Bloody Sunday 100 years later

LuasSimon

Powerful commemoration by Brendan Glesson in Croke Park this evening 100 years after the Black and Tans shot dead 14 people including players and children at a Gaelic football match in Croke Park . Presently on RTÉ 2 .

Quantum Erasure

Is this the video Stephen Kenny showed before the England match?

Fann Linn

Just mentioned that myself on the GAA thread. As one who goes regularly to matches with my wife and grandchild it's so sad that what started out as an ordinary sporting Sunday for families ended in terror.

PsychoPete

hurler32

Hard to believe Charlie Flanagan and others in Fine Gael wanted to commentate the RIC and Black and Tans earlier this year .

Let the woke self loathing begin.

Plumbthedepths

PsychoPete wrote: »

Yet you took the effort to show how you don't care.

Sir Oxman

I tuned in just before the wreath laying and I can say I have never been so moved in a long time by a commemoration.
A lump in my throat after that piece of music and video and the simple setting at Croke Park

Stacksofwacks

Do these melodramatic presentations drudging up bad memories really help unity on our island?

Stihl waters

Wasn't the dublin goalie on the day involved in the killings that morning iirc, great men of the time, pity what the cowardly British did in retaliation

.anon.

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Let the woke self loathing begin.

Why are people so desperate to shoehorn the word 'woke' into every single thread?

Church on Tuesday

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Do these melodramatic presentations drudging up bad memories really help unity on our island?

Well it's 100 years since the event in which some people went to a football match and never came home which was and still is simply not acceptable.

It's also important not to forget.

RonaVirus

Good to see the organizers don't have West Brits in their ranks. They usually try to qualify what happened at Croke Park by mentioning the justified military actions earlier that day.

.anon.

.anon. wrote: »

Why are people so desperate to shoehorn the word 'woke' into every single thread?

Because that’s what they think they are. Look at the rubbish posted a few up about melodrama.

.anon.

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Because that’s what they think they are. Look at the rubbish posted a few up about melodrama.

Learn a new word, ffs.

RonaVirus

.anon. wrote: »

Learn a new word, ffs.

It is what it is. Can't just make up a new word for it.

WoollyRedHat

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Because that’s what they think they are. Look at the rubbish posted a few up about melodrama.

You're not making any sense, could you please form a coherent argument Reginald? It's like you just woke up.

.anon.

.anon. wrote: »

Learn a new word, ffs.

Poor diddums, it’s just a word. I’m talking about a stinking attitude that all too many people have and you have a word annoying you.

Woke rubbish is exactly what it is. Call it something else if it keeps your blood pressure down but you’ll be wrong.

WoollyRedHat

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

You're not making any sense, could you please form a coherent argument Reginald? It's like you just woke up.

A few posts up. But some ability of thought would have worked out that much.

Poor effort.

WoollyRedHat

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

A few posts up. But some ability of thought would have worked out that much.

Poor effort.

I'd say the same about yours, can you expand on your line of thinking, without resorting to empty cliches? Might make the thread more interesting.

WoollyRedHat

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

I'd say the same ab

Same ab?

WoollyRedHat

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Same ab?

I've edited my post, it posted too early , if you could perhaps look again.

Stacksofwacks

bloody talking nonsense to each other

WoollyRedHat

Jesus, can someone at least post the Alan Partridge clip?

Stacksofwacks

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Well it's 100 years since the event in which some people went to a football match and never came home which was and still is simply not acceptable.

It's also important not to forget.

Its nationalist propaganda which is rife within the GAA, did they lay a wreath for the British officials who were murdered in front of their families that morning?

.anon.

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Poor diddums, it’s just a word. I’m talking about a stinking attitude that all too many people have and you have a word annoying you.

Woke rubbish is exactly what it is. Call it something else if it keeps your blood pressure down but you’ll be wrong.

The attitude to which you refer (willful historical ignorance and shoneenism) isn't 'woke'.

Galwayguy35

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Its nationalist propaganda which is rife within the GAA, did they lay a wreath for the British officials who were murdered in front of their families that morning?

Fook them they deserved it.

WoollyRedHat

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Its nationalist propaganda which is rife within the GAA, did they lay a wreath for the British officials who were murdered in front of their families that morning?

Do you understand what nationalist propaganda is? Pure nonsense.

Stacksofwacks

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Its nationalist propaganda which is rife within the GAA, did they lay a wreath for the British officials who were murdered in front of their families that morning?

The British didn’t even bother laying a wreath for those filthy swines so I don’t see why we should do it for them. They were the enemy.

SeaFields

Very powerful piece that Brendan Gleason did. It kind of seemed fitting it was in an empty stadium.

Plumbthedepths

A good piece by D Ferriter.https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/heritage/diarmaid-ferriter-bloody-sunday-1920-changed-british-attitudes-to-ireland-1.4411709

Plumbthedepths

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Its nationalist propaganda which is rife within the GAA, did they lay a wreath for the British officials who were murdered in front of their families that morning?

The commemoration is about the 14 men, women and children murdered by the uniformed agents of an occupying power.
I'm not familiar with any state that commemorates the deaths of their oppressors.

smellyoldboot

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Do these melodramatic presentations drudging up bad memories really help unity on our island?

We'd have had a better shot at unity if we had of actually carried out the type of ethnic cleansing our loyalist friends always accused us of. To Hell or to Stranraer. As it is , I want no unity if it means compromising our own identity to accommodate those animals.

Stihl waters

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Its nationalist propaganda which is rife within the GAA, did they lay a wreath for the British officials who were murdered in front of their families that morning?

British officials gathering intelligence and justified killing of foreign interlopers is what it was, you're coming across as a simpleton if you think spies on an information gathering brief weren't fair game for a bullet in the head

Stacksofwacks

smellyoldboot wrote: »

We'd have had a better shot at unity if we had of actually carried out the type of ethnic cleansing our loyalist friends always accused us of. To Hell or to Stranraer. As it is , I want no unity if it means compromising our own identity to accommodate those animals.

that's it dehumanize the otherside and the purge is on

smellyoldboot

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Its nationalist propaganda which is rife within the GAA, did they lay a wreath for the British officials who were murdered in front of their families that morning?

Pity there wasn't more of them culled.

statesaver

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Its nationalist propaganda which is rife within the GAA, did they lay a wreath for the British officials who were murdered in front of their families that morning?

They were here as willing combatants and were here to kill Michael Collins and his people.

British officials Were they here checking paper work ?

smellyoldboot

statesaver wrote: »

They were here as willing combatants and were here to kill Michael Collins and his people.

British officials Were they here checking paper work ?

Should have taken the Sicilian route and taken out the families too just to make sure.

statesaver

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

that's it dehumanize the otherside and the purge is on

WAR IS HELL

Necro

Mod:

Thread moved to CA, reminder to read the charter

statesaver

It was a nice tribute in Croke Park today. Well done to all involved.

pummice

LuasSimon wrote: »

Powerful commemoration by Brendan Glesson in Croke Park this evening 100 years after the Black and Tans shot dead 14 people including players and children at a Gaelic football match in Croke Park . Presently on RTÉ 2 .

There werent 14 people shot dead. 3 of the 14 died in the crush.

El_Duderino 09

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Let the woke self loathing begin.

Is it woke to want to commemorate it or woke to oppose the commemoration?

Donald Trump

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Its nationalist propaganda which is rife within the GAA, did they lay a wreath for the British officials who were murdered in front of their families that morning?

Get out of that.


If it was just a few citizen officials murdered randomly in the morning then you wouldn't have had the British Army out on a revenge mission now would you? Those agents could have decided not to bring their families to act as camouflage to what was essentially a conflict zone if they so wished.



When there was shooting in the Regency hotel a few years back, where one group of criminals tried to kill members of another group, you didn't see the Guards or the army invading Shamrock Rovers ground to randomly shoot spectators. And if they did, you probably wouldn't be defending them. I mean, you might be relatively unconcerned as the victims would be likely LOI soccerball heads, but on the principle of the matter you would probably be considerably nonplussed.

.anon.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Is it woke to want to commemorate it or woke to oppose the commemoration?

Both.

Quantum Erasure

Just watching the Meath Dublin game

#BlackCardsMatter

whisky_galore

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

The British didn’t even bother laying a wreath for those filthy swines so I don’t see why we should do it for them. They were the enemy.

They actually got a full on state funeral.

Some of the Irish victims didn't even get grave stones until recently.

Mr. Karate

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Its nationalist propaganda which is rife within the GAA, did they lay a wreath for the British officials who were murdered in front of their families that morning?

If the GAA was full of Nationalists then they would not have let a Muslim ceremony take place in Croke Park this past summer.

Church on Tuesday

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Its nationalist propaganda which is rife within the GAA, did they lay a wreath for the British officials who were murdered in front of their families that morning?

Look, I won't be drawn into this nonsense argument. Posters like you (and there are many on this site who love to draw this contrarian line of argument for ****s and giggles about just about anything) would argue with their shadows and it's beyond sad.

Leave aside Anglo Irish relations; the simple fact is that innocent people went to see a game of football and never came back from it, that's a world apart from working as British Intelligence officials who obviously were well aware of the potential dangers of working in Dublin at the time. You can't even compare the two scenarios.

The GAA are remembering an awful event which happened within their own stadium, I fail to see why the GAA would have to go out and lay wreaths for members of British Intelligence killed in war.

James Brown

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Do these melodramatic presentations drudging up bad memories really help unity on our island?

Why, the long disbanded black and tans/RIC a culture now?

Brings how much of an arse Charlie Flanagan and his fellow travelers are to the fore.

Jonybgud

Mr. Karate wrote: »

If the GAA was full of Nationalists then they would not have let a Muslim ceremony take place in Croke Park this past summer.

The GAA was a different organisation 100 years ago, full of aspirations and actually capable of uniting people.

Today, they are more of a religious cult, money being their almighty God.

What happened in Croke Park 100 years ago was a war crime, no different to the recent news storey about the Aussies in Afghanistan.