Traffic at Deansgrange

TheW1zard

Its absolutely ****e.

TheW1zard

The new road markings make it worse!

.anon.

There are too many cars.

curryman

10 min from bakers corner today at half 10 not a school run time. They want the rock road one way and thats before the apts get built. Its well fked

GT89

Traffic flows better now as traffic turning left from Kill Lane onto Clonkeen Road are fully seperate from cars continuing straight on Kill Lane. It takes a bit of getting used to and I'm sure things will click into place in the next few weeks once people are used to the new layout.

AlekSmart

TheW1zard wrote: »

The new road markings make it worse!

Get with the programme you evil Planet Destroying Wizzard you.....Only good Wizard is a Bicycle/Skateboard/Scooter/Monowheel/Donkey&Cart using one !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7F25rNsnyo

Thelonious Monk

Obviously it's the bike lane in Dun Laoighaire causing this

TheW1zard

I cycle to work and pass all the suckers out, that said, its still ****!

MJohnston

It's nothing at all to do with the lane markings, it's the newer traffic light timings. I live right beside the place, so I can guarantee you this is what it is.

What makes it worse are the utter arseholes who refuse to abide by the new lane markings and decide that "right turn only" doesn't apply to them. Why does driving turn pretty much everyone into a brainless, selfish c**t?

Thelonious Monk

No I actually have seen people on Twitter blaming the bike lane in DL for this

TheW1zard

They need a turn right filter light heading towards Dunlaoghaire also.
The locals should get together and complain!

DublinCJM

GT89 wrote: »

Traffic flows better now as traffic turning left from Kill Lane onto Clonkeen Road are fully seperate from cars continuing straight on Kill Lane. It takes a bit of getting used to and I'm sure things will click into place in the next few weeks once people are used to the new layout.

Only noticed this the other day and I was going straight. There was a bus behind me though so it didn't matter

TheW1zard

The outrage on twitter is directed towards the light sequence not the bike lanes.
More bike lanes and less traffic please!

Seaswimmer

TheW1zard wrote: »

They need a turn right filter light heading towards Dunlaoghaire also.
The locals should get together and complain!

I live beside the library and was very much in favour of the new cycling infrastructure which is now not to be..

However I am delighted now it is not going ahead as the current traffic difficulties would no doubt be blamed on it.

It almost like DLR said....OK you won't let us put in the new cycle lane so now drive away to your hearts content (if you can)

Traffic has been bad at that junction for years. The only solution is less cars traversing it. Messing with light sequences and lane markings will not improve things.

strandroad

Traffic is crazy everywhere these days. I am nowhere near Deansgrange or any of the new works and I just heard from my neighbour that it took him 40 minutes to drive a 5-10 minutes distance home when he went to get a Christmas tree.

TheW1zard

Seaswimmer wrote: »

I live beside the library and was very much in favour of the new cycling infrastructure which is now not to be..

However I am delighted now it is not going ahead as the current traffic difficulties would no doubt be blamed on it.

It almost like DLR said....OK you won't let us put in the new cycle lane so now drive away to your hearts content (if you can)

Traffic has been bad at that junction for years. The only solution is less cars traversing it. Messing with light sequences and lane markings will not improve things.

What was the new infrastructure? Why isnt it going ahead?
Cheers

Seaswimmer

TheW1zard wrote: »

What was the new infrastructure? Why isnt it going ahead?
Cheers

thread about it here. Hundreds of objections to one of the main parts of it which was to make Deansgrange road one way for a stretch..


https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058129058&page=4

ElJeffe

Just went through it at about 4pm today (i drive a coach for work) and it's an absolute disaster. The new wide cycle lanes and road marking are making it harder to do my job and make pick up's on time. My vehicle is spending more time now on the road throwing carbon into the atmosphere than it did before the cycle lanes where put in. Slow clap for whoever had this bright idea.

Seaswimmer

ElJeffe wrote: »

Just went through it at about 4pm today (i drive a coach for work) and it's an absolute disaster. The new wide cycle lanes and road marking are making it harder to do my job and make pick up's on time. My vehicle is spending more time now on the road throwing carbon into the atmosphere than it did before the cycle lanes where put in. Slow clap for whoever had this bright idea.

nothing to do with the cycle lanes. There are no new cycle lanes in Deansgrange on the approaches to the crossroads. A combination of new road markings and traffic light phases are to blame.

ElJeffe

Seaswimmer wrote: »

nothing to do with the cycle lanes. There are no new cycle lanes in Deansgrange on the approaches to the crossroads. A combination of new road markings and traffic light phases are to blame.

There are new widened cycle lanes.

MJohnston

ElJeffe wrote: »

There are new widened cycle lanes.

There has been zero alternation to the number of traffic lanes. The cycle lanes have been widened by about 10cm.

I repeat: as someone who literally lives beside Baker's Corner, these traffic problems are not caused by cycle lanes. They are caused by changes to the light phases, largely at the Deansgrange Road junction.

Pedestrians have been given priority, so unlike pre-pandemic when the green phases would last about 30 seconds, they now last about 10 seconds.

Well actually, let's be honest, the problem is truly too many cars on the road.

Duckjob

It’s almost comical the lengths to which some people who are part of the congestion problem will go to blame anything else under the sun except the level of car traffic itself.

Thelonious Monk

Traffic is absolutely unbelievable out there today, there's simply too many people in too many cars. It feels great cycling by them all.

Ben D Bus

Duckjob wrote: »

It’s almost comical the lengths to which some people who are part of the congestion problem will go to blame anything else under the sun except the level of car traffic itself.

"You're not stuck in traffic, you ARE traffic!"

TheW1zard

I do cycle to work but to say it couldnt be improved is incorrect.
Now everyone queues in the bus lane and i cant get past them on my bike.
Stupid car drivers, stupid traffic engineers in dlrcoco!

Seaswimmer

ElJeffe wrote: »

There are new widened cycle lanes.

Not on Kill lane from Foxrock church. Not on Clonkeen road and not on Deansgrange road. Some very minor changes from Bakers to Deansgrange crossroads but hasn't altered the traffic lanes as MJohnson pointed out..

SeanW

MJohnston wrote: »

Well actually, let's be honest, the problem is truly too many cars on the road.

Cars on the road tend to be there when people have to go from place to place.

Fighting Tao

SeanW wrote: »

Cars on the road tend to be there when people have to go from place to place.

You’d swear there are no other options.

Valresnick

I think they have changed the timings all over the city. Raheny a place where we rarely had bad traffic now has jams because of altered sequences. Same also in North Strand and other places.

MJohnston

SeanW wrote: »

Cars on the road tend to be there when people have to go from place to place.

What does that matter? They’re still the cause of the traffic. The purpose of each individual journey doesn’t matter to the physics of the situation.

TheW1zard

MJohnston wrote: »

What does that matter? They’re still the cause of the traffic. The purpose of each individual journey doesn’t matter to the physics of the situation.

Proper infrastructure can alleviate traffic.
They did works, traffic is worse.

curryman

The new road layout is causing most of the probs you had 2 straights in both directions now down to 1 lane in both directions at the lights

MJohnston

TheW1zard wrote: »

Proper infrastructure can alleviate traffic.
They did works, traffic is worse.

The traffic is the same, now it’s just not moving. It’s the lights. I’ll keep repeating it: it’s the lights.

TheW1zard

MJohnston wrote: »

The traffic is the same, now it’s just not moving. It’s the lights. I’ll keep repeating it: it’s the lights.

When the council do works, changing the lights accordingly should be done. It probably works on a model alright! So yes i agree!

MJohnston

curryman wrote: »

The new road layout is causing most of the probs you had 2 straights in both directions now down to 1 lane in both directions at the lights

This isn’t true. There are no fewer lanes at the Deansgrange crossroads. Movements have been simplified (and they caused massive problems before) and most importantly THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS HAVE BEEN CHANGED.

* Kill Ln towards DL - one straight and left, one straight and right, merging into one lane immediately after the junction.

This was an absolute disaster before, particularly thanks to the right turn into the SuperValu car park, now it’s saner as it’s one straight and left, and one right turn only. They need a barrier divider between the bus lane and the general traffic lane here as motorists can’t help themselves. What they can do about SuperValu I’ve no idea, but logically nobody should be able to turn right into the car park there.

* Kill Ln towards N11 - one straight and left and one straight only (no right turn allowed). Again, merged immediately into one lane after the junction.

Less of a disaster before, as traffic doesn’t have anything ahead to back up with, but it was still always a mess. Now it’s one left turn and one straight ahead.

This could allow the pedestrian phase to be modified to allow people to cross at Clonkeen Road while Kill Ln traffic is crossing the junction on an ahead only light. That would be more efficient than the 4-way stop for pedestrians right now.

Clonkeen and Deansgrange Road lanes are entirely unmodified.

SeanW

MJohnston wrote: »

The traffic is the same, now it’s just not moving. It’s the lights. I’ll keep repeating it: it’s the lights.

Umm ... okay.

If there are X number of people trying to get down the road at a certain time one day and they don't encounter serious problems, but the following day, the same number of people trying to do the same thing get bogged down in congestion:

1) How is the number of motorists the determining factor, if it has not changed?
2) How is traffic not clearly worse if congestion becomes a serious problem?

Ben D Bus wrote: »

"You're not stuck in traffic, you ARE traffic!"

Is this another example of cyclists gaslighting people? A person most certainly can be stuck in traffic, even if you argue that said person is contributing to the traffic by their mere existence.

It must be like "there are no accidents, only collisions" despite the likelihood that most collisions are in fact accidental, or "you don't pay road tax" despite Ireland's motor tax regime meeting the dictionary definition of road tax.

MJohnston

TheW1zard wrote: »

When the council do works, changing the lights accordingly should be done. It probably works on a model alright! So yes i agree!

They changed the lights at Deansgrange corner long before the works to give pedestrians more time to cross and smaller gaps between pedestrian phases. This was a Covid measure. You can find previous threads from much earlier in the year complaining about it.

They modified the pedestrian phase at Bakers Corner at the same time as the recent layout change there, although to my eyes it’s no worse on Kill Lane than it usually was. Pottery Road to Abbey Road is same as ever.

You may only have started noticing the problem because this is basically the first time since then that travel restrictions have been loosened at the same time as schools are back AND at the same time as there’s increased Christmas shopper traffic.

TheW1zard

MJohnston wrote: »

This isn’t true. There are no fewer lanes at the Deansgrange crossroads. Movements have been simplified (and they caused massive problems before) and most importantly THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS HAVE BEEN CHANGED.

* Kill Ln towards DL - one straight and left, one straight and right, merging into one lane immediately after the junction.

This was an absolute disaster before, particularly thanks to the right turn into the SuperValu car park, now it’s saner as it’s one straight and left, and one right turn only. They need a barrier divider between the bus lane and the general traffic lane here as motorists can’t help themselves. What they can do about SuperValu I’ve no idea, but logically nobody should be able to turn right into the car park there.

* Kill Ln towards N11 - one straight and left and one straight only (no right turn allowed). Again, merged immediately into one lane after the junction.

Less of a disaster before, as traffic doesn’t have anything ahead to back up with, but it was still always a mess. Now it’s one left turn and one straight ahead.

This could allow the pedestrian phase to be modified to allow people to cross at Clonkeen Road while Kill Ln traffic is crossing the junction on an ahead only light. That would be more efficient than the 4-way stop for pedestrians right now.

Clonkeen and Deansgrange Road lanes are entirely unmodified.

Yeah if they added bollards to stop people going into the bus lane heading toward DL that would help.
People are cutting into the bus lane very early and you have people merging left up where theyre supposed to.
They should add get in lane signs too maybe.

MJohnston

SeanW wrote: »

Umm ... okay.

If there are X number of people trying to get down the road at a certain time one day and they don't encounter serious problems, but the following day, the same number of people trying to do the same thing get bogged down in congestion:

1) How is the number of motorists the determining factor, if it has not changed?
2) How is traffic not clearly worse if congestion becomes a serious problem?

You’re conflating “traffic” with “traffic congestion”, is your first problem.

MJohnston

TheW1zard wrote: »

Yeah if they added bollards to stop people going into the bus lane heading toward DL that would help.
People are cutting into the bus lane very early and you have people merging left up where theyre supposed to.
They should add get in lane signs too maybe.

Ironically what would help a lot is a one-way Deansgrange Road too but alas

Seaswimmer

MJohnston wrote: »

This isn’t true. There are no fewer lanes at the Deansgrange crossroads. Movements have been simplified (and they caused massive problems before) and most importantly THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS HAVE BEEN CHANGED.

* Kill Ln towards DL - one straight and left, one straight and right, merging into one lane immediately after the junction.

This was an absolute disaster before, particularly thanks to the right turn into the SuperValu car park, now it’s saner as it’s one straight and left, and one right turn only. They need a barrier divider between the bus lane and the general traffic lane here as motorists can’t help themselves. What they can do about SuperValu I’ve no idea, but logically nobody should be able to turn right into the car park there.

* Kill Ln towards N11 - one straight and left and one straight only (no right turn allowed). Again, merged immediately into one lane after the junction.

Less of a disaster before, as traffic doesn’t have anything ahead to back up with, but it was still always a mess. Now it’s one left turn and one straight ahead.

This could allow the pedestrian phase to be modified to allow people to cross at Clonkeen Road while Kill Ln traffic is crossing the junction on an ahead only light. That would be more efficient than the 4-way stop for pedestrians right now.

Clonkeen and Deansgrange Road lanes are entirely unmodified.

Another problem at Deansgrange is the slip road in front of Supervalu. It seems to be everybodys first choice to park in front of the shops so when there are no spaces the resultant overflow of cars waiting for a space spills out onto the main road and this delays traffic from all directions. Far better to remove one side for parking (nearest the shops) and widen the footpath with some seating and planting. Make the other side loading and disabled bays only and force casual shoppers into the main car park behind Supervalu or the Lidl car park. It is ridiculous to effectively have 3 lanes of traffic on a narrow slip road (2 parking and 1 driving)

micar

TheW1zard wrote: »

I cycle to work and pass all the suckers out, that said, its still ****!

Love it.....love it

So long suckers!!! I'll be at home with a cup of tea and biscuit and you'll still be in traffic.

Thelonious Monk

micar wrote: »

Love it.....love it

So long suckers!!! I'll be at home with a cup of tea and biscuit and you'll still be in traffic.

Cmon now everyone in those cars is elderly or disabled or have been priced out of the Dublin market so have to drive in from Navan every day.

Seaswimmer

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Cmon now everyone in those cars is elderly or disabled or have been priced out of the Dublin market so have to drive in from Navan every day.

Strangely enough the population of the immediate Deansgrange area is probably among the most elderly in Ireland. I live there and observe it daily in the library, shops ect. However the vast majority don't drive and instead rely on the very good 46A bus service to the city and Dun Laoghaire. The most common complaint I hear from them is that there is no bus shelter at the bus stop going to DL. They complain about the traffic in an abstract way but it dosent really affect the vast majority of them.

.anon.

MJohnston wrote: »

What they can do about SuperValu I’ve no idea, but logically nobody should be able to turn right into the car park there.

Is there anything at all to be said for reinstating the roundabout at the Kill Avenue, Mounttown Rd, Oliver Plunkett Rd, Glenageary Rd intersection? That way, you could ban right turns into SuperValu, but people would have an easy option to turn around at the bottom of the hill.

MJohnston

.anon. wrote: »

Is there anything at all to be said for reinstating the roundabout at the Kill Avenue, Mounttown Rd, Oliver Plunkett Rd, Glenageary Rd intersection? That way, you could ban right turns into SuperValu, but people would have an easy option to turn around at the bottom of the hill.

Heh: https://twitter.com/yimbyie/status/1266337885323776000

Seaswimmer

.anon. wrote: »

Is there anything at all to be said for reinstating the roundabout at the Kill Avenue, Mounttown Rd, Oliver Plunkett Rd, Glenageary Rd intersection? That way, you could ban right turns into SuperValu, but people would have an easy option to turn around at the bottom of the hill.

That is a huge diversion of about 1km each way and includes negotiating a very busy junction (Bakers corner). Twice!!
I really hate the idea of making roads any wider but to me the easiest solution would be to cpo a bit of the garden of the first cottage beside the Grange pub and possibly a bit of the grange car park. This would at least give enough room for a right turn lane into the car park. However I suppose once there are more than 2 or 3 cars waiting to turn right then traffic couldn't pass anyway.
The Lidl car park across the road is always almost empty. Maybe some agreement
with DLR/Supervalu/Lidl to allow parking there for all users of the village without the fear of being clamped (1 hour free ect)

bigar

As with all issues with congestion in Dublin there is only one cause: too many cars. As long as the majority is in denial about this, nothing will be solved.

TheW1zard

bigar wrote: »

As with all issues with congestion in Dublin there is only one cause: too many cars. As long as the majority is in denial about this, nothing will be solved.

Why does traffic modelling software exist then?

GT89

.anon. wrote: »

Is there anything at all to be said for reinstating the roundabout at the Kill Avenue, Mounttown Rd, Oliver Plunkett Rd, Glenageary Rd intersection? That way, you could ban right turns into SuperValu, but people would have an easy option to turn around at the bottom of the hill.

No because that roundabouts make traffic flow better which is something the absolute mouthbreathers in DLRCC don't realise. It seems they have been on a crusade over the last ten years to rid the county of every last roundabout.

bbuzz

GT89 wrote: »

No because that roundabouts make traffic flow better which is something the absolute mouthbreathers in DLRCC don't realise. It seems they have been on a crusade over the last ten years to rid the county of every last roundabout.

No, roundabouts are good for moderately busy intersections/junctions. As soon as a roundabout gets busy, it gets choked up and becomes gridlocked, so for car traffic the council are completely right to get rid of them at busy junctions (any civil
Engineer/road planner will tell you this). Not so good for bicycles though.