WWE TLC 2020 (Contains Spoilers)

PTH2009

Sunday 20th December on the WWE Network

Confirmed matches

WWE Championship -- Drew McIntyre (c) vs. AJ Styles (TLC Match

Universal Championship -- Roman Reigns (c) vs. Kevin Owens (TLC Match)

SmackDown Women's Championship -- Sasha Banks (c) vs. Carmella

The Fiend" Bray Wyatt vs. Randy Orton

Women's Tag Team Championship -- Nia Jax & Shayna Baszler (c) vs. Asuka & Lana (Tables Match)

More TBA

JP Liz V1

https://twitter.com/WWERomanReigns/status/1336788330990669829

oldtimeyfella

PTH2009 wrote: »

Sunday 20th December on the WWE Network

Confirmed matches

WWE Championship -- Drew McIntyre (c) vs. AJ Styles (TLC Match

Universal Championship -- Roman Reigns (c) vs. Kevin Owens (TLC Match)

SmackDown Women's Championship -- Sasha Banks (c) vs. Carmella

The Fiend" Bray Wyatt vs. Randy Orton

Women's Tag Team Championship -- Nia Jax & Shayna Baszler (c) vs. Asuka & Lana (Tables Match)

More TBA

Pretty sure you messed up and copy/pasted the card from literally any episode of Raw from the past year.

JP Liz V1

Is Charlotte returning to take Lana's tag spot?

Loughc

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is Charlotte returning to take Lana's tag spot?

It's heavily rumored yes.

The White Wolf

Weeks of building Lana (for better or worse) just to have THE QUEEN take her place.

THE QUEEN WILL SAVE VINNIE'S RATINGS WOOOOOOOOOO

JP Liz V1

https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1339595255058874372

J. Marston

An inferno match? I hope it's just a regular one and not a cinematic version in The Fiend's "mind".

JP Liz V1

WWE Championship TLC match: Drew McIntyre (c) vs. AJ Styles
Universal Championship TLC match: Roman Reigns (c) vs. Kevin Owens
SmackDown Women's Championship: Sasha Banks (c) vs. Carmella
Firefly Inferno match: "The Fiend" Bray Wyatt vs. Randy Orton
WWE Women's Tag Team Championship: Nia Jax and Shayna Baszler (c) vs. Asuka and ???
Raw Tag Team Championship: New Day (c) vs. Hurt Business (Cedric Alexander and Shelton Benjamin)

J. Marston

Forgot about this (finding I do that more often with WWE PPVs these days).

The two world title matches could be good. The rest, not interested.

Loughc

J. Marston wrote: »

Forgot about this (finding I do that more often with WWE PPVs these days).

The two world title matches could be good. The rest, not interested.

I’m actually looking forward to the tag match. Both teams can go if given the time.

PTH2009

Can't see Styles and KO winning

Won't be a proper attitude era inferno match for the Orton vs Fiend anyway. Let's hope its entertaining

Will we see a wooooo or a rowdy return for Asukas partner ?

The White Wolf

PTH2009 wrote: »

Can't see Styles and KO winning

Won't be a proper attitude era inferno match for the Orton vs Fiend anyway. Let's hope its entertaining

Will we see a wooooo or a rowdy return for Asukas partner ?

I'm starting to see KO winning and Reigns being moved to Raw due to whatever ****e McMahon pulls on Monday.

PTH2009

The White Wolf wrote: »

I'm starting to see KO winning and Reigns being moved to Raw due to whatever ****e McMahon pulls on Monday.

Raw will end up becoming something like

'Any member of any brand can appear anytime of there chosen unannounced' or some other BS

PTH2009

Pre show 11pm
Main show- 12-3am

J. Marston

Apparently Asuka's partner is

Charlotte, to the surprise of no-one.

PTH2009

J. Marston wrote: »

Apparently Asuka's partner is

Charlotte, to the surprise of no-one.

Oh lovely the commentators will explote with excitement for this. Let's hope the match starts the show and we get it done and over with

JP Liz V1

PTH2009 wrote: »

Pre show 11pm
Main show- 12-3am

https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1340761606725267460

johnnysmack

Wow Daniel Bryan reduced to a pre show match

PTH2009

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1340761606725267460

Very house show feel to that match up

speaking of house shows, god i miss going to them in the 3Arena :(:(. Lets hope we will be back to them sooner rather than later

PTH2009

The highlander type entrance really suites Drew, he looks like a chiseled champion

PTH2009

very good match

another unsuccessful MITB cash in, sneaky by Miz all the same

Wonder what next for Drew ?

daithi1989

Makes taking the MitB case of Otis even more ridiculous now!

Great match though, but hard to see who challenges Drew next? Sheamus and Keith Lee only 2 options, unless Braun returns? Bar them 3 (and they’re a poor 3!!) there arent many others!

johnnysmack

Never liked Carmella as she never seemed believable as a wrestler, just in general a bit shìte! But in fairness to her she seems to have improved a lot, hasn't done anything obviously wrong or bad in this match.

Smacruairi

Great match so far, in fairness to carmella. But how was that not a dq

JP Liz V1

PTH2009 wrote: »

very good match

another unsuccessful MITB cash in, sneaky by Miz all the same

Wonder what next for Drew ?

I'd like to see Sheamus or JoMo next for Drew

PTH2009

daithi1989 wrote: »

Makes taking the MitB case of Otis even more ridiculous now!

Great match though, but hard to see who challenges Drew next? Sheamus and Keith Lee only 2 options, unless Braun returns? Bar them 3 (and they’re a poor 3!!) there arent many others!

God knows what crazy idea they will come up too improve the ratings.

The next 2 raws might be filler til the first raw of 2021. The 4th Jan episode kicking off Raw 2021

JP Liz V1

johnnysmack wrote: »

Never liked Carmella as she never seemed believable as a wrestler, just in general a bit shìte! But in fairness to her she seems to have improved a lot, hasn't done anything obviously wrong or bad in this match.

This is probably her best match

johnnysmack

Decent enough tag match. Good to see the hurt business doing well.

Smacruairi

Great tag match. Woods and kofi make it look so easy

PTH2009

Big bad Retribution don't bother with PPVs so ?

PTH2009

Yawn

Smacruairi

PTH2009 wrote: »

Yawn

Like why do they always ruin their own surprises. She looks in great shape though.

J. Marston

I'm aware that it's a weird observation but I think Charlotte got a boob reduction.

daithi1989

Reigns power bombs KO onto a Ladder - Cole decides to shout “SPINEBUSTER THROUGH THE TABLE”

Chap can’t even call a simple move!

PTH2009

Great match

Love this Roman Reigns, what could of been if they had done his character earlier

Was just about to tune out but the Fiend vs Orton is still to come

JP Liz V1

Asuka2Belts

Reigns Owens match should have been the main event closer

PTH2009

You win if you set your opponent on fire

Guess its jail time for the winner but this is wrestling so they both be grand

PTH2009

This match is missing Kane

johnnysmack

At least it's not a cinematic match

PTH2009

That was pretty insane, Orton should be jailed for that

That was not PG, is this the start of Raw x rated ?

Always_Running

oldtimeyfella

Looking at some of the gifs of the inferno match. The descent into latter day WCW continues.

Randy setting fire to a cheesy looking dummy of Bray Wyatt, the guy who already wears a cheesy looking mask.

RollieFingers

oldtimeyfella wrote: »

Looking at some of the gifs of the inferno match. The descent into latter day WCW continues.

Randy setting fire to a cheesy looking dummy of Bray Wyatt, the guy who already wears a cheesy looking mask.

Like when Vampiro set Sting on fire! Although in fairness to WCW that looked better than dummy Wyatt being set alight.

beakerjoe

Well, against better my own better judgment, I was awake last night and flicked TLC.

As a whole it wasnt a bad PPV, but the usual WWE problems persist.

The opener WWE title match was good/ The addition of The Miz was a good way to use MITB cash in, but the drama was low as I never really expected AJ or Miz to unseat Drew.

Mens Tag match was good and I am liking where they are going with Cedric. Shades of Rock in the Nation but on a much small scale.

Womens match was ok, Carmella hasnt been built up enough and her feud with Sasha has been rushed. Back she goes into the pile. Ive no problem with the pushing Carmella, but her new persona is too fresh to be catapulted into the womens title picture without winning. Silly booking.

The Womens tag team match / Raw title scene is garbage. Firstly why book Lana to be destroyed each week only to go AWOL when she gets a chance for vengeance. Yes they might pick this story up later, but it just felt like a waste of time at this point.

Then you wheel out Charlotte and present her as a face. Shes a natural heel and no one cheers her, why place her in this spot. WWEs obsession with ramming her down our throat (like they do with all their prize pigs) rarely works. Charlotte is a star, but shes not a top face and fans wont accept her as such.

Roman vs Owens, like Drew vs AJ was a dead cert Roman win and thus the drama was absent. However, the booking was better and was nice seeing Roman throw Owens around. That said, Owens shouldnt be making a comeback after all that. I would rather Reigns just crush Owens.

Ah Orton v Wyatt. I dont hate the hokey Wyatt stuff as a much as most, i can see the value in the character in the same way WWE presented Taker in 93-95. Im sure kids eat this stuff up..... problem is, do many kids watch WWE much ? And if their parents do let them watch, they wont be happy with Randy going full homicidal arsonist at the end. My daughter certainly wont be watching that.

Adults do want garbage fire and arsonist bollox, so who is this for? Who does the Wyatt Orton feud appeal to? Its not aimed at kids, its not working for adults? Its just a another huge mis-step for WWE. I stopped caring about Wyatt ages ago but I can see how his character would work with a younger audience..... but not now. It jumped the shark massively here (if it had not already jumped it for others). Pull the plug now.

WWE PPV's remind me WWE have very talented wrestlers but they are guided by an over produced, out of touch creative team that devalue any work the talent are capable of. With AEW breathing down WWEs neck, WWE need to sort their **** out if they hope to compete product wise with AEW.

PTH2009

Always_Running wrote: »

He can teleport or something now. Bray has the power to switch out of the fiends soul at any time

LineOfBeauty

beakerjoe wrote: »

Well, against better my own better judgment, I was awake last night and flicked TLC.

As a whole it wasnt a bad PPV, but the usual WWE problems persist.

The opener WWE title match was good/ The addition of The Miz was a good way to use MITB cash in, but the drama was low as I never really expected AJ or Miz to unseat Drew.

Mens Tag match was good and I am liking where they are going with Cedric. Shades of Rock in the Nation but on a much small scale.

Womens match was ok, Carmella hasnt been built up enough and her feud with Sasha has been rushed. Back she goes into the pile. Ive no problem with the pushing Carmella, but her new persona is too fresh to be catapulted into the womens title picture without winning. Silly booking.

The Womens tag team match / Raw title scene is garbage. Firstly why book Lana to be destroyed each week only to go AWOL when she gets a chance for vengeance. Yes they might pick this story up later, but it just felt like a waste of time at this point.

Then you wheel out Charlotte and present her as a face. Shes a natural heel and no one cheers her, why place her in this spot. WWEs obsession with ramming her down our throat (like they do with all their prize pigs) rarely works. Charlotte is a star, but shes not a top face and fans wont accept her as such.

Roman vs Owens, like Drew vs AJ was a dead cert Roman win and thus the drama was absent. However, the booking was better and was nice seeing Roman throw Owens around. That said, Owens shouldnt be making a comeback after all that. I would rather Reigns just crush Owens.

Ah Orton v Wyatt. I dont hate the hokey Wyatt stuff as a much as most, i can see the value in the character in the same way WWE presented Taker in 93-95. Im sure kids eat this stuff up..... problem is, do many kids watch WWE much ? And if their parents do let them watch, they wont be happy with Randy going full homicidal arsonist at the end. My daughter certainly wont be watching that.

Adults do want garbage fire and arsonist bollox, so who is this for? Who does the Wyatt Orton feud appeal to? Its not aimed at kids, its not working for adults? Its just a another huge mis-step for WWE. I stopped caring about Wyatt ages ago but I can see how his character would work with a younger audience..... but not now. It jumped the shark massively here (if it had not already jumped it for others). Pull the plug now.

WWE PPV's remind me WWE have very talented wrestlers but they are guided by an over produced, out of touch creative team that devalue any work the talent are capable of. With AEW breathing down WWEs neck, WWE need to sort their **** out if they hope to compete product wise with AEW.

The problem is that kids most certainly do not watch WWE at anywhere near the levels they used to. They aren't making new fans and the core pro wrestling audience (males 18-49, and worse, males 18-34 are way down too).

beakerjoe

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

The problem is that kids most certainly do not watch WWE at anywhere near the levels they used to. They aren't making new fans and the core pro wrestling audience (males 18-49, and worse, males 18-34 are way down too).

Parents on the whole will steeŕ kids away from violent programming. And WWE, especially last nights closing match, will do zero for them when it comes to kids. Would any patent want their kid watching 2 men set eachother on fire?

Stupid stipulation, stupid booking and I fail to see what taht type of match or feud will accomplish long term.

Loughc

PTH2009 wrote: »

very good match

another unsuccessful MITB cash in, sneaky by Miz all the same

Wonder what next for Drew ?

Drew I imagine will keep spinning the wheels until Mania.

waste of a MITB, they butchered the booking of one MITB twice in the one year, which is impressive going.

Tag match was very good, delighted Cedric is being given time to shine. The hurt business has been the best thing about Raw 2020.

beakerjoe

Loughc wrote: »

Drew I imagine will keep spinning the wheels until Mania.

waste of a MITB, they butchered the booking of one MITB twice in the one year, which is impressive going.

Tag match was very good, delighted Cedric is being given time to shine. The hurt business has been the best thing about Raw 2020.

The Hurt Business had zero expectations. Bobby is a goon, Shelton still can go in ring but hes no personality but MVP has elevated both. Hes been a great mid card mouthpiece.

Cedric is the breakout though. Personality is really showing since turning and the man is so smooth in the ring.

But it says it all when aan above average mid card act is the best thing on Raw.

The MITB booking always had a shelf life and the gimmick isnt hot at all anymore. They should just end it and bring it in when they have a new up and comer they wanna push. Each year they shoe horn it on to someone who doesnt need it or someone who isnt ready.

Im well over the gimmick since Ziggler. Thats 7 years ago.

CastorTroy

It's Miz's own fault. Can kind of understand guys in a long match climbing the ladder slowly but Miz just arrived and he took his time. As if he hasn't seen or been in enough ladder matches to know how quickly people come back to knock someone off the ladder.
AJ's bodyguard was quite useless. He didn't stop Drew from climbing before Miz came out.
Miz shold dispute tat he cashed in the MitB case as it was actually Morrison who handed the case over.

As for the Charlotte return, I don't care. She was everywhere before she went out, didn't really care she was gone and now she's back and how long until she gets her multiple title matches until she wins? Was she written off in anyway or just disappear?

Nice to see Randy has been caught on camera committing homicide. though for someone on fire, Bray was very still.