used them in either military or law enforcement roles at some stage.

Del2005

tudderone wrote: »

Sorry, please don't call me deluded because my opinion differs from the accepted official one, i didn't insult you. Exactly the same thing was said when Ireland left the British empire/commonwealth. We left that to regain our soverignty, then handed it to the unholy alliance of France and Germany, the only two countries that actually count in the eussr.

How did we manage when we had our sovereignty? Our biggest export was our youth and the country was a basket case. The EU is far from perfect but we would be in a worse position if we were not in it. We have immigration now and are relatively well off compared to a lot of countries.

Do you think that if we weren't in the EU we would have free access to firearms? History shows that it's highly unlikely.

tudderone

Del2005 wrote: »

How did we manage when we had our sovereignty? Our biggest export was our youth and the country was a basket case. The EU is far from perfect but we would be in a worse position if we were not in it. We have immigration now and are relatively well off compared to a lot of countries.

Do you think that if we weren't in the EU we would have free access to firearms? History shows that it's highly unlikely.

We are doing well because we are a tax haven for big American countries, the government helping Apple to dodge billions in taxes is one example we all know about. The EU is not happy with that situation and will put a stop to it probably in the not too distant future. Where will these companies head to next ?

The country a basket case ? I wander around town and see tent encampments in parks and on footpaths, people living in cardboard in doorways, i see endless young people abusing drugs, some utopia. my father had few qualifications and an average job and was able to buy a house, i did both apprenticeship and degree and i cannot afford the rent in dublin let alone to buy somewhere.

See the EU were caught breaking the rules with the lead ban vote ? Reform ? They don't want reform, they want overarching power and will not be shy in grabbing it, the ends justify the means.

Grizzly 45

Del2005 wrote: »

Do you think that if we weren't in the EU we would have free access to firearms? History shows that it's highly unlikely.

That's a good one!! Gave me a good chuckle that!:rolleyes:
A perusal of the various EU directives,and future EU directive plans,as well as allowing individual countries to gold plate and make it more stringent than the EU directive might shatter that delusion.
Our laws were perfectly adequate in the 1925 act.

Grizzly 45

meathstevie wrote: »

It never was a loose trading block to start with, it’s initial inception was to bundle the West German and French coal and steel industry under a joint authority essentially preventing a sneaky arms race and military build up leading to another war between the two like there had been three times in less than a century.

The EEC came a good bit after that and after the round of reciprocal currency devaluations in the 1980’s between Western European countries the idea of a monetary union slowly but surely started to gain traction to prevent another catastrophic inflation spiral as well.

Bit of a shocker...It was actually conceived in the 3rd Reich.Along with a Euro currency. Those people I mentioned in a previous post are all EX Nazis who got into power in post war Germany and France and started this trading bloc idea. What Hitler couldn't conquer militarily, Germany has done economically in the last 70 years by trade and economics. They have played a long term game this time along with their Leftist buddies,so much so that we are now living in a Socialist/Fascist "China lite" society,and we don even recognise this fact in the wEstern countries.
The East bloc ers do however know Communism and Socialism and Fascism when they see it.after living under both the Nazi and Soviet boot for 60 years they are experts on its joys. So no wonder they are acting all Bolshie at any given moment.

tudderone

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Del2005 wrote: »

That's a good one!! Gave me a good chuckle that!:rolleyes:
A perusal of the various EU directives,and future EU directive plans,as well as allowing individual countries to gold plate and make it more stringent than the EU directive might shatter that delusion.
Our laws were perfectly adequate in the 1925 act.

Yes, things were not that bad here up until the wildmen of the north started their lunacy in '69. The temporary custody order, which did sfa, was to set the tone for years. Now we have the Drugs gangs running amok.

Mech1

Hi again, OP here, I'm gonna start you guys a new thread, thanks for clogging up mine!!!

tudderone

Well did you get this old Browning yet Mech1 ? Any pictures or reports of it ?

Mech1

No word yet on the licence.

tudderone

Mech1 wrote: »

No word yet on the licence.

Loads of gardai off with the virus, probably going slow on the licence processing.

Mississippi.

Mech1 wrote: »

No word yet on the licence.

Christmas break in the middle of it also.