Discovery 3x09 - 'Terra Firma: Part 1' ~~ { ** Spoilers Within ** }

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Discovery 3x09 - 'Terra Firma: Part 1' ~~ { ** Spoilers Within ** }


Directed by Omar Madha


IMDb Link: - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12013212/

Memory-alpha epsiode breakdown: - https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Terra_Firma,_Part_1_(episode)

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Star Trek: Discovery | "Terra Firma, Part 1" (S3, E9) Recap | The Ready Room
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Sad Professor wrote: »

Folks, in relation to spoilers, you don't have to use spoiler tags in the episode threads. If someone hasn't seen the episode yet then they shouldn't be reading the thread, period. When it airs on Netflix doesn't matter. I would suggest that whoever starts the thread put a spoiler warning in the title. I'll add one to this now.

Warning: This thread will contain spoilers for the episode. Spoiler tags will not be used, so if you don't want to be spoiled read no further.

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ilovesmybrick

So I'm presuming that's a Q? Probably the most interesting part of the episode.

And a two parter in the mirror universe seems like a bit of a waste. Two parter finding the ship, two parter dealing with the conflict with the chain, great. But I've rarely enjoyed any mirror universe Trek. DS9 had one or two reasonable ones, but the rest are a resounding meh from me.

corkie

corkie wrote: »

Grasping at straws, as I said already, events in Mirror Universe could not and didn't pan out the same. 'ISS Discovery' was destroyed in 'Main/Prime Universe' during klingon war. When they ships swapped over.

So unless some "A big ball of wibbly wobbly, timey wimey stuff" brings her to the future. Mirror Burnham is long dead.

Or only in the memories of Georgiou.

^^^ Cross thread quote.

ilovesmybrick

After browsing the reddit pages it appears that it may be a Guardian rather than a Q. This actually makes me happy because I was thinking it would be an awful waste of a Q to not bring back John de Lancie!

liamtech

Yea it was ok

My gripes are:

Bit of a waste of time if im honest - it has nothing to do with the main plot, as near as i can tell - I kinda dont care whether its real or not - if they go down the road of her reforming the mirror universe, i would take issue with that

and the other usual problem of course

The mirror universe revolves around the actions/opinions of Mirror Burnham - amazing, and so unexpected :mad:

ilovesmybrick

liamtech wrote: »

Yea it was ok
Bit of a waste of time if im honest - it has nothing to do with the main plot, as near as i can tell - I kinda dont care whether its real or not - if they go down the road of her reforming the mirror universe, i would take issue with that

I think it's the waste of time that annoys me the most. I wouldn't have minded if it was a one off mirror episode, that could have been fun, but I feel that a two parter would have been better suited elsewhere in the season and on another topic, such as locating the ship, conflict with the chain, getting to grips with starfleet.

I'm hoping that the next episode is not entirely a mirror episode and we spend some more time in the prime universe.

On a different note though, I'm really beginning to like this admiral!

corkie

ilovesmybrick wrote: »

After browsing the reddit pages it appears that it may be a Guardian rather than a Q. This actually makes me happy because I was thinking it would be an awful waste of a Q to not bring back John de Lancie!

Jessie gender also mentions the guardian in they review.

With him reading from the same paper.


^^^ Edit: If Above image not showing find it here.



The City on the Edge of Forever (episode)

ilovesmybrick

corkie wrote: »

Jessie gender also mentions the guardian in they review.

With him reading from the same paper.

Yeah, saw that, though when watching the episode I was thinking it could be a "My corner of the continuum" reference

TheValeyard

Its Definitely a guardian and not a Q. Im okay with this. Guardian makes sense.

Im also a fan of the Terran verse, so I like the alternate timeline.

Too much evil Burnham though.

Spear

It was decent enough, in a cheesy, scenery chewing kind of way.

But at this point we've spent more time on the development of a character we know to be leaving in the form of Georgiou, then in following the main arc of the Burn.

If it it had come earlier in the season, instead of the needless tour of every former Federation world, it'd be a lot more acceptable as a diversion.

And everyone's okay with the sentient independent ship AI? Discovery is Starfleet's ace in the hole, and they're just giving a blind pass to this unknown element?

AMKC

Just watched it. Best episode of the season so far and while last weeks was a 1 out 10 this got a 10 out of 10 for me. Loved it but then I like most of the mirror Universe episodes too. It even made me laugh in parts. Yes I was thinking g an evil Q or a Q who liked the Mirror Universe could have worked therewith your man on the planet and the door but a Guardian is ok with me.
Can't wait for next weeks episode.

fritzelly

Quite enjoyed that episode but would rather have them wrap it up in one episode with only a few more episodes left

Weird episode at this point of the season. I mean, it's not really a mirror universe 'cos she has to go back in time 900 years for it to work. So it's a time-travel thing? But then wouldn't there still be another version of her kicking about as Emperor? One without all the memories and experiences she currently has.

corkie

Deleted User wrote: »

Weird episode at this point of the season. I mean, it's not really a mirror universe 'cos she has to go back in time 900 years for it to work. So it's a time-travel thing? But then wouldn't there still be another version of her kicking about as Emperor? One without all the memories and experiences she currently has.

It was not very clear in the episode what actually happened:

• Is she just reliving memories in the present after walking through the door?
• Her mind transporter back into past self, leaving a body in the present? Does not work if they develop S31 from the past.
• A body swap, but that would leave past body in the future. And body that went back would have all the memories of control/S31 events of S02.

Edit: - On a rewatch and forgot about fitbit(/body scanner) that traveled back with her.


Probably get explained in Part Two?

Yeah, I'm sure it will. Just a bit of a head-scratcher this week.

CastorTroy

At least it gave the others something to do. Like Owo looked a bit intimidating and got to fight the other bridge guy.
But I found this episode a chore to get though. Checked how long was left on multiple occasions. If they had intercut other stories it would've been better, though I guess they can't go anywhere until Michael and Georgieau get back. But would anyone miss them really if Discovery did a runner?


One thing I am confused about is how did they decode the distress signal and video without Michael's help?

Goodshape

That was fun.

CastorTroy

CastorTroy wrote: »

At least it gave the others something to do. Like Owo looked a bit intimidating and got to fight the other bridge guy.
But I found this episode a chore to get though. Checked how long was left on multiple occasions. If they had intercut other stories it would've been better, though I guess they can't go anywhere until Michael and Georgieau get back. But would anyone miss them really if Discovery did a runner?


One thing I am confused about is how did they decode the distress signal and video without Michael's help?

The fight thing was funny if you think about it for 30 seconds. You get to take over the role if you can kill the person in it. Grand, they're super evil after all. But what about the role vacated by the winner? Do two more people have to fight to the death over that role? And what about the role vacated by the winner of that fight? And so on down the line. It seems terribly inefficient.

CastorTroy

Deleted User wrote: »

The fight thing was funny if you think about it for 30 seconds. You get to take over the role if you can kill the person in it. Grand, they're super evil after all. But what about the role vacated by the winner? Do two more people have to fight to the death over that role? And what about the role vacated by the winner of that fight? And so on down the line. It seems terribly inefficient.

Dunno about other companies but at mine the victor gets to choose the successor.
Annual reviews/promotions are a bloodbath but management says it ensures the right person is in the right position. But we all know one of the main reasons they encourage it is that it cuts down on the number of raises and bonuses they have to give.

Sesshoumaru

That was a good laugh. I enjoyed that. But I do like the mirror universe. Has the empress changed though? I'd hope she has.

Sesshoumaru

corkie wrote: »

Jessie gender also mentions the guardian in they review.

With him reading from the same paper.


^^^ Edit: If Above image not showing find it here.



The City on the Edge of Forever (episode)

I saw that. I really like this idea. I hope we see more of this guy in the next episode.

pah

corkie wrote: »

Probably get explained in Part Two?

LMFAO

corkie

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

I saw that. I really like this idea. I hope we see more of this guy in the next episode.

He is a good actor remember him from: -


The Good Fight: Paul Guilfoyle: Henry Rindell

duffman13

I hate Mirror universe, its very cartoony and over the top! I also don't give a toss what happens to Georgio in this mirror world so its a real waste of time and hugely disappointing this is a two parter

Slydice

That was great! They crossed all the streams! I couldn't believe the city on the edge of forever came up! I was already stoked they brought in the Kelvin Timeline! If Enterprise is anything to go by, I'm guessing something big is in store for Owosekun!

Goh! I saw Part 1 in the title before watching and was like oh but then kinda forgot! 3/4 way into the episode though and I remembered and was like.... NOOOOO!!!

Anyway, looking forward to the next one!

breezy1985

duffman13 wrote: »

I hate Mirror universe, its very cartoony and over the top! I also don't give a toss what happens to Georgio in this mirror world so its a real waste of time and hugely disappointing this is a two parter

I was always gonna hate this one too. She is a terrible character and the MU is a silly place that falls apart pretty easy when over explored.

I could just ignore it in a 20+ episode season but it is an awful gear change in a 13 episode arc

corkie

What else was on the Newspaper?

http://blog.trekcore.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/NEWSPAPER.jpg

http://blog.trekcore.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/newspaper2.jpg

"
On a brief note, having a personified Guardian — if that’s really what’s happening here — is actually a concept that dates back to Harlan Ellison’s concept for what eventually became the Star Trek episode fans are familiar with; in the 2014 IDW Comics adaptation of Ellison’s original teleplay, the Guardian is not a talking stone donut, but in fact actual entities who call themselves the Guardians of Forever. ......

Carl’s newspaper is reminiscent of the Q Continuum’s The New newsmagazine seen in “Death Wish,” as well as that of The Ascended Times from Stargate SG-1, which was read by Daniel Jackson in that series while visiting the Ancents’ ascended plane (SG1: “Threads”)."

^^^ STAR TREK: DISCOVERY Review: “Terra Firma, Part 1”
^^^ Good article and images to big to embed in post.





Someone posted in an imdb review: -
"Carl reading the newspaper is a copy of the Anubis scene from SG1. And The Guardian of Forever is a ripoff from Doctor Who and Farscape."

"The City on the Edge of Forever" TOS, Episode 1x28
Production number: 6149-28 First aired: 6 April 1967

Possible 'Who' ripoff ST and episode predates 'Farscape'? So who ripped who off?

breezy1985

corkie wrote: »

What else was on the Newspaper?

http://blog.trekcore.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/NEWSPAPER.jpg

http://blog.trekcore.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/newspaper2.jpg

"
On a brief note, having a personified Guardian — if that’s really what’s happening here — is actually a concept that dates back to Harlan Ellison’s concept for what eventually became the Star Trek episode fans are familiar with; in the 2014 IDW Comics adaptation of Ellison’s original teleplay, the Guardian is not a talking stone donut, but in fact actual entities who call themselves the Guardians of Forever. ......

Carl’s newspaper is reminiscent of the Q Continuum’s The New newsmagazine seen in “Death Wish,” as well as that of The Ascended Times from Stargate SG-1, which was read by Daniel Jackson in that series while visiting the Ancents’ ascended plane (SG1: “Threads”)."

^^^ STAR TREK: DISCOVERY Review: “Terra Firma, Part 1”
^^^ Good article and images to big to embed in post.





Someone posted in an imdb review: -
"Carl reading the newspaper is a copy of the Anubis scene from SG1. And The Guardian of Forever is a ripoff from Doctor Who and Farscape."

"The City on the Edge of Forever" TOS, Episode 1x28
Production number: 6149-28 First aired: 6 April 1967

Possible 'Who' ripoff ST and episode predates 'Farscape'? So who ripped who off?

The newspapers title is the same as a newspaper from the Edge of Forever episode

corkie

^^^ Am already aware. Posted both images. and mentioned that already.

breezy1985

corkie wrote: »

^^^ Am already aware. Posted both images. and mentioned that already.

Sorry. It wasn't anywhere on that particular post

Johnny Storm

My favorite ep so far this season

PirateShampoo

The mirror universe just doesn't make sense. Are we meant to feel sorry for space Hitler?

PirateShampoo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo7DOvv_JQU

CastorTroy

Just just accept both Discovery and SG1 are ripping off Early Edition.

corkie

^^^ The Ascended Times ~~~ http://web.archive.org/web/20070930035429/http://carterslab.de/gallery3/insider_threads_ascendedtimes.jpg

breezy1985

PirateShampoo wrote: »

The mirror universe just doesn't make sense. Are we meant to feel sorry for space Hitler?

Ya cause fans think she is "so like super awesome"

ilovesmybrick

CastorTroy wrote: »

Just just accept both Discovery and SG1 are ripping off Early Edition.

Jesus there's a show that had slipped my mind, I loved it as a kid!

Why is burnham at the briefing about Georgiu and not tilly. Tilly is the xo. I totally trust u tilly but not on a need to know basis

Booker is awesome. Join the ship booker yay

Surprised a mirror universe dedication would talk about the emperor being demure and pure
They should put owo in charge instead of burnham

Overall entertaining but surprised it just ended there

Banana Republic 1

That was ****ing terrible just pure dog sh1t.


One point that I was confused about if starfleet never kept any record of discovery how did the glasses lad know about geogro and not about the ship.

corkie

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

One point that I was confused about if starfleet never kept any record of discovery how did the glasses lad know about geogro and not about the ship.

"PLOT HOLES"

Another one is how Ni'var(ians) knew about 'Mickey Spock'?


Edit:- When they got scanned, she was identified as terrain and they had to explain things in earlier of screen briefings?

Liamalone

Just when ye think it can't get any worse, it does. Didn't enjoy that episode at all. Mirror stuff is a pile of turd.

ilovesmybrick

Liamalone wrote: »

Didn't enjoy that episode at all. Mirror stuff is a pile of turd.

Completely agree, though I'm supposing a lot of it really comes down to how you feel about mirror universe episodes. I generally find them a small little fun fluff episode in the middle of a 24 episode season. However, making them a large two part episode towards the end of a 13 episode season that seems to have no relation to the broader plot is nonsense. I'm really surprised at the praise this episode seems to be getting online, especially since it was two disjointed halves and had no real ending.

And f**k mirror Burnham, makes me long for the days of whispering tearful Burnham. I'm interested in the story of the burn, I'm interested in the story of how starfleet/the federation became what it is now. I'm somewhat interested in Adira. Can we not focus on some of these instead of a two part distraction episode so the actors can show off their hammy side?

Yawn

Smacruairi

I actually thought it was the best episode of the season.... It had a story that didn't make me roll my eyes and wondering what happens next.

Maybe as mick spock was technically the antagonist, and she is infallible, it was interesting to see how the emperor could change the time,but I think a nice clear singular story with a purpose felt refreshing.

Other thoughts,
I've really really started to hate all the whispering. Once you hear it, you can't unhear it.

Is it racist to say I find Georgiou difficult to understand when she does the low growl lines.

Book is genuinely the most charismatic guy on the show, from nowhere like.

I think I'm kinda into blonde, heavy eye makeup tilly. Carlow Debs date tillly who cries at the end of the night, no, but bitch blonde, I totally would drunk text.

Glasses guy is cool. So is the mirror security officer, but prime security officer only ever seems to see if Detmer is OK.

~Rebel~

So. A few weeks ago I tried to piece together what sort of nonsense the plot points they'd been planting were moving towards, and the answer I had was Universe hopping, and most important Mirror Michael. As I said here at the time, I hoped they wouldn't, but here we are. There was just no way - despite what anyone else said - that they wouldn't use the opportunity of Mirror Michael in some way. It's too CW-drama to miss out on. Didn't matter that time had passed, didn't matter that time crystals weren't available in the alt universe, or that discovery was gone, or any of that stuff... they'd just write whatever they wanted. So we have a magical man (guardian) with a newspaper and a door. Job done.

As an episode... i mean, it was fine. But I mostly just found myself being frustrated that they actually did it, and that they're distracted from all the mysteries and storylines they've already set up. Like, I honestly just don't care about the mirror universe or anyone in it. I don't care about Georgiu, or Mirror Michael, or Killy. We've more than enough going on in the future between everything, and I just don't need this tangent off elsewhere for 2 episodes.

flazio

Not sure any of you spotted, but Airiam is alive in the Terran universe.

Moving on. I'll be glad when Giorgiu is out of the show. Old Trek you have mirror stories as one offs and you move on. This one drags terrible. The let's throw them back into their old life and show how much they've softened trope is tired now.
Interesting twist that the Kelpians might be at the source of The Burn so I'm interested to see where that goes.

Banana Republic 1

The lack of budget is as plain as a punch in the face, the don’t even try to make the snow planet not look like Canada it’s pathetic.
Also they couldn’t bring back Lorca which again shows there cash strapped and anyway a proper actor would have blown these toothpaste commercial people out of the water.

Banana Republic 1

corkie wrote: »

Another one is how Ni'var(ians) knew about 'Mickey Spock'?


Edit:- When they got scanned, she was identified as terrain and they had to explain things in earlier of screen briefings?

It’s as if the hire new writers for each episode.

breezy1985

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

It’s as if the hire new writers for each episode.

Different writers is normal but they need a good showrunner and I think they are on number 5 or 6 already which is not a good sign and I dont think the executive producer is up to the job either

corkie

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Pretty confident it'll be related to Mirror Burnham alright, but not about her death, since she just went missing, so her death isn't confirmed on the show. I'm guessing she'll make an appearance.

~Rebel~ wrote: »

So, i'm not sure if wild speculation around the teaser for the next episode at the end of the last one counts as a spoiler, but I'll pop it in spoiler tags anyway to be safe in case anyone didn't' watch the "next week on...".

There's a moment where Michael and Georgiu are on a seemingly desolate ice planet - except that the grounds surface in front of them looks distinctly round, like the saucer section of a ship left buried beneath them. I'm wondering if this is the Music-Mystery/Distress call ship at the origin of The Burn, and in turn, if that ship is the Discovery-in-waiting from Calypso. And for more wild speculation, that Georgiu has to go off on some completing the circle time travel mission back in time, and off into her own series. I really hope most of this isn't true - especially that the Discovery-deux had anything to do with The Burn.

~Rebel~ wrote: »

So. A few weeks ago I tried to piece together what sort of nonsense the plot points they'd been planting were moving towards, and the answer I had was Universe hopping, and most important Mirror Michael. As I said here at the time, I hoped they wouldn't, but here we are. There was just no way - despite what anyone else said - that they wouldn't use the opportunity of Mirror Michael in some way. It's too CW-drama to miss out on. Didn't matter that time had passed, didn't matter that time crystals weren't available in the alt universe, or that discovery was gone, or any of that stuff... they'd just write whatever they wanted. So we have a magical man (guardian) with a newspaper and a door. Job done.

You definitely predicted, but I was also right with saying there had be some 'timey wimey' involved.

It will be interesting how the story pans out now, as Georgiou is effectively creating an
alternative mirror universe timeline now.
If she is really in the past. She didn't kill Mirror Stamets, I believe lorca had him vaporized.

corkie

The Guardian of Forever in Star Trek Discovery vs TOS vs TNG

Bosco wants his door back?