What else are the British Govt hiding?

smurgen

Would make ya think of how inappropriate FG bootlicking is. Chilling indeed.

https://twitter.com/IrishSecretari1/status/1149638940418142208?s=19


"The Noel Clarke Memorial Flute Band will march in Friday's parade, organised to counter the traditional St Patrick's Day Parade in the city.

Craigavon man Mr Duffy (46) described the inclusion of the band as "an insult to our family".

The father-of-three said: "It is in bad taste.

"The Orange Order are crying out for the nationalist community to embrace them and their culture, but they are inviting a band named after a guy who was involved in the sectarian murder of two innocent teenagers and another innocent man. Those are the dark sectarian days of the past we thought were behind us. But to bring up another generation with culture along those lines is utterly tasteless."

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/uvf-victims-brother-slams-orange-order-st-pats-day-parade-band-35524089.html

John Doe1

smurgen wrote: »

Would make ya think of how inappropriate FG bootlicking is. Chilling indeed.

https://twitter.com/IrishSecretari1/status/1149638940418142208?s=19


"The Noel Clarke Memorial Flute Band will march in Friday's parade, organised to counter the traditional St Patrick's Day Parade in the city.

Craigavon man Mr Duffy (46) described the inclusion of the band as "an insult to our family".

The father-of-three said: "It is in bad taste.

"The Orange Order are crying out for the nationalist community to embrace them and their culture, but they are inviting a band named after a guy who was involved in the sectarian murder of two innocent teenagers and another innocent man. Those are the dark sectarian days of the past we thought were behind us. But to bring up another generation with culture along those lines is utterly tasteless."

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/uvf-victims-brother-slams-orange-order-st-pats-day-parade-band-35524089.html

The GAA is filled with stadiums named after murderers and Unionist politicians have attended matches.

The only way we are going to get anywhere in this island is by reaching across the divide.

Mr Richmond like myself comes from a protestant background and grew up in the republic. I dont know if you noticed but there is orange in the tricolour?

smurgen

John Doe1 wrote: »

The GAA is filled with stadiums named after murderers and Unionist politicians have attended matches.

The only way we are going to get anywhere in this island is by reaching across the divide.

Mr Richmond like myself comes from a protestant background and grew up in the republic. I dont know if you noticed but there is orange in the tricolour?

The orange order are a sectarian group. Do you support their actions on the basis they're protestant? Do you also support the actions of the KKK another group that claim to be protestant?

FrancieBrady

Must be very rare that an RTE Investigates is not followed up with a discussion and questioning of those criticised on Claire Byrne.
Government is going to insist on hiding some more on these events it seems.

John Doe1

smurgen wrote: »

The orange order are a sectarian group. Do you support their actions on the basis they're protestant? Do you also support the actions of the KKK another group that claim to be protestant?

In Donegal today anyway, there are basically a Protestant social group in the same way the Ancient Order of Hibernians is a Catholic one. Take a look at the Rossnowlagh Parade, a great example of cross-community tolerance.

Comparing them with the KKK is a bit extreme, as far as I know my uncle William did not hang any Catholics, ill have to ask him just to make sure:D

Due to demographic shifts, there probably will be United Ireland but there will also be 1 million people who idenitify with the Crown and Britain which will not change when borders change. There will never be the Wolfe Tones, Sinn Fein Up the Ra United Ireland that some people want, it will have to be a compromise between the 2 communities.

smurgen

John Doe1 wrote: »

In Donegal today anyway, there are basically a Protestant social group in the same way the Ancient Order of Hibernians is a Catholic one. Take a look at the Rossnowlagh Parade, a great example of cross-community tolerance.

Comparing them with the KKK is a bit extreme, as far as I know my uncle William did not hang any Catholics, ill have to ask him just to make sure:D

Due to demographic shifts, there probably will be United Ireland but there will also be 1 million people who idenitify with the Crown and Britain which will not change when borders change. There will never be the Wolfe Tones, Sinn Fein Up the Ra United Ireland that some people want, it will have to be a compromise between the 2 communities.

Don't think depictions of lynching and effigy burning should be tolerated.

"The Orange Order claims that bonfires are an important part of protestant culture and should be welcoming to families. What happens at Orange events is clearly the responsibility of the Orange Order. The figure of a lynch victim on a bonfire is not a welcoming sight for anyone"

https://www.thejournal.ie/gerry-adams-orange-order-bonfire-1566379-Jul2014/

FTA69

If you look at any colonial conflict the Brits were engaged in they got up to the exact same thing; a key aspect of their strategy was the use of counter-insurgency gangs and supporting sections of the native population via proxy. The British general Frank Kitson even wrote a document about it.

Collusion in Ireland is an accepted and proven fact, the British approach to Ireland wasn’t an attempt to foster peace between two warring tribes it was an attempt to impose their political will and they deployed every tactic at their disposal in order to make that happen.

The reality is that the Irish people will never know the full story of what went on. Sinn Féin are prominent in calling for a truth and reconciliation commission and all that craic but personally I believe they don’t really want one. Their priority now is taking state power in the south and building a modern political vehicle, the last thing they want is Republicans undertaking full disclosure about some of the horrible things they were involved in as well.

Probably the most galling thing about the way the British portray themselves internationally and domestically is the sheer and utter hypocrisy and wilful delusion they were somehow a force for good when in reality they clung to the same imperialist mentality they had in Kenya, Malaysia or any of their other colonies.

maccored

John Doe1 wrote: »

In Donegal today anyway, there are basically a Protestant social group in the same way the Ancient Order of Hibernians is a Catholic one. Take a look at the Rossnowlagh Parade, a great example of cross-community tolerance.

Comparing them with the KKK is a bit extreme, as far as I know my uncle William did not hang any Catholics, ill have to ask him just to make sure:D

Due to demographic shifts, there probably will be United Ireland but there will also be 1 million people who idenitify with the Crown and Britain which will not change when borders change. There will never be the Wolfe Tones, Sinn Fein Up the Ra United Ireland that some people want, it will have to be a compromise between the 2 communities.

you pick the ONLY orange parade that is in anyway half decent. Have you any clue as to the black marches leading up to parades and the scores of loyalists out driving around looking for a taigue or two to pick up and beat to a pulp?

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Must be very rare that an RTE Investigates is not followed up with a discussion and questioning of those criticised on Claire Byrne.
Government is going to insist on hiding some more on these events it seems.

The Government controls RTE conspiracy theory is rolled out again?

maccored

blanch152 wrote: »

The Government controls RTE conspiracy theory is rolled out again?

the rte that wouldnt let the leader of one of the more popular parties onto its debates without a load of hassle?

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

The Government controls RTE conspiracy theory is rolled out again?

I'd imagine it is self censorship that is the problem here. The State is ultimately the 'controller' of RTE.
How far do you go in pursuit of answers? If the government say no, we won't send somebody to address those issues, who is going to push the boundaries on that?
That's how it works, no need for conspiracy theories, it's human nature and we have seen over the years that a large part of our journalist class are lazy and won't rock boats until they have to.
We are lucky to have a few shining lights, but they are limited in what they can do when the ranks close.

political analyst

Bowie wrote: »

I don't really care. Discussing the situation regarding the British Army assisting terrorists in murdering two teenagers and the officer who helped organise it laughing about it.

He facilitated the Aghalane bridge bombing, which took place before the Belturbet bombing.

maccored

political analyst wrote: »

It can't be as bad as the truth of what the CIA did in Latin America - and that didn't scare cheerleaders and admirers of the US!

true. another thing would be what would happen if they actually taught british history in british schools. they leave out all the bad bits.

maccored

political analyst wrote: »

He facilitated the Aghalane bridge bombing, which took place before the Belturbet bombing.

how does that excuse him? the british army facilitated illegal means.

Odhinn

maccored wrote: »

true. another thing would be what would happen if they actually taught british history in british schools. they leave out all the bad bits.

It was boring the third/fourth/fifth/sixth time you posted it.

Kermit.de.frog

maccored wrote: »

true. another thing would be what would happen if they actually taught british history in british schools. they leave out all the bad bits.

To be fair isn't this just natural?

Doesn't every country do that?

It's not unique to Britain.

mynamejeff

its nice that all you shinner bots have something to do for xmass

James Brown

mynamejeff wrote: »

its nice that all you shinner bots have something to do for xmass

This is the problem with Fine Gael attitude Jeff. The assumption anyone with an issue is bias. And why would you see this as a SF issue? Were the two teenagers killed by the UDA/BA in the 'RA or Sinn Fein?
Maybe some people think it's a scandal in and of itself? Not to mention the silence from government. But the Ceann comhairle felt the need to raise Fosters concerns, but there was political points to be scored off it I suppose and that's all that matters.

The more emerges about the troubles,the more qs lie at britains door over their carryon

From collecting skulls for ashtrays at ballymurphy,to torturing,setting up innocents for assination

They pulled the grubbiest of all their tricks to hold onto.the north....theres still people to this day,who believe the army was there to keep the peace



They'll never admit to it,they promoted soldier F twice,and cant bring themselves to convict him for what is an indisputable open/shut case of murder

mynamejeff

Bowie wrote: »

This is the problem with Fine Gael attitude Jeff. The assumption anyone with an issue is bias. And why would you see this as a SF issue? Were the two teenagers killed by the UDA/BA in the 'RA or Sinn Fein?
Maybe some people think it's a scandal in and of itself? Not to mention the silence from government. But the Ceann comhairle felt the need to raise Fosters concerns, but there was political points to be scored off it I suppose and that's all that matters.

im not a member of fg matt,

or ff or any political party or Organised crime group pretending to be a political party

political analyst

maccored wrote: »

how does that excuse him? the british army facilitated illegal means.

Blowing up the bridge was relatively minor by comparison with the Belturbet bombing. It was pragmatism on his part. It was the Troubles equivalent of a parking violation.

maccored

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

To be fair isn't this just natural?

Doesn't every country do that?

It's not unique to Britain.

that they leave out huge swathes of their own history?

Noi - I wouldnt think its a global thing

When I was growing up in Omagh, friends of mine in the Academy werent learning the history we were learning in the christian brothers. same two countries - completely different histories. Well - one was being selective, the other wasnt.

maccored

political analyst wrote: »

Blowing up the bridge was relatively minor by comparison with the Belturbet bombing. It was pragmatism on his part. It was the Troubles equivalent of a parking violation.

what are you talking about? A bombs a bomb - it doesnt have to kill anyone. It leads to instability in the area. the brits were meant to be on the 'good' side.

In reality what it shows there was no sides, and that it was in fact a war, and that the hunger strikers were right.

buried

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

To be fair isn't this just natural?

Doesn't every country do that?

It's not unique to Britain.

Britain certainly is unique in the fact they don't teach their people any sort of history at all. Even the good stuff.

Ask any of them who Samuel Johnson was..
The majority of Brits are more likely to say he was a member of S Club 7

Kermit.de.frog

Was he?

buried

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Was he?

He invented the English dictionary. You'd think that a people so in love with themselves about being all things so Engerlish they'd at least know that, but no.

whisky_galore

mynamejeff wrote: »

its nice that all you shinner bots have something to do for xmass

Armchair Republicans - assemble!

maccored

mynamejeff wrote: »

its nice that all you shinner bots have something to do for xmass

thats the best quip I've heard yet. Stunningly original.

Are you the human version of Internet Explorer?

steddyeddy

political analyst wrote: »

Blowing up the bridge was relatively minor by comparison with the Belturbet bombing. It was pragmatism on his part. It was the Troubles equivalent of a parking violation.

You should defend terrorists in court.