2fm playing censored version of fairytale of New York

The John Greene Show

Gerry Ryan & Larry Gogan would be disgusted at this

ford fiesta

The John Greene Show wrote: »

Gerry Ryan & Larry Gogan would be disgusted at this

Considering 2FM was probably the first Irish station it was played on in 1987, I think most people are disgusted.

TheBMG

The John Greene Show wrote: »

Gerry Ryan & Larry Gogan would be disgusted at this

Why? And have you asked them?

gluppers

Can't believe people still listen to this station

Stihl waters

Easily the worst station on mainstream radio

tayto lover

All stations should play the original. Nothing like the original.

KaneToad

Ray D'Arcy just played the full version on Radio1.
Proper order.

Stihl waters

Send the spineless bastards a text to let them know what you think of them, 51552

ELM327

those cheap lousy ******s!

EDIT: The asterisks are from boards not me!

endacl

I love this time of year. The cold crisp air. The decorations up. The 'they're playing the sanitised version of Fairytale of New York' thread...



Two words for you. Ronan Keating. It could be worse.

KildareP

Gas altogether.


Fairytale of New York = disgusting.


But songs like Ariana Grande - Side to Side, or Cardi B singing about WAP (and she's not referring to the early version of internet tech on mobile phones), no problem at all, play away.

KaneToad

KildareP wrote: »

Gas altogether.


Fairytale of New York = disgusting.


But songs like Ariana Grande - Side to Side, or Cardi B singing about WAP (and she's not referring to the early version of internet tech on mobile phones), no problem at all, play away.

*Googles "Side to side" and "Ariana Grande"

ELM327

KildareP wrote: »

Gas altogether.


Fairytale of New York = disgusting.


But songs like Ariana Grande - Side to Side, or Cardi B singing about WAP (and she's not referring to the early version of internet tech on mobile phones), no problem at all, play away.

Nobody says it's disgusting except the superwoke(TM)

Even Xmas FM played the real version of it the other day.

I thought this had blown over and we all accepted it as it was meant to be. I don't even think Gay people find it offensive? I think it's people getting offended on their behalf.

TheBMG

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Even Xmas FM played the real version of it the other day.

I thought this had blown over and we all accepted it as it was meant to be. I don't even think Gay people find it offensive? I think it's people getting offended on their behalf.

Shane McGowan himself has said he’s no issue with the ‘haggard’ version being played.

ford fiesta

ELM327 wrote: »

those cheap lousy ******s!

EDIT: The asterisks are from boards not me!

So the word ****** is banned on Boards:( ...as bad as 2FM

Breaston Plants

TheBMG wrote: »

Shane McGowan himself has said he’s no issue with the ‘haggard’ version being played.

He actually says it's ridiculous that it's censored.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/11/26/the-pogues-shane-macgowan-fairytale-of-new-york-bbc-ban-censorship-homophobia/&ved=2ahUKEwjTzpqhpLztAhWzURUIHQYHCFgQFjAdegQIOBAB&usg=AOvVaw1JDvDEP6RYUX943-Wy3kJQ

Say Your Number

All the time I hear songs with curse words censored on commercial radio, why do ye only care about this specific case of censorship?

marklazarcovic

See the little ****** with the earring and the makeup
Yeah buddy that's his own hair
That little ****** got his own jet airplane
That little ****** he's a millionaire



not a peep about dire straits eh

Cole

KildareP wrote: »

Gas altogether.


Fairytale of New York = disgusting.


But songs like Ariana Grande - Side to Side, or Cardi B singing about WAP (and she's not referring to the early version of internet tech on mobile phones), no problem at all, play away.

Nail on the head.

.anon.

Say Your Number wrote: »

All the time I hear songs with curse words censored on commercial radio, why do ye only care about this specific case of censorship?

Exactly, I'd love to know what's so fucking very special about that particular word that they believe it should be protected while other songs aren't.

Snake Plisken

Wasn't it a certain presenter who kicked up about it last year took issue with it and that's why we get the censored version!

.anon.

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Wasn't it that little idiot Eoghan McDermott kicked up about it last year took issue with it and that's why we get the censored version!

The 'censored' version is exactly the same except for one word. Why is that word so important?

Snake Plisken

.anon. wrote: »

The 'censored' version is exactly the same except for one word. Why is that word so important?

I don't agree with any censorship, next thing they will be looking to change the name as it has the word "Fairy" in the title and no doubt that will offend someone eventually

alias no.9

Snake Plisken wrote: »

I don't agree with any censorship, next thing they will be looking to change the name as it has the word "Fairy" in the title and no doubt that will offend someone eventually

I'm waiting for PETA to intervene and restore the dignity and pride of maggots everywhere

atr2002

ford fiesta wrote: »

So the word ****** is banned on Boards:( ...as bad as 2FM

A ****** of sticks

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/******

Queer is next for the chopping block?

ford fiesta

atr2002 wrote: »

A ****** of sticks

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/******

Queer is next for the chopping block?

I think using the word Queer is acceptable now, but it was not when Garbage released their single "Queer" in 1995 and that song was not banned, even though the word Queer is mentioned around 20 times in the song.

retalivity

Snake Plisken wrote: »

I don't agree with any censorship, next thing they will be looking to change the name as it has the word "Fairy" in the title and no doubt that will offend someone eventually

Non-binary-tale of New Amsterdam.

Actually that maybe offensive to the Lenape tribe that lived there before the Dutch, so should be changed

Non-binary-tale of Lenapehoking.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

This is such bollocks...you shouldn't censor art full stop because someone got offended. Like who exactly got offended? This is just another case of virtue signaling.

Isn't there another line in the song where shane calls Kirsty an "old slut on junk".. how long before that bit is censored. Why stop there...shur just ban it altogether...

Meanwhile Cardi B or Nicky Minaj can sing about their giant arses and/or pussies and that's deemed appropriate.

It's all bollocks.

Beechwoodspark

It’s quite comical


It does not make sense that songs like wap and side to side and many many rap songs with explicit sexual language are allowed that even the likes of doctor dre would turn off if he heard it

But poor old fairytale of NY is “cancelled”

jdon72

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

It’s quite comical


It does not make sense that songs like wap and side to side and many many rap songs with explicit sexual language are allowed that even the likes of doctor dre would turn off if he heard it

But poor old fairytale of NY is “cancelled”

You obviously haven't heard WAP or side to side on the radio before; the explicit words are removed from it. WAP's radio version is pretty much just the instrumental due to words being censored. Why should it be different for Fairytale of New York??

Beechwoodspark

jdon72 wrote: »

You obviously haven't heard WAP or side to side on the radio before; the explicit words are removed from it. WAP's radio version is pretty much just the instrumental due to words being censored. Why should it be different for Fairytale of New York??

Sorry now I heard the fully explicit version of wap on today fm the other day so you are wrong on that

jdon72

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Sorry now I heard the fully explicit version of wap on today fm the other day so you are wrong on that

Well that shouldn't be played either. Any stations I've heard it on have censored any explicit words in it

Elmo

https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2020/1207/1182809-fairytale-of-new-york-debate-censorship-authenticity-shane-macgowan-pogues/



If people don't understand that I was trying to accurately portray the character as authentically as possible", McGowan said in a 2018 statement, "then I am absolutely fine with them bleeping the word, but I don't want to get into an argument"

But what got me about this article was

So if ‘Fairytale of New York’ happens to be part of your Christmas tradition, maybe make room for one or two less words? Try replacing them with something more inclusive. And maybe, while you’re at it, add something new and different to the dinner table, including dishes by your non-Christian, non-Christmas celebrating family, neighbours and friends.

When did food become religious? Christmas Dinner has nothing to do with Christianity, it's just a meal with food.

And of course not once is the following line mentioned

You're an old slut on junk
Lying there almost dead on a drip in that bed

Possibly the most vile line in the whole song, but sure.

Feisar

I had a bit of a think on this. I don't like it being censored but I believe it should be. Imagine being a young person struggling with their sexuality. Maybe getting bullied at school, maybe feeling negative about themselves. All over the Xmas there is this song that uses a word that is a slur on their sexuality. I'd say it'd be quite hurtful.

WAP etc, are crude/lewd but not hurtful.

Elmo

Feisar wrote: »

I had a bit of a think on this. I don't like it being censored but I believe it should be. Imagine being a young person struggling with their sexuality. Maybe getting bullied at school, maybe feeling negative about themselves. All over the Xmas there is this song that uses a word that is a slur on their sexuality. I'd say it'd be quite hurtful.

WAP etc, are crude/lewd but not hurtful.

They should have the intelligence enough to understand that the song has nothing to do with their sexuality and that the characters being played by both singers are in very vulnerable places and that they are lashing out.

It's the biggest time of the year, everyone is under stress.

This is the story of a young immigrant couple with their dreams cat calling each other in a heat argument when nothing is going right. They are trying to be as nasty as they can be from him calling her a drug addicted man eater to her call him a guy who uses everyone.

Do we not teach children to examine prose and poetry and explain their meaning.

Quantum Erasure

jdon72 wrote: »

Well that shouldn't be played either. Any stations I've heard it on have censored any explicit words in it

They replaced 'wet-ass pussy' with 'wet and gushy', which is nearly worse...

Edit, also... https://xkcd.com/37/

ford fiesta

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

They replaced 'wet-ass pussy' with 'wet and gushy', which is nearly worse...

The other lyrics of Cardi B, WAP are much worse than that.
I never heard of the song before today:eek:, the lyrics are here:

https://genius.com/Cardi-b-wap-lyrics

colm_mcm

marklazarcovic wrote: »

See the little ****** with the earring and the makeup
Yeah buddy that's his own hair
That little ****** got his own jet airplane
That little ****** he's a millionaire



not a peep about dire straits eh

That’s not on the radio version though?

Cole

Feisar wrote: »

I had a bit of a think on this. I don't like it being censored but I believe it should be. Imagine being a young person struggling with their sexuality. Maybe getting bullied at school, maybe feeling negative about themselves. All over the Xmas there is this song that uses a word that is a slur on their sexuality. I'd say it'd be quite hurtful.

WAP etc, are crude/lewd but not hurtful.

Imagine being a young person struggling with the increasing complications of growing into adulthood, while hearing WAP (censored or not) blasting out and being sold the message that it's empowering for women...but the nuance of the lyrics in Fairytale of NY is almost hate speech.

ford fiesta

colm_mcm wrote: »

That’s not on the radio version though?

There is only one version of Dire Straits "Money for Nothing" and it's played on the radio. The way it should be.

Cole

Cole wrote: »

being sold the message that it's empowering for women

Is it? Is the song not just "be a whore and get what you want" (examples in the song are getting a car, paying tuition fees etc from your pussy). In between ads about how men aren't real men if they pay for sex.

colm_mcm

ford fiesta wrote: »

There is only one version of Dire Straits "Money for Nothing" and it's played on the radio. The way it should be.

I def remember a version without that whole verse with ****** in it

Snake Plisken

colm_mcm wrote: »

I def remember a version without that whole verse with ****** in it

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_for_Nothing_(song)

Read about it on the wiki of the song they have performed it replacing the word with "Queenie"

applehunter

The station may as well be called Gay FM for all the pandering it does to homosexuals.

radiotrickster

applehunter wrote: »

The station may as well be called Gay FM for all the pandering it does to homosexuals.

Seems more like giving respect than pandering to me.

colm_mcm

Snake Plisken wrote: »

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_for_Nothing_(song)

Read about it on the wiki of the song they have performed it replacing the word with "Queenie"

The version on their “Best of” album had that bit missing, this was the version I remember played on the radio in the late 90s / 00s

https://youtu.be/Abp03PNcBVY

California Dreamer

Let's all listen to 2FM to hear it.....and their ads......and then be outraged.......and then go and buy the product that you heard advertised.

Until such time as advertisers start pulling their ads, nothing will change but sure are all talking about it so it works in their favour.

lertsnim

colm_mcm wrote: »

That’s not on the radio version though?

I have absolutely heard that on the radio many times.

California Dreamer wrote: »

Let's all listen to 2FM to hear it.....and their ads......and then be outraged.......and then go and buy the product that you heard advertised.

Until such time as advertisers start pulling their ads, nothing will change but sure are all talking about it so it works in their favour.

Does it work in their favour though if it doesn't entice people to actually tune in?

coylemj

KaneToad wrote: »

Ray D'Arcy just played the full version on Radio1.
Proper order.

This would suggest that RTE have adopted the same policy as BBC Radio - the oldies have heard it so often in the past that there's no point in censoring it. Whereas the delicate ears of the youngsters must be protected. Yes, the same youngsters who are exposed to far worse language on social media every minute of the day.

So BBC R1 censors it while BBC R2 does not.

Atlantic Dawn

Was listening earlier to 2FM, Jenny Greene played Holiday by Greenday, I thought I was imagining it but no I wasn't the lyrics played uncensored were...

"Bang, bang" goes the broken glass and
Kill all the fags that don't agree
Try to fight fire, setting fire
Is not a way that's meant for me

Slightly more offensive than Fairytale Of New York.

https://genius.com/Green-day-holiday-lyrics