Possible puppy farm?

JustAThought

Don’t worry - we waited five pages for any meaningful input on buying & selling models and all you contributed was your usual dogmatic droning & reasons as to why you the expert are
right but no input to the issue asked. I win’t be holding my breath for any meaningful input into the question from any of the ‘professional breeders’ and self proclaimed experts here. As usual the industry has inputted zero into the discussion on how the model could compare or be chamged for the betterment of dogs and hs descended into the usual I’m the expert rescue
son’t buy guilting & accusatory statements.

No wonder the breeding bitches and puppies continue to suffer - rescuing albeit noble and good for many dogs is not the answer for all dogs nor for all owners - and those with vested interests and professional breeders and people who make their living by them simply refuse to engage or try to bombast people asking meaningful questions . Same ole same ole.

I could tell you but I won’t. Jeaus wept.

Knine

JustAThought wrote: »

And as all the professional breeders on this site - now 4 or 5 posting and liking each others comments - are all commercial money maryters and have never taken anything like the going breeders rate for pups - let
me commend them all for their humanity and subservience to the dog kingdom - it must be hard getting in and out of bed every day with halos so big .
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Professional Breeders? Really? I don't see any comments or posts from any Professional Breeders! I think your clearly one tracked brain is confusing Reputable Hobby Breeders with puppy farmers. I could make a fortune out of my dogs if I was like the type of breeder you are clearly associating with. My last litter was 2 puppies 2 years ago & I kept one, a stunning male. I was left broke after that litter. I have been contacted non stop to use him at stud - even to cross breeds.

Oh what are your qualifications since you seen keen to slate those that actually put in the time & effort to gain them!

We have numerous rescues too over the years, all have been lovely dogs

DBB

JAT... how do you expect people to engage with you when you talk to them and about them as you do here?
I'm more than happy to talk about anything dog related, including other models in other countries, and I'd like to think I've helped a lot of people on this forum over the years, but when I'm referred to in such a disparaging and disrespectful way as you have done, why would you think I should respond?
There aren't any "professional breeders" that I know of on this forum btw.
Please, try to be civil in your response, if you can

Cherry Blossom

Like this post if, like me you have never bred a dog in your life 🤨

piplip87

Puppy farms will keep going here and keep making money as-long as the rescues make it as difficult as possible to actually adopt a dog. Jesus some if the questionnaires out there are ridiculous. Luckily I a friend of mine works in one and we got our two through her.

JAT, you want to discuss successful models for buying and selling dogs in other countries but you clearly have a poor understanding of what's going wrong in this country. Maybe you should start there instead?

In this thread you've promoted irresponsible sourcing, disparaged rescue dogs, conflated the prices of reputable breeders with those of barkyard breeders/puppy farmers and despite being corrected several times continue to believe that a dog being IKC registered somehow means it came from a reputable breeder. You don't even understand the difference between a reputable breeder and a professional breeder (as you call them).

Then when an actual expert tries to discuss with you , you talk to her like she's dirt. I am not a breeder, I do not work in rescue. I do love dogs and take the time to read about, research and take a real interest in their training , welfare and behaviour and I for one am very grateful that DBB takes the time out of her busy life to allow us here to pick her brain. For free!! I've learned so much from DBB and other knowledgeable posters here over the years. I'm genuinely embarrassed for you that you can't see that opportunity and engage in meaningful or respectful way.

If you don't want to discuss with a qualified and experienced person like that.. who is you do want to discuss with? And don't bother saying you wanted to talk to DBB but she decided not to. The way you spoke above isn't deserving of a reply from her tbh and doesn't exactly inspire confidence that you'd take anything on board anyway, since you refuse to even acknowledge the mistakes you've made in your own posts.

cocker5

piplip87 wrote: »

Puppy farms will keep going here and keep making money as-long as the rescues make it as difficult as possible to actually adopt a dog. Jesus some if the questionnaires out there are ridiculous. Luckily I a friend of mine works in one and we got our two through her.

Seriously how can you blame rescues for the existence of puppy farms?

I’m shocked..

bertiebomber

rescues place animals in safe homes that will be secure and its unlikely the animal will be on the street again. I do think they can be excessively hard but a recent animal, a rescued horse was placed in a good home and then sold to travellers for 250 euro so they have to be vigilant about all placements. its too easily to own a dog in ireland that where the work should be done. Every single couple gets engaged get married get house get dog have child 99% of the time then dog is dumped - a dog is like a rite of passage to see if they can look after anything beside themselves and is the first thing to be discarded. FACT

tk123

FICTION. 100% of the young families I know locally haven't re homed their dogs once they had kids..I'm not saying it doesn't happen.. but you're generalising a bit there.

bertiebomber

tk123 wrote: »

FICTION. 100% of the young families I know locally haven't re homed their dogs once they had kids..I'm not saying it doesn't happen.. but you're generalising a bit there.

maybe but those who keep the dog usually relegate him to out doors or worse tied up i ve seen it.

Knine

bertiebomber wrote: »

rescues place animals in safe homes that will be secure and its unlikely the animal will be on the street again. I do think they can be excessively hard but a recent animal, a rescued horse was placed in a good home and then sold to travellers for 250 euro so they have to be vigilant about all placements. its too easily to own a dog in ireland that where the work should be done. Every single couple gets engaged get married get house get dog have child 99% of the time then dog is dumped - a dog is like a rite of passage to see if they can look after anything beside themselves and is the first thing to be discarded. FACT

Lol what a vast generalisation. :eek: Lots of my dogs have gone to such families & they all still have them!

wixy18

I've got my cavachon female 5 years ago. I guess I was lucky to get her from a good home. I wanted the same type of dog for a couple of years now. I'm asthmatic and allergic to other dogs, so can't rescue. I thought that have one litter was a good idea. I was asking around for a Bichon stud, willing to pay a fee or give a puppy. No luck. And people were judgemental. Then I rang one "reputable breeder with a website". 1600 for a pup! And he has them all the time! That's bad. I guess it's too late for my dog to have the first litter at age 6 and I have to queue for purebred Maltese or something...

Knine

wixy18 wrote: »

I've got my cavachon female 5 years ago. I guess I was lucky to get her from a good home. I wanted the same type of dog for a couple of years now. I'm asthmatic and allergic to other dogs, so can't rescue. I thought that have one litter was a good idea. I was asking around for a Bichon stud, willing to pay a fee or give a puppy. No luck. And people were judgemental. Then I rang one "reputable breeder with a website". 1600 for a pup! And he has them all the time! That's bad. I guess it's too late for my dog to have the first litter at age 6 and I have to queue for purebred Maltese or something...

I would be judgemental too if someone wanted to use one of my dogs on a cross breed. It is also strictly against the IKC code of ethics.

DBB

bertiebomber wrote: »

maybe but those who keep the dog usually relegate him to out doors or worse tied up i ve seen it.

So that makes it a FACT for 99% of newlywed owners, does it?

bertiebomber

DBB wrote: »

So that makes it a FACT for 99% of newlywed owners, does it?

bite me !

DBB

bertiebomber wrote: »

bite me !

So, let me get this straight. You make a hugely sweeping generalisation that's way off the mark, and when you're pulled up on it, that's the best you can come up with?
I dunno. There's some very strange claims being made in this thread, made by people who get snarky when asked to back up what they're saying.
Pity.

tk123

DBB wrote: »

So, let me get this straight. You make a hugely sweeping generalisation that's way off the mark, and when you're pulled up on it, that's the best you can come up with?
I dunno. There's some very strange claims being made in this thread, made by people who get snarky when asked to back up what they're saying.
Pity.

99% of BS artists don't like being called out on their BS.. and that is a FACT

anewme

I am finding the majority of the discussion valuable, it is interesting to hear both sides, breeder and rescue.

Hellrazer

bertiebomber wrote: »

bite me !

Very constructive to the thread.
Youve already had a couple of on thread warnings in this forum.Youve ignored mod instructions about not posting on thread again.Have a small break from the forum.

cocker5

Unfortunately I do know numerous couples personally who purchased puppies - 4/5 years later they have welcomed their first child and yes the dogs were either given to other family members or dumped in a rescue ..

I only know of 2 couples who have kept their dogs when their family grew.
And you know the sad thing is when the PHN / nurse visited them at home when they came home with the baby on both occasions they were advised to lock the dog outside .. for health reasons and also for the safety of the baby.. thankfully they ignored this crap advice ..

Sad state of affairs but true.

Don’t think everyone gives their dogs away once they have kids but the reality is many do .. and then their are the people who keep them but lock them outside...

cocker5

cocker5 wrote: »

Unfortunately I do know numerous couples personally who purchased puppies - 4/5 years later they have welcomed their first child and yes the dogs were either given to other family members or dumped in a rescue ..

I only know of 2 couples who have kept their dogs when their family grew.
And you know the sad thing is when the PHN / nurse visited them at home when they came home with the baby on both occasions they were advised to lock the dog outside .. for health reasons and also for the safety of the baby.. thankfully they ignored this crap advice ..

Sad state of affairs but true.

Don’t think everyone gives their dogs away once they have kids but the reality is many do .. and then their are the people who keep them but lock them outside...

I know people who have as well cocker. And same as that a couple of friends/family were told by PHN to get rid. But 99% FACT?? That's just a nonsense thing to say. I know loads of new parents who kept their dogs and continue to dote on them as much as ever.

borderlinemeath

bertiebomber wrote: »

rescues place animals in safe homes that will be secure and its unlikely the animal will be on the street again. I do think they can be excessively hard but a recent animal, a rescued horse was placed in a good home and then sold to travellers for 250 euro so they have to be vigilant about all placements. its too easily to own a dog in ireland that where the work should be done. Every single couple gets engaged get married get house get dog have child 99% of the time then dog is dumped - a dog is like a rite of passage to see if they can look after anything beside themselves and is the first thing to be discarded. FACT

FACT: I had a child. I had 3 dogs at the time.
FACT: None of them went outdoors
FACT: I now have 5 dogs
FACT: None of them are shuttered out the back.

cocker5

Deleted User wrote: »

I know people who have as well cocker. And same as that a couple of friends/family were told by PHN to get rid. But 99% FACT?? That's just a nonsense thing to say. I know loads of new parents who kept their dogs and continue to dote on them as much as ever.

Agree 99% is not accurate .. I’m just sorry for the animals it happens at all!

I’d never part with my guy he’s a family member.

tk123

Deleted User wrote: »

know loads of new parents who kept their dogs and continue to dote on them as much as ever.

Yes and using the dog's walk as an excuse for a break from their mad house lol :pac::pac::pac:

tk123

tk123 wrote: »

Yes and using the dog's walk as an excuse for a break from their mad house lol :pac::pac::pac:

Ha yeah some dogs do very well out of it! More walks than ever.

Knine

tk123 wrote: »

Yes and using the dog's walk as an excuse for a break from their mad house lol :pac::pac::pac:

I hear you

Hellrazer

borderlinemeath wrote: »

FACT: I had a child. I had 3 dogs at the time.
FACT: None of them went outdoors
FACT: I now have 5 dogs
FACT: None of them are shuttered out the back.

We`re the exact same. We`ve had dogs since the day we got married 25 years ago. Our first baby was born @ 28 weeks premature and although she was quite tiny and vulnerable the dogs always stayed indoors. That was the same for the other 3 (kids) that came along. None of the dogs was ever put out.

Even now its a case of the dogs get more attention than the kids!!!

Ms2011

Both myself and my husband were made redundant in 2011, we did not get rid of our 3 dogs and 1 cat.
We had our first baby in 2012, we did not get rid of our 3 dogs and 1 cat.
We had a second child in 2015, we did not get rid of our 3 dogs and 1 cat.
We moved county to our forever home in 2017, we did not get rid of our 3 dogs and 1 cat.

When you take on a pet you must not only consider your present life but also your future one and if you can care for them should your circumstances change.

Autosport

I’m on the lookout to rescue a dog and I’m finding it very difficult. I personally don’t want a pup and I’m not looking for a designer breed. I’m on lots of different rescue waiting lists but it’s not looking good. I can see why people get desperate and buy a pup.

tk123

Autosport wrote: »

I can see why people get desperate and buy a pup.

It’s ok to buy a pup though if that’s what you prefer.. there’s no shame in it. Well not from me anyways. It’s a personal decision - I respect a persons decision to rescue .. this isn’t always a two way street though as I’ve learned but I couldn’t care less.