What’s the WORST fitness advice you’ve ever heard?

tejas109

I'll go first. When I was 19 I went to the doctor because of some knee pain I was feeling from my runs. The doctors advice was to stop running all together. No mention of exercises/treatment to help return back to running, just stop doing it.

dashoonage

Crossfit

Patsy167

tejas109 wrote: »

I'll go first. When I was 19 I went to the doctor because of some knee pain I was feeling from my runs. The doctors advice was to stop running all together. No mention of exercises/treatment to help return back to running, just stop doing it.

"If something causes pain, stop doing it" is fairly sound advice as a preventative measure to stop the problem becoming worse.

A plan to work or around the issue would have been good, but you've got off lightly if that really is the worst advice you have heard.

I'm always surprised to hear females avoiding weights over a fear of becoming bulky while most lads slaving away in the gym for years are dreaming of one day gaining an ounce of muscle!

Cill94

So much crap over the years, it's hard to choose a winner.

When I was in 2nd or 3rd year, my rugby coach encouraged us all not to drink water during training sessions, as our bodies would become too dependant on it.

Also after injuring my shoulder in rugby (most likely a torn labrum), I went to see a 'shoulder specialist' doctor. He encouraged me to keep playing and lifting weights (despite the pain) and gave me a cortisone injection. I later found out that cortisone injections should be last resort as they can do permanent damage to connective tissue.

Dtp1979

To make sure and take your protein shake within 15 mins after your workout

iguana

Patsy167 wrote: »

I'm always surprised to hear females avoiding weights over a fear of becoming bulky while most lads slaving away in the gym for years are dreaming of one day gaining an ounce of muscle!

Plenty of women build muscle easily while many men don’t. People, male and female, with mesomorphic body types build muscle easily. I’m a short mesomorph and become visibly muscular really easily. I think that rather than try to minimize the likelihood of a woman gaining muscle, we should be pushing the notion that if you build muscle easily it’s because that’s how your body is meant to be.

Alf Veedersane

iguana wrote: »

Plenty of women build muscle easily while many men don’t. People, male and female, with mesomorphic body types build muscle easily. I’m a short mesomorph and become visibly muscular really easily. I think that rather than try to minimize the likelihood of a woman gaining muscle, we should be pushing the notion that if you build muscle easily it’s because that’s how your body is meant to be.

I dont disagree but I dont think that's quite what he's talking about. Being more toned and appearing more muscular is different to appearing to be bulky with big muscles

iguana

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

I dont disagree but I dont think that's quite what he's talking about. Being more toned and appearing more muscular is different to appearing to be bulky with big muscles

I’m bulky enough that I’ve gotten a few ‘concerned’ comments about how I’m in danger of looking like a man. Which I’m fairly sure is exactly what most women who worry about getting too muscular don’t want. Jessica Ennis has even admitted to concerns at times about the muscularity of her arms.

caviardreams

I would also say there' s a bigger issue of some women not wanting to look "bulky" largely because society will judge them for it, rather than it necessarily being their preference e.g. the risk of attracting the "concerned" comments like you mention iguana, even if they might be happy looking like that themselves.

Alf Veedersane

iguana wrote: »

I’m bulky enough that I’ve gotten a few ‘concerned’ comments about how I’m in danger of looking like a man. Which I’m fairly sure is exactly what most women who worry about getting too muscular don’t want. Jessica Ennis has even admitted to concerns at times about the muscularity of her arms.

To be fair, an elite level, professional athlete with three Worlds and and an Olympic gold isn't the best example for the general population though.

The vast majority won't look bulky doing general resistance training.

Insect Overlord

tejas109 wrote: »

I'll go first. When I was 19 I went to the doctor because of some knee pain I was feeling from my runs. The doctors advice was to stop running all together. No mention of exercises/treatment to help return back to running, just stop doing it.

Is this not the first chapter of Born To Run by Christopher McDougall?

iguana

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

To be fair, an elite level, professional athlete with three Worlds and and an Olympic gold isn't the best example for the general population though.

The vast majority won't look bulky doing general resistance training.

I don't think Ennis has ever remotely looked bulky. She's the very definition of toned and muscular. But even someone like Ennis who looked like she did when competing because she had honed her body to best serve her goals, still felt at times like her arms were too muscular because the majority of women have learned on some level that we shouldn't look like that.

Alf Veedersane

iguana wrote: »

I don't think Ennis has ever remotely looked bulky. She's the very definition of toned and muscular. But even someone like Ennis who looked like she did when competing because she had honed her body to best serve her goals, still felt at times like her arms were too muscular because the majority of women have learned on some level that we shouldn't look like that.

I don't think she looked bulky either. I was just tying it back to the poster's point about looking bulky. And I agree that the thinking needs to be recalibrated.

But your average person is not going to look like a professional, elite athlete from training 2/3/4 times a week anyway.

Mellor

iguana wrote: »

I don't think Ennis has ever remotely looked bulky. She's the very definition of toned and muscular. But even someone like Ennis who looked like she did when competing because she had honed her body to best serve her goals, still felt at times like her arms were too muscular because the majority of women have learned on some level that we shouldn't look like that.

I agree that she shouldn't have felt like that. I think she looked great. And it's not right if she feels like that because of others, or a "learned" response. However, it's also not right for anybody to tell her how she feels isn't right or real either.

But that said, when women say "I don't want to do weights because I don't want to get bulky/muscular/masculine", in the vast majority they aren't imagining Jessica Ennis but rather female bodybuilders types.

Macy0161

So much diet/ food stuff I wouldn't even know where to begin. Every thread on every forum seems to be derailed by people spouting "facts" that have no real scientific backing. Some people are like religious fundamentalists in their belief in their diet, despite a lack of evidence.

TP_CM

The first exposure I ever had to the gym was a bodybuilder housemate. I was over 6 ft and 64Kg. I was an absolute rake. He brought me in and using Protein, Creatine, and all the rest (no roids though), I packed on quite a lot of weight. For the whole of my 20s I did nothing but chest on Mondays, back and arms on Tuesday, Legs on Wednesday and so on. No stretching or cardio.

Now I'm in my 30s and I have zero flexibility. No pain thank god, but moving around is difficult because I just don't have the range of motion. I'm stiff as be-damned. I wish more than anything I had met a calisthenics person back then instead of a bodybuilder. I'm trying to get into it, but I have a very long road ahead, and finding the right starting point is quite hard.

Cill94

Macy0161 wrote: »

So much diet/ food stuff I wouldn't even know where to begin. Every thread on every forum seems to be derailed by people spouting "facts" that have no real scientific backing. Some people are like religious fundamentalists in their belief in their diet, despite a lack of evidence.

The belly fat threads are the worst for this

bladespin

Dieting makes you gain weight is a current leader for me, closely followed by feeling hungry = eating disorder. Yikes.


Not very pro diets but still.

Black Sheep

Worst advice...

I'll have to go with the old chestnut that squatting and deadlifting heavy will ruin your back and knees.

I still get offered that one, last week in a changing room at work was the last time. By a guy who probably couldn't squat the bar alone to depth.

TP_CM wrote: »

The first exposure I ever had to the gym was a bodybuilder housemate. I was over 6 ft and 64Kg. I was an absolute rake. He brought me in and using Protein, Creatine, and all the rest (no roids though), I packed on quite a lot of weight. For the whole of my 20s I did nothing but chest on Mondays, back and arms on Tuesday, Legs on Wednesday and so on. No stretching or cardio.

Now I'm in my 30s and I have zero flexibility. No pain thank god, but moving around is difficult because I just don't have the range of motion. I'm stiff as be-damned. I wish more than anything I had met a calisthenics person back then instead of a bodybuilder. I'm trying to get into it, but I have a very long road ahead, and finding the right starting point is quite hard.

Ah sure look, who knows though... Had you had a room-mate who was into callisthenics and bodyweight training you might be on here now lamenting that you are still 64kg and look like a scarecrow...

I would say it's easier to acquire mobility in your 30s and onward than it is to gain muscle mass...

Insect Overlord

Probably not the worst thing ever, but one that I'll never forget was the Gaelic football coach we had one season who wouldn't let us use footballs until he thought we were fit enough. We had weeks and weeks of military-inspired runs up and down the pitch and the odd bit of sprinting. Our football skills went to hell and we had no tactical work at all, morale dropped, and it was something of a miracle that we weren't relegated back down to Junior A that season.

Yuser.

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Probably not the worst thing ever, but one that I'll never forget was the Gaelic football coach we had one season who wouldn't let us use footballs until he thought we were fit enough. We had weeks and weeks of military-inspired runs up and down the pitch and the odd bit of sprinting. Our football skills went to hell and we had no tactical work at all, morale dropped, and it was something of a miracle that we weren't relegated back down to Junior A that season.

Pat Spillane said recently everything should be done with the ball

He was probably right

Patsy167

Yuser. wrote: »

Pat Spillane said recently everything should be done with the ball

He was probably right

Might not be a popular opinion but as a supporter and and former player, the main reason I see lower level club teams in soccer/GAA doing badly is because the Fitness just isn't up to scratch.

Our Saturday league soccer team would fool ourselves pinning defeats on skills and tactics when the truth was that the average BF% and cardio of the team was nowhere near acceptable. I would have loved to seen stats on goals conceded in the last 20 mins, half of us were off our feet.

Ball work is important and should be mixed in (zero ball work is silly, specificity etc etc) but I think fitness correlates much better with overall team performance than skill at the lower levels (Junior,intermediate, Saturday/Sunday League)

Alf Veedersane

Patsy167 wrote: »

Might not be a popular opinion but as a supporter and and former player, the main reason I see lower level club teams in soccer/GAA doing badly is because the Fitness just isn't up to scratch.

Our Saturday league soccer team would fool ourselves pinning defeats on skills and tactics when the truth was that the average BF% and cardio of the team was nowhere near acceptable. I would have loved to seen stats on goals conceded in the last 20 mins, half of us were off our feet.

Ball work is important and should be mixed in (zero ball work is silly, specificity etc etc) but I think fitness correlates much better with overall team performance than skill at the lower levels (Junior,intermediate, Saturday/Sunday League)

Whether or not it's popular, it's correct.

I don't think the fitness should necessarily come completely at the expense of ball work but if you're not fit enough to win a race to a ball, chase your man to tackle him, keep ahead of anyone trying to tackle you, then it won't matter how good you are with the ball because you won't have your hands on it for too long.

Yuser.

I didn't mean to be definitive there about the ball

It's a combination of talent, fitness and coaching imo

Talent usually wins out and is to be admired

Insect Overlord

I think the point I was trying to make was more about functional fitness. All I remember is the whole panel being made to run in one direction at the same time, at the same pace, turn right, turn left like an army drill, rather than the kind of multi-directional movements and changes of pace we might have needed in a match situation.

paw patrol

Dtp1979 wrote: »

To make sure and take your protein shake within 15 mins after your workout

if that's the worst advise you ever got you got off lightly. off course it's not true but it's not terrible advise either (not gonna kill you)



One of the issues with advice (and many forums where where this advise spews from) is people get this golden nugget of info from somebody..


for example.
I know McGregors coach and he says A B C


when the truth is that such advise is highly specific to elite athletes with genetics that drive them above the common man at that sport.

The advise is probably not that applicable (if ,at all) to you not matter how hard to work.
If it could be - i.e you are elite you probably aren't on a forum seeking advise from some lad stealing one liners off alan aragon /martin mcdonald types.


anyway the worst advice I got (and still see) if when Coachs/PT or Instagram famous tell you something is better or more inefficient. They completely ignore the psychological factors and assume everybody is robotic and forget that a person turning up to train is #1 and that's the overriding factor.

Patsy167

paw patrol wrote: »

if that's the worst advise you ever got you got off lightly. off course it's not true but it's not terrible advise either (not gonna kill you)



One of the issues with advice (and many forums where where this advise spews from) is people get this golden nugget of info from somebody..


for example.
I know McGregors coach and he says A B C


when the truth is that such advise is highly specific to elite athletes with genetics that drive them above the common man at that sport.

The advise is probably not that applicable (if ,at all) to you not matter how hard to work.
If it could be - i.e you are elite you probably aren't on a forum seeking advise from some lad stealing one liners off alan aragon /martin mcdonald types.


anyway the worst advice I got (and still see) if when Coachs/PT or Instagram famous tell you something is better or more inefficient. They completely ignore the psychological factors and assume everybody is robotic and forget that a person turning up to train is #1 and that's the overriding factor.

100% this. I wish there was a rule that all nutrition & fitness advice must be prefaced with context and state the target audience that it applies too; it would eliminate so much misunderstanding and overthinking.

So much time is wasted worrying about concepts and protocols that apply to 1% of the population.

purifol0

Current worst advice advocated by pretty much everyone and is wrong is that exercise is not as important as diet.

I LOATHE this advice because the truth is exercise will directly influence your diet and mitigate cravings for junk food & regular snacking.

People treat diet and exercise as two completely separate things, when the truth is they are directly related.

Since I've been on the work from home I find I can do a workout at 2pm and not feel like having lunch at all and not until dinnertime. That's typical of what exercise can do for you - pull calories from fat instead of you just eating more to feel full. When I was at the office I had to eat lunch and would be absolutely starving if I didn't. It's nice to have abs again in my late 30's!

Alf Veedersane

purifol0 wrote: »

Current worst advice advocated by pretty much everyone and is wrong is that exercise is not as important as diet.

I LOATHE this advice because the truth is exercise will directly influence your diet and mitigate cravings for junk food & regular snacking.

People treat diet and exercise as two completely separate things, when the truth is they are directly related.

Since I've been on the work from home I find I can do a workout at 2pm and not feel like having lunch at all and not until dinnertime. That's typical of what exercise can do for you - pull calories from fat instead of you just eating more to feel full. When I was at the office I had to eat lunch and would be absolutely starving if I didn't. It's nice to have abs again in my late 30's!

I don't think anyone would advocate that exercise isn't important but rather that it isn't entirely necessary to create a deficit and the most effective way to create a deficit is by managing your diet.

That's not to say that exercise can't help you manage your diet, and you've illustrated that it does for you.

The reality is that you can exercise regularly and not lose weight because your diet isn't in check.

But no one would/should argue that exercise isn't important.

purifol0

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

I don't think anyone would advocate that exercise isn't important but rather that it isn't entirely necessary to create a deficit and the most effective way to create a deficit is by managing your diet.

That's not to say that exercise can't help you manage your diet, and you've illustrated that it does for you.

The reality is that you can exercise regularly and not lose weight because your diet isn't in check.

But no one would/should argue that exercise isn't important.

Sorry but this is exactly what I'm talking about - if just eating less worked than people wouldn't fail diets.


If you exercise hard (ish) and often you simply wont have to worry about it - your body will regulate its blood sugar levels so cravings cease.


"Just eat less" will also cause you to lose muscle, but its a pretty good tactic if your under age 27 as your body will still produce hormones in enough quantities.



Exercise & specifically weight lifting causes your body to put food energy into muscle cells not fat cells, meaning you don't have to calorie restrict at all for your body to look better and for you to be less fat. This directly contradicts your reply.



So if you are rocking a dad bod and aren't massively obese lifting weights is straight up better than calorie restriction.

Alf Veedersane

purifol0 wrote: »

Sorry but this is exactly what I'm talking about - if just eating less worked than people wouldn't fail diets.

There are a million different reasons that people fail diets and few have anything to do with exercise.

purifol0 wrote: »

If you exercise hard (ish) and often you simply wont have to worry about it - your body will regulate its blood sugar levels so cravings cease.

That's just not true

purifol0 wrote: »

"Just eat less" will also cause you to lose muscle, but its a pretty good tactic if your under age 27 as your body will still produce hormones in enough quantities.

I specifically mentioned weight loss. Exercise will burn calories to create a deficit so it's much of a muchness. You're specifically talking about resistance training it seems. And I don't disagree that a calorie deficit will result in muscle loss unless you do resistance training to mitigate muscle loss. But for weight loss, a calorie deficit alone will work.

purifol0 wrote: »

Exercise & specifically weight lifting causes your body to put food energy into muscle cells not fat cells, meaning you don't have to calorie restrict at all for your body to look better and for you to be less fat. This directly contradicts your reply.

Steady on with the bro science. If what you're saying above was true, people wouldn't put on fat when they bulked.

But, as I already said, I would never advocate not exercising and would advise sone form of resistance training.

But losing weight is down to controlling caloric intake and doesn't necessarily need to involve exercise.

purifol0

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

There are a million different reasons that people fail diets and few have anything to do with exercise.




That's just not true




I specifically mentioned weight loss. Exercise will burn calories to create a deficit so it's much of a muchness. You're specifically talking about resistance training it seems. And I don't disagree that a calorie deficit will result in muscle loss unless you do resistance training to mitigate muscle loss. But for weight loss, a calorie deficit alone will work.





Steady on with the bro science. If what you're saying above was true, people wouldn't put on fat when they bulked.

But, as I already said, I would never advocate not exercising and would advise sone form of resistance training.

But losing weight is down to controlling caloric intake and doesn't necessarily need to involve exercise.

Losing weight should not mean losing muscle and it's downright stupid to act like it does. Covid caused a lot of people to lose weight real quick this year including Lewis Hamilton. Most of that was muscle. Would you class that as losing weight or being sick?

Universally "losing weight" is synonymous with losing fat; please don't try to move the goal posts on that.

As for what I have written on exercise controlling weight loss - I will repeat it does so by regulating blood sugar levels and pulling energy out of fat stores. If you don't do any exercise and eat less your body is going to feel horrible because good (anabolic) hormone levels haven't increased to help access energy in fat. So now you're hungry and your body decides to excrete the bad hormone cortisol (catabolic) which makes you stressed AND causes you to stay fat and will strip muscle in the process.

Also "Bulking" is just eating way more than your body needs and it's nearly always completely stupid. If you exercise and eat a normal amount of food (your daily basal metabolic rate or "maintenance") with enough protein you'll gain muscle and lose fat. If you "bulk" you're just overeating full stop, resulting in fat gain. Since fat turns testosterone into estrogen congrats on ruining your gains. Of course if you want to bulk like crazy and not get fat go get yourself a doctor to prescribe you "testosterone therapy" and then buy some DNP off the dark net.

As for your "exercise burns calories so that's a deficit " comment well now unlike cardio, weight lifting doesn't burn much while you do it - it's the "after burn" effect that does. Testosterone and Human Growth Hormone levels are raised for about a day afterward effectively raising your metabolic rate, most notably burning fat while while you sleep so you wake up hungry.

This is a very good thing but the exact opposite will happen if you decide to calorie restrict yourself by eating regular meals with less food. Your body won't pull any energy out of fat storage and you'll get cranky. This is why "intermittent fasting" along with exercise (can be low impact cardio) before breakfast is a better option. This burns fat faster because you've got high grehlin and low insulin levels after sleeping and that causes your body to run on fat from your fat cells until you eat again.

Your body composition is based more on hormones then most people realise. And exercise is key to producing the hormones you want to have and keep lean muscle mass. If diet was all there was to it thin women wouldn't hate going on the pill because it makes them fat. No change in their diets but a hefty amount of fat gain because that's what estrogen does.

How's that for bro science

Cill94

purifol0 wrote: »

How's that for bro science

I'd give you a solid 7/10. Needs more misunderstanding of basic fat metabolism though.

Dtp1979

purifol0 wrote: »

How's that for bro science

If you included how important it is to take whey protein within 15 mins after your workout then you could have your piece published in Men’s Health 1988

Alf Veedersane

To start, you're not talking about 'exercise' but lifting weights because some of your points don't stack up for exercise across the board. Endurance training won't increase testosterone for example.

But I also need to restate that I'm mot advocating not exercising. Just stating a fairly straightforward fact that diet will be the primary driver of weight loss.

purifol0 wrote: »

Losing weight should not mean losing muscle and it's downright stupid to act like it does. Covid caused a lot of people to lose weight real quick this year including Lewis Hamilton. Most of that was muscle. Would you class that as losing weight or being sick?

No one knows most of what they lost was muscle. You would definitely lose strength due to the inactivity of being sick but in the time frame but not a huge amount of muscle. He said his strength was at a low level but went on to say that he's lost so much muscle but that doesn't stack up with the timeframe of his being sick based on studies on the level of muscle loss when someone is immobilised.

But that's beside the point. I'm not sure why you think that rapid weight loss due to being sick supports anything you've said. If someone had a leg amputated, no one would class that as losing weight either.

purifol0 wrote: »

Universally "losing weight" is synonymous with losing fat; please don't try to move the goal posts on that.

I didn't. Not sure why you needed to say that.

purifol0 wrote: »

As for what I have written on exercise controlling weight loss - I will repeat it does so by regulating blood sugar levels and pulling energy out of fat stores. If you don't do any exercise and eat less your body is going to feel horrible because good (anabolic) hormone levels haven't increased to help access energy in fat. So now you're hungry and your body decides to excrete the bad hormone cortisol (catabolic) which makes you stressed AND causes you to stay fat and will strip muscle in the process.

So if someone 5 stone overweight exercises but changes nothing about their diet, they will automatically become a healthy weight? Interesting. Evidence would suggest otherwise.

purifol0 wrote: »

Also "Bulking" is just eating way more than your body needs and it's nearly always completely stupid. If you exercise and eat a normal amount of food (your daily basal metabolic rate or "maintenance") with enough protein you'll gain muscle and lose fat. If you "bulk" you're just overeating full stop, resulting in fat gain. Since fat turns testosterone into estrogen congrats on ruining your gains. Of course if you want to bulk like crazy and not get fat go get yourself a doctor to prescribe you "testosterone therapy" and then buy some DNP off the dark net.

Bulking isn't eating 'way more than your body needs'. It's eating above your TDEE so that you can provide for muscle growth along with training to provide the stimulus. Eating at maintenance to lose fat is body recomposition. They're different things.

Adding too much fat obviously decreases insulin sensitivity in the muscles so the level of bulk should be sensible. But none of that means bulking is overeating to a stupid degree by default.

purifol0 wrote: »

As for your "exercise burns calories so that's a deficit " comment well now unlike cardio, weight lifting doesn't burn much while you do it - it's the "after burn" effect that does. Testosterone and Human Growth Hormone levels are raised for about a day afterward effectively raising your metabolic rate, most notably burning fat while while you sleep so you wake up hungry.

You're totally overstating the impact of EPOC ('after burn'). The extra calories burned will be somewhere in the region of 100-200. But you won't be exercising at the intensity to get that level of EPOC for as long as you would be doing cardio so the effect is levelled off purely in terms of calorie burn.

The effect of EPOC is greatest after the exercise and decays over time so unless you go to sleep straight after, there won't be a massive amount happening while you sleep.

purifol0 wrote: »

This is a very good thing but the exact opposite will happen if you decide to calorie restrict yourself by eating regular meals with less food. Your body won't pull any energy out of fat storage and you'll get cranky. This is why "intermittent fasting" along with exercise (can be low impact cardio) before breakfast is a better option. This burns fat faster because you've got high grehlin and low insulin levels after sleeping and that causes your body to run on fat from your fat cells until you eat again.

Fasted cardio doesn't do anything for burning fat compared with training after eating.

https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12970-014-0054-7

purifol0 wrote: »

Your body composition is based more on hormones then most people realise. And exercise is key to producing the hormones you want to have and keep lean muscle mass. If diet was all there was to it thin women wouldn't hate going on the pill because it makes them fat. No change in their diets but a hefty amount of fat gain because that's what estrogen does.

The pill doesn't cause fat gain. There may be water retention but you'll be doing well to find studies that support the idea that hormonal contraceptives cause a hefty amount of weight gain.


Again, I never said to not exercise or that exercise isn't beneficial nor that they are two completely independent things. But the primary driver for weight loss is going to be the caloric deficit.

Resistance training, recovery, sleep and hormones will have an impact on body composition but that doesn't change or undermine the fundamental influence and importance of energy balance on body mass.

purifol0

Cill94 wrote: »

I'd give you a solid 7/10. Needs more misunderstanding of basic fat metabolism though.

Feel free to add in any corrections

bladespin

purifol0 wrote: »

Current worst advice advocated by pretty much everyone and is wrong is that exercise is not as important as diet.

I honestly don’t remember anyone posting that exercise wasn’t important (even the wombles) that said it’s only a fraction of the requirement to loose weight or drop bf, diet (nutrition) is by far the biggest factor in this.

A normal, healthy person cannot control their weight by exercising, I’m sure the majority here have trained to oblivion and wondered why the weight doesn’t drop.

Speaking from personal experience, regular and intense training does not quell the desire for chocolate or taco fries, if only it did.

Cill94

purifol0 wrote: »

Feel free to add in any corrections

It's Christmas eve, and I'm not gonna change your mind anyways. I'm good.

purifol0

bladespin wrote: »

I honestly don’t remember anyone posting that exercise wasn’t important (even the wombles) that said it’s only a fraction of the requirement to loose weight or drop bf, diet (nutrition) is by far the biggest factor in this.

A normal, healthy person cannot control their weight by exercising, I’m sure the majority here have trained to oblivion and wondered why the weight doesn’t drop.

Speaking from personal experience, regular and intense training does not quell the desire for chocolate or taco fries, if only it did.

"A normal healthy person cannot control their weight by exercising" Like where do I even start with this. If a normal healthy person did 35mins of weights followed by 35mins of running without changing their diet a jot you reckon they'd look the same? Because that's about a 600 kcal deficit on its own (without counting after burn calorie expenditure on building muscle,tendons & ligaments and increasing bone density)

I'd also add the exercise will change your gut bacteria for the better - its the gut bacteria that cause you to crave sweet foods, exercise will change the composition of the guts microbiome. This is not going to happen if you just eat less.

bladespin

purifol0 wrote: »

"A normal healthy person cannot control their weight by exercising" Like where do I even start with this.

Anywhere you like but it won’t change the fact that they can’t, exercise for 35 mins and have a cheeseburger for lunch and see how that works.

Btw a normal person doesn’t train for an hour+ each day, most wouldn’t manage that much in a week.

calfmuscle

As a female -

Don't lift weights you'll get bulky

Don't play rugby it makes you butch

Lifting weights is bad for your womb

Tackling damages your breasts

Long distance running is enough to keep your legs strong

Don't eat carbohydrates

Maintain "good" posture

pinkypinky

My GP once told me that if I was really going to the gym 3 times a week for an hour (I was), then it didn't matter what I ate (he was wrong).

Mellor

purifol0 wrote: »

"A normal healthy person cannot control their weight by exercising" Like where do I even start with this. If a normal healthy person did 35mins of weights followed by 35mins of running without changing their diet a jot you reckon they'd look the same? Because that's about a 600 kcal deficit on its own (without counting after burn calorie expenditure on building muscle,tendons & ligaments and increasing bone density)

You can’t say it’s a 600 deficit without know what they are eating. Many people adjust intake due to exercise. Whether it’s for fuel, protein synthesis, or simply a treat. They are also unlikely to do that everyday, so the energy burn needs to be averaged out. 600 could become 100 a day. Nothing really.

Also, you won’t be as prone to build muscle, tendons, bones if you are in a deficit.

melissajeffrey

bitter melon juice, I hate that.

Intuitive

bladespin wrote: »

Dieting makes you gain weight is a current leader for me,.

It's kinda true in fairness. The diet itself doesn't cause the weight gain of course. The vast majority of people who diet don't stick to the plan and end up eating more after the diet than they did before they started this diet.

bladespin

Intuitive wrote: »

It's kinda true in fairness. The diet itself doesn't cause the weight gain of course. The vast majority of people who diet don't stick to the plan and end up eating more after the diet than they did before they started this diet.

It’s not though, willpower will result in success or failure regardless of what diet you follow, can’t blame the diet.

Intuitive

bladespin wrote: »

It’s not though, willpower will result in success or failure regardless of what diet you follow, can’t blame the diet.

But willpower is an ability most humans fundamentally don't have. I do of course agree that keeping to the diet will work. All you have to do is look at the success rates of diets to see this.
People who are overweight don't want to be and I'm sure most have tried damn hard not to be. Blaming them for lack of willpower is simply unfair.

Alf Veedersane

Intuitive wrote: »

But willpower is an ability most humans fundamentally don't have. I do of course agree that keeping to the diet will work. All you have to do is look at the success rates of diets to see this.
People who are overweight don't want to be and I'm sure most have tried damn hard not to be. Blaming them for lack of willpower is simply unfair.

It's still not dieting that's the reason for weight gain. The problem in a lot of cases is people just do 'a diet' that helps them lose weight in the short term but isn't sustainable in the long term and they finish diet with no longer term plan...and so they revert to old habits.

Diets that get all the air time are the same. It needs to be sustainable but that's not sexy and you can't sell shít off the back of it.

Intuitive

Yes while I of course agree with you, on one level. Diets can cause people to have disordered ordered eating so that's why people say they cause you to get fat. Mental health has to factored in too.

Yes of course diets work for some and the success stories that we are told. Yes I totally agree about people profiting from diets too. I'd go as far as wellness lifestyle are sold as a religion too. And there's a purity in eating certain foods too.

Imagine if a medicine was prescribed by a doctor that doesn't work for 95% of people who try it and on top of that the illness gets worse for many too.


Thanks for the respectful discussion, the last time I was on boards, I found if I had a different opinion to someone they basically told me I was a fool.

Alf Veedersane

Intuitive wrote: »

Yes while I of course agree with you, on one level. Diets can cause people to have disordered ordered eating so that's why people say they cause you to get fat. Mental health has to factored in too.

It's the restriction that can cause disordered eating but managing caloric intake isn't something that causes disordered eating or impacts mental health in and of itself.

There is also no one size fits all

liamtech

Wandered on to this through boredom - Been working at home for the best part of a year. Managed to get some decent equipment

• Adjustable Heavy Duty Bench
• 150KGs of Standard 25mm Plates
• Bar, EZCurl, Tricep Bar, 2 setrs of Dumbbells
• Lat Pull Down and Vertical Row Plate Loader Cable Rig
• Half Rack for benching/squatting

One of the things i ABSOLUTELY dont miss is the bogus 'BroScience' advice. So difficult to pin down the worst so here are a few choices

• 'Watch out one of those Olympic Bars weighs 30KG' - But they're Olympic bars? There all the same. 'No No one of them is heavier'
• 'When your Bulking up you have to remember to do a serious amount of HIIT Cardio, otherwise you will put on a tonne of fat' - (Spoken by THEE MOST ECTOMORPHIC man i had ever seen. ) Went on to explain he was doing High Reps sessions during this bulk. When i inquired slightly, and made a suggestion that what he was describing was CUT routine by my reckoning he went into a long meandering story of how he knows what he is doing , and 'used to be a fitness instructor bro':rolleyes:
• 'Better off using these Leverage machines man, i can bench way more since i started' - Genuinely curious so i asked how much he was benching since he started using the leverage rig? 'Oh i dont bother benching anymore man, havent in years. i can push twice as much on this chest rig' - (Sorely tempted to invite him to bench 100KG to prove his point, but i valued my sanity)
• 'Im in a plateau at the moment with Bicep curling, cant understand it cause i do bicep work 3 times a week!' (proceeded to jerk an EZCurl up about half way - later i saw him doing deadlifts, with straight legs and back arched like a cat - it hurt to watch:eek:)