What else are the British Govt hiding?

UDAWINNER

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1338379171907706882


Firstly they won't hold an enquiry into the Finucane murder.
Secondly they will spend 3 million on an event glorifying the murder of catholics on this Island
Now this, you'd wonder how some people will defend them when they are just scum, i don't expect any big statement from Micheal or Leo, although the latter would probably give them a medal like he wanted to woth the Tans.

endacl

Username makes no sense.

maccored

offhand, I'd say quite a lot. and Im not surpirised. the kind of war they were fighting, a lot of the truth would scare a lot of their cheerleaders and admirers, imo.

Donald Trump

endacl wrote: »

Username makes no sense.

User might just like the UDA

maccored

or it might say 'you are the winner' in phone speak

Normal One

It's no surprise, it's a rogue state mostly led by criminals for centuries.

FFG are scared of their own shadow, they'll say nothing.

MontgomeryClift

It seems many people are still fighting the previous war, and RTÉ would like to keep it that way.

"No, Paddy, don't mind about globalism, mass migration and becoming a foreigner in your own country. Keep hating the Brits. They're the real problem. Look at this thing they did in 1972."

maccored

MontgomeryClift wrote: »

It seems many people are still fighting the previous war, and RTÉ would like to keep it that way.

"No, Paddy, don't mind about globalism, mass migration and becoming a foreigner in your own country. Keep hating the Brits. They're the real problem. Look at this thing they did in 1972."

that matters to the family of whoever may have been killed in that thing they did in 1972. the brits spend the 70s and 80s pretending to be whiter than white int he north. they peddled a lot of **** to the public that were lies.

It's past time to put this all behind us and move on. Sure, it matters to the family of those who were killed, but it does the nation no favors.

UDAWINNER

MontgomeryClift wrote: »

It seems many people are still fighting the previous war, and RTÉ would like to keep it that way.

"No, Paddy, don't mind about globalism, mass migration and becoming a foreigner in your own country. Keep hating the Brits. They're the real problem. Look at this thing they did in 1972."

would you say that if it was your son, friend, father or brother, think not.

UDAWINNER

UDAWINNER wrote: »

would you say that if it was your son, friend, father or brother, think not.

Perhaps he/she would. You wouldn't. Personally, I suspect I would. It's 50 years... It's time this crap was allowed to 'die'. Move on.

But I suspect, like those who harp on endlessly about the IRA, you can't allow the anger/bitterness/hatred to die.

Everlong1

What event are they spending 3m on that "glorifies the murder of Catholics on this island" ?

irishguitarlad

UDAWINNER wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1338379171907706882


Firstly they won't hold an enquiry into the Finucane murder.
Secondly they will spend 3 million on an event glorifying the murder of catholics on this Island
Now this, you'd wonder how some people will defend them when they are just scum, i don't expect any big statement from Micheal or Leo, although the latter would probably give them a medal like he wanted to woth the Tans.

I'd say a lot of things related to the north and loads of things related to Africa and the Iraq war.

votecounts

Everlong1 wrote: »

What event are they spending 3m on that "glorifies the murder of Catholics on this island" ?

I imagine it refers to the centenary of partition next year which is to receive 3m from the British Govt

Real Life

MontgomeryClift wrote: »

It seems many people are still fighting the previous war, and RTÉ would like to keep it that way.

"No, Paddy, don't mind about globalism, mass migration and becoming a foreigner in your own country. Keep hating the Brits. They're the real problem. Look at this thing they did in 1972."

Who's becoming a foreigner in their own country?

end of the road

calling out britain on their behaviour tords our country is very much moving on and putting things to bed.
it's britain who won't move on and put things to bed, as they refuse to face up to what they did and admit to it, nor do they teach it in schools as they should.
it is actually britain who is keeping all of this going, they could end it tomorrow by openly admitting to the atrocities they have directly and indirectly committed and sanctioned.

Gervais08

end of the road wrote: »

calling out britain on their behaviour tords our country is very much moving on and putting things to bed.
it's britain who won't move on and put things to bed, as they refuse to face up to what they did and admit to it, nor do they teach it in schools as they should.
it is actually britain who is keeping all of this going, they could end it tomorrow by openly admitting to the atrocities they have directly and indirectly committed and sanctioned.

A very fair and reasoned point, quite agree.

James Brown

To hear the BA officer chuckle as he recounted assisting the UDA in the bombing was quite disgusting.
Everything on all sides needs uncovering. Sadly if it doesn't suit government narrative it's unlikely that will ever happen.

tdf7187

MontgomeryClift wrote: »

It seems many people are still fighting the previous war, and RTÉ would like to keep it that way.

"No, Paddy, don't mind about globalism, mass migration and becoming a foreigner in your own country. Keep hating the Brits. They're the real problem. Look at this thing they did in 1972."

Pure whataboutery.

stoneill

MontgomeryClift wrote: »

It seems many people are still fighting the previous war, and RTÉ would like to keep it that way.

"No, Paddy, don't mind about globalism, mass migration and becoming a foreigner in your own country. Keep hating the Brits. They're the real problem. Look at this thing they did in 1972."

I remember the bombings in 1972 and 1973 in Dublin and how frightening things were, how terrible things were and how sad things were.
And these events are only a fraction of what went on north of the border.
So yes these events although ancient history for some, are still current affairs for others.
Answers for grieving families are required.

tdf7187

Deleted User wrote: »

Perhaps he/she would. You wouldn't. Personally, I suspect I would. It's 50 years... It's time this crap was allowed to 'die'. Move on.

But I suspect, like those who harp on endlessly about the IRA, you can't allow the anger/bitterness/hatred to die.

1972 is not ancient history. It is important not just for the families of victims but for the entire nation that these truths were unearthed, comprehensively investigated, publicised and the perpetrators prosecuted using the full rigours of the law. You do want to live in a country of laws, don't you? It's the bedrock of civilisation.

But I suspect that, like most of the Cruiserite/McDowellite/Dudley-Edwards/Harrisite West Brit tendency, you will bring up all kinds of things against Sinn Fein and other Irish republicans from that period if it suits your agenda. If you don't like Ireland you can always emigrate.

tdf7187

tdf7187 wrote: »

1972 is not ancient history.

I never said it was. That was introduced by other people seeking to tug on the heart strings.

It is important not just for the families of victims but for the entire nation that these truths were unearthed, comprehensively investigated, publicised and the perpetrators prosecuted using the full rigours of the law. You do want to live in a country of laws, don't you? It's the bedrock of civilisation.

Ahh more drama. Suggesting that I don't appreciate our laws, or comprehend their importance.

I'll stick by what I said. It's time to move on, and stop regurgitating crap that leads to hostility.

But I suspect that, like most of the Cruiserite/McDowellite/Dudley-Edwards/Harrisite West Brit tendency, you will bring up all kinds of things against Sinn Fein and other Irish republicans from that period if it suits your agenda. If you don't like Ireland you can always emigrate.

You're getting all that BS from where? haha. Certainly not from anything I've ever written... :rolleyes: Stop projecting.

And where did I say that I don't like Ireland? Stop pulling crap out of your ass, and deal with what I have written.

James Brown

Deleted User wrote: »

I never said it was. That was introduced by other people seeking to tug on the heart strings.



Ahh more drama. Suggesting that I don't appreciate our laws, or comprehend their importance.

I'll stick by what I said. It's time to move on, and stop regurgitating crap that leads to hostility.



You're getting all that BS from where? haha. Certainly not from anything I've ever written... :rolleyes: Stop projecting.

And where did I say that I don't like Ireland? Stop pulling crap out of your ass, and deal with what I have written.

We cannot and should not. People need to know there is a line they shouldn't cross without consequences. People, who judge entities based on what they represent, should know what they represent. Hearing that BA officer laugh off assisting bombers who killed two teenagers was disgusting. No doubt he's living off a nice pension and polishing his medals.

nacho libre

They are basically hiding that some of there most venerated citizens- some of which are well- known- engaged in criminal activity. To their defenders there is always a justification for these acts- it was a war- a dirty war- the ends justified the means. A lot of the shady enterprises that went on will be revealed when all the actors involved are six feet under

Bowie

Bowie wrote: »

We cannot and should not. People need to know there is a line they shouldn't cross without consequences.

I don't disagree. There should be consequences, and an appropriate reaction.

political analyst

maccored wrote: »

offhand, I'd say quite a lot. and Im not surpirised. the kind of war they were fighting, a lot of the truth would scare a lot of their cheerleaders and admirers, imo.

It can't be as bad as the truth of what the CIA did in Latin America - and that didn't scare cheerleaders and admirers of the US!

James Brown

political analyst wrote: »

It can't be as bad as the truth of what the CIA did in Latin America - and that didn't scare cheerleaders and admirers of the US!

I believe the U.S. has it's detractors in Latin America.

It will be interesting to see if the Irish leadership pass comment on their citizenry being murdered with the aid of crown forces.
Foster was only asking we look into it from our end a few days ago. Also be interesting to see if she speaks on it.

buried

They've been hiding plenty. They've been hiding so long their own people have fallen full frontal for it. Next month they are going to destroy their own country in order to rescue the money market of the vatican-esque 'City of London'.

political analyst

Bowie wrote: »

I believe the U.S. has it's detractors in Latin America.

It will be interesting to see if the Irish leadership pass comment on their citizenry being murdered with the aid of crown forces.
Foster was only asking we look into it from our end a few days ago. Also be interesting to see if she speaks on it.

Ah but were they ever supporters of the US to begin with?

RandomViewer

Everlong1 wrote: »

What event are they spending 3m on that "glorifies the murder of Catholics on this island" ?

Formation of NI

James Brown

political analyst wrote: »

Ah but were they ever supporters of the US to begin with?

I don't really care. Discussing the situation regarding the British Army assisting terrorists in murdering two teenagers and the officer who helped organise it laughing about it.

smurgen

Would make ya think of how inappropriate FG bootlicking is. Chilling indeed.

https://twitter.com/IrishSecretari1/status/1149638940418142208?s=19


"The Noel Clarke Memorial Flute Band will march in Friday's parade, organised to counter the traditional St Patrick's Day Parade in the city.

Craigavon man Mr Duffy (46) described the inclusion of the band as "an insult to our family".

The father-of-three said: "It is in bad taste.

"The Orange Order are crying out for the nationalist community to embrace them and their culture, but they are inviting a band named after a guy who was involved in the sectarian murder of two innocent teenagers and another innocent man. Those are the dark sectarian days of the past we thought were behind us. But to bring up another generation with culture along those lines is utterly tasteless."

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/uvf-victims-brother-slams-orange-order-st-pats-day-parade-band-35524089.html

John Doe1

smurgen wrote: »

Would make ya think of how inappropriate FG bootlicking is. Chilling indeed.

https://twitter.com/IrishSecretari1/status/1149638940418142208?s=19


"The Noel Clarke Memorial Flute Band will march in Friday's parade, organised to counter the traditional St Patrick's Day Parade in the city.

Craigavon man Mr Duffy (46) described the inclusion of the band as "an insult to our family".

The father-of-three said: "It is in bad taste.

"The Orange Order are crying out for the nationalist community to embrace them and their culture, but they are inviting a band named after a guy who was involved in the sectarian murder of two innocent teenagers and another innocent man. Those are the dark sectarian days of the past we thought were behind us. But to bring up another generation with culture along those lines is utterly tasteless."

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/uvf-victims-brother-slams-orange-order-st-pats-day-parade-band-35524089.html

The GAA is filled with stadiums named after murderers and Unionist politicians have attended matches.

The only way we are going to get anywhere in this island is by reaching across the divide.

Mr Richmond like myself comes from a protestant background and grew up in the republic. I dont know if you noticed but there is orange in the tricolour?

smurgen

John Doe1 wrote: »

The GAA is filled with stadiums named after murderers and Unionist politicians have attended matches.

The only way we are going to get anywhere in this island is by reaching across the divide.

Mr Richmond like myself comes from a protestant background and grew up in the republic. I dont know if you noticed but there is orange in the tricolour?

The orange order are a sectarian group. Do you support their actions on the basis they're protestant? Do you also support the actions of the KKK another group that claim to be protestant?

FrancieBrady

Must be very rare that an RTE Investigates is not followed up with a discussion and questioning of those criticised on Claire Byrne.
Government is going to insist on hiding some more on these events it seems.

John Doe1

smurgen wrote: »

The orange order are a sectarian group. Do you support their actions on the basis they're protestant? Do you also support the actions of the KKK another group that claim to be protestant?

In Donegal today anyway, there are basically a Protestant social group in the same way the Ancient Order of Hibernians is a Catholic one. Take a look at the Rossnowlagh Parade, a great example of cross-community tolerance.

Comparing them with the KKK is a bit extreme, as far as I know my uncle William did not hang any Catholics, ill have to ask him just to make sure:D

Due to demographic shifts, there probably will be United Ireland but there will also be 1 million people who idenitify with the Crown and Britain which will not change when borders change. There will never be the Wolfe Tones, Sinn Fein Up the Ra United Ireland that some people want, it will have to be a compromise between the 2 communities.

smurgen

John Doe1 wrote: »

In Donegal today anyway, there are basically a Protestant social group in the same way the Ancient Order of Hibernians is a Catholic one. Take a look at the Rossnowlagh Parade, a great example of cross-community tolerance.

Comparing them with the KKK is a bit extreme, as far as I know my uncle William did not hang any Catholics, ill have to ask him just to make sure:D

Due to demographic shifts, there probably will be United Ireland but there will also be 1 million people who idenitify with the Crown and Britain which will not change when borders change. There will never be the Wolfe Tones, Sinn Fein Up the Ra United Ireland that some people want, it will have to be a compromise between the 2 communities.

Don't think depictions of lynching and effigy burning should be tolerated.

"The Orange Order claims that bonfires are an important part of protestant culture and should be welcoming to families. What happens at Orange events is clearly the responsibility of the Orange Order. The figure of a lynch victim on a bonfire is not a welcoming sight for anyone"

https://www.thejournal.ie/gerry-adams-orange-order-bonfire-1566379-Jul2014/

FTA69

If you look at any colonial conflict the Brits were engaged in they got up to the exact same thing; a key aspect of their strategy was the use of counter-insurgency gangs and supporting sections of the native population via proxy. The British general Frank Kitson even wrote a document about it.

Collusion in Ireland is an accepted and proven fact, the British approach to Ireland wasn’t an attempt to foster peace between two warring tribes it was an attempt to impose their political will and they deployed every tactic at their disposal in order to make that happen.

The reality is that the Irish people will never know the full story of what went on. Sinn Féin are prominent in calling for a truth and reconciliation commission and all that craic but personally I believe they don’t really want one. Their priority now is taking state power in the south and building a modern political vehicle, the last thing they want is Republicans undertaking full disclosure about some of the horrible things they were involved in as well.

Probably the most galling thing about the way the British portray themselves internationally and domestically is the sheer and utter hypocrisy and wilful delusion they were somehow a force for good when in reality they clung to the same imperialist mentality they had in Kenya, Malaysia or any of their other colonies.

maccored

John Doe1 wrote: »

In Donegal today anyway, there are basically a Protestant social group in the same way the Ancient Order of Hibernians is a Catholic one. Take a look at the Rossnowlagh Parade, a great example of cross-community tolerance.

Comparing them with the KKK is a bit extreme, as far as I know my uncle William did not hang any Catholics, ill have to ask him just to make sure:D

Due to demographic shifts, there probably will be United Ireland but there will also be 1 million people who idenitify with the Crown and Britain which will not change when borders change. There will never be the Wolfe Tones, Sinn Fein Up the Ra United Ireland that some people want, it will have to be a compromise between the 2 communities.

you pick the ONLY orange parade that is in anyway half decent. Have you any clue as to the black marches leading up to parades and the scores of loyalists out driving around looking for a taigue or two to pick up and beat to a pulp?

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Must be very rare that an RTE Investigates is not followed up with a discussion and questioning of those criticised on Claire Byrne.
Government is going to insist on hiding some more on these events it seems.

The Government controls RTE conspiracy theory is rolled out again?

maccored

blanch152 wrote: »

The Government controls RTE conspiracy theory is rolled out again?

the rte that wouldnt let the leader of one of the more popular parties onto its debates without a load of hassle?

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

The Government controls RTE conspiracy theory is rolled out again?

I'd imagine it is self censorship that is the problem here. The State is ultimately the 'controller' of RTE.
How far do you go in pursuit of answers? If the government say no, we won't send somebody to address those issues, who is going to push the boundaries on that?
That's how it works, no need for conspiracy theories, it's human nature and we have seen over the years that a large part of our journalist class are lazy and won't rock boats until they have to.
We are lucky to have a few shining lights, but they are limited in what they can do when the ranks close.

political analyst

Bowie wrote: »

I don't really care. Discussing the situation regarding the British Army assisting terrorists in murdering two teenagers and the officer who helped organise it laughing about it.

He facilitated the Aghalane bridge bombing, which took place before the Belturbet bombing.

maccored

political analyst wrote: »

It can't be as bad as the truth of what the CIA did in Latin America - and that didn't scare cheerleaders and admirers of the US!

true. another thing would be what would happen if they actually taught british history in british schools. they leave out all the bad bits.

maccored

political analyst wrote: »

He facilitated the Aghalane bridge bombing, which took place before the Belturbet bombing.

how does that excuse him? the british army facilitated illegal means.

Odhinn

maccored wrote: »

true. another thing would be what would happen if they actually taught british history in british schools. they leave out all the bad bits.

It was boring the third/fourth/fifth/sixth time you posted it.

Kermit.de.frog

maccored wrote: »

true. another thing would be what would happen if they actually taught british history in british schools. they leave out all the bad bits.

To be fair isn't this just natural?

Doesn't every country do that?

It's not unique to Britain.

mynamejeff

its nice that all you shinner bots have something to do for xmass

James Brown

mynamejeff wrote: »

its nice that all you shinner bots have something to do for xmass

This is the problem with Fine Gael attitude Jeff. The assumption anyone with an issue is bias. And why would you see this as a SF issue? Were the two teenagers killed by the UDA/BA in the 'RA or Sinn Fein?
Maybe some people think it's a scandal in and of itself? Not to mention the silence from government. But the Ceann comhairle felt the need to raise Fosters concerns, but there was political points to be scored off it I suppose and that's all that matters.

The more emerges about the troubles,the more qs lie at britains door over their carryon

From collecting skulls for ashtrays at ballymurphy,to torturing,setting up innocents for assination

They pulled the grubbiest of all their tricks to hold onto.the north....theres still people to this day,who believe the army was there to keep the peace



They'll never admit to it,they promoted soldier F twice,and cant bring themselves to convict him for what is an indisputable open/shut case of murder