More Traveller Bays Carrickphierrish Road

Azatadine

https://www.waterfordcouncil.ie/projects/public-consultations/index.htm

Looks like they are planning to add even more bays to that place.

Wanderer78

Azatadine wrote: »

https://www.waterfordcouncil.ie/projects/public-consultations/index.htm

Looks like they are planning to add even more bays to that place.

im sure it ll just be fine!

Dum_Dum

Azatadine wrote: »

https://www.waterfordcouncil.ie/projects/public-consultations/index.htm

Looks like they are planning to add even more bays to that place.

Scroll down that page and you'll see: "Proposed Nuclear Power Station at Sizewell C, Suffolk, England, UK"


Give me the nuclear power station as a neighbour over the travellers any day.

smellyoldboot

What could possibly go wrong. God love any poor fcuker who paid a small fortune for a house out that way. Waterford council has your back.

Harry Palmr

Social housing and travellers, it's pretty clear what the policy of the council is. Social cleansing.

bluess99

Azatadine wrote: »

https://www.waterfordcouncil.ie/projects/public-consultations/index.htm

Looks like they are planning to add even more bays to that place.

Thats already after been approved by Council it stands where the original site is. They are going to knock down the dwellings that are there, and move all the carvans and the one thats on stills that appeared over night and built 7 brand new houses with a day house. Council defiantly looking after the Travelling Community up there.

friendlyfun

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Social housing and travellers, it's pretty clear what the policy of the council is. Social cleansing.

What's wrong with social housing?

mooseknunkle

Dum_Dum wrote: »

Scroll down that page and you'll see: "Proposed Nuclear Power Station at Sizewell C, Suffolk, England, UK"


Give me the nuclear power station as a neighbour over the travellers any day.

I'd rather live in Chernobyl than in Carrickphierish.

OhToBeByTheSea

bluess99 wrote: »

Thats already after been approved by Council it stands where the original site is. They are going to knock down the dwellings that are there, and move all the carvans and the one thats on stills that appeared over night and built 7 brand new houses with a day house. Council defiantly looking after the Travelling Community up there.

7 brand new houses and a day house? When it's obvious that they prefer to live in caravans? When it's obvious that they'll wreck the 7 brand new houses and day house like they wreck everything else? When it's obvious that they will contribute nothing towards any of this and, instead, the taxpayers will pay their bills as usual.

Could someone please tell me what purpose these people serve? What do they contribute to society? It must be something really special seeing as how so much money is spent on them and their every whim is accommodated.

They've turned that area into a pigsty and a no-go area for many and now, they're being rewarded for it?! What a lesson to them.

What's a day house?

killbillvol2

bluess99 wrote: »

Council defiantly looking after the Travelling Community up there.

Learning to spell would definitely help clarify your argument.

Vestiapx

killbillvol2 wrote: »

Learning to spell would definitely help clarify your argument.

Which word did you not understand?

killbillvol2

Vestiapx wrote: »

Which word did you not understand?

If you don't see a difference between defiantly and definitely, particularly in the context, you should probably drop out of the debate.

Wanderer78

friendlyfun wrote:

What's wrong with social housing?

Nothing, but it's heavily stigmatized, and these areas are generally slapped together, then largely forgotten about

killbillvol2 wrote:

If you don't see a difference between defiantly and definitely, particularly in the context, you should probably drop out of the debate.

Really, now why is that?

Dum_Dum

Deleted User wrote: »

What's a day house?

If the council are lavishing taxpayers money on it then it's a stucco ceilinged townhouse with Rococo flourishes.

smellyoldboot

killbillvol2 wrote: »

Learning to spell would definitely help clarify your argument.

It could be argued even that the council's ongoing support for the travelling community in that area is Indeed defiant. It's certainly not in line with the best interests of their other tenants and private home owners in the area.

There hasn't been a lick of planning done up there. They're just throwing up whatever and wherever. That apartment block that's just been plonked in the middle of nowhere being particularly offensive.

StringerBell

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There hasn't been a lick of planning done up there. They're just throwing up whatever and wherever. That apparent block that's just been plonked in the middle of nowhere being particularly offensive.

That the block of apartments kinda on the other side of the road from the library that just seems to be in the middle of a field, alone?

Perplexing alright

StringerBell

StringerBell wrote: »

That the block of apartments kinda on the other side of the road from the library that just seems to be in the middle of a field, alone?

Perplexing alright

That's the very one.

Eleven Benevolent Elephants

Can people not lodge an objection similar to any other proposed plan?

Like the apple centre was refused.

Someone pop up a link to Waterford co co where you can put in an objection, we'll all put in an objection.

Azatadine

Email to

part8housingsubs@waterfordcouncil.ie

Or written to

Director of Services, Housing Department, Waterford City & County Council, City Hall, The Mall, Waterford

Wanderer2010

friendlyfun wrote: »

What's wrong with social housing?

It has a lot of undesirables who do nothing but watch tv, breed, collect multiple social welfare payments and cause a nuisance of themselves with loud music and general noise. Thats whats wrong with it.

Hoffmans

Must be some money in those stray ponies ,201 202 jeeps all round the gaff

nights wood will be a new caŕrickpherish in a year are the neighbours not a grand bunch not involved in any criminality or vandalism in the area...

Azatadine

Its a shocking indictment that they seem to plan to just keep adding more and more of them to the Carrickphierrish Road. It must be a plan that they have to concentrate them there rather than anywhere else.

Asdfgh2020

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There hasn't been a lick of planning done up there. They're just throwing up whatever and wherever. That apartment block that's just been plonked in the middle of nowhere being particularly offensive.

I think you will find that the main reason that the Carrickpherish area is as it is today is due to the last recession. I recall a very detailed ‘neighbourhood plan’ for the whole area some 116/17 years ago......road was constructed and it was to be followed by two to three major housing developments school etc etc.......we all know what happened Re housing in 2007/2008......have to say the school and library are of very high quality however unfortunately looks like the rest of the planned housing etc will take a lot longer to materialise.....

Harry Palmr

friendlyfun wrote: »

What's wrong with social housing?

In theory nothing at all. The issue for me is the mentality that underpins much of it. It's pretty clear that Carrickpherrish is now a defacto ghetto so the council will pile social issue upon social issue and create a no go zone. If you have a policy of social housing you should have the balls to integrate it into the wider population, not stick in on a relief road/shortcut on the under-developed western edge.

Asdfgh2020

Harry Palmr wrote: »

In theory nothing at all. The issue for me is the mentality that underpins much of it. It's pretty clear that Carrickpherrish is now a defacto ghetto so the council will pile social issue upon social issue and create a no go zone. If you have a policy of social housing you should have the balls to integrate it into the wider population, not stick in on a relief road/shortcut on the under-developed western edge.

Not sure what the exact term that is used but I thought every housing development built since some time in the early ‘00’s had to have a certain percentage of social/affordable type houses...?

friendlyfun

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

It has a lot of undesirables who do nothing but watch tv, breed, collect multiple social welfare payments and cause a nuisance of themselves with loud music and general noise. Thats whats wrong with it.

It also has a lot of hard working people who study, go to work, and contribute to the rest of society.

Wanderer78

Wanderer2010 wrote:

It has a lot of undesirables who do nothing but watch tv, breed, collect multiple social welfare payments and cause a nuisance of themselves with loud music and general noise. Thats whats wrong with it.

The reality is, these folks needs have in fact never been met, most of the issues in these areas, is deeply psychological, generational truma, undiagnosed, therefore untreated complex disorders etc etc, which simply creates dysfunction on top of dysfunction, we ve never truly addressed these issues, we ve continually ignored them, and the (Not so) funny thing is, it costs you, the tax payer, a fortune, by not addressing these issues, and not just financially either. Most of these individuals require urgent and serious psychological help from trained professionals, possibly for life, which ultimately doesn't exist in Ireland, unless you have the income to support it, getting such help in Ireland, doesn't come cheap. Rather than doing what's required to try resolve these issues, we ve decided the best thing to do is sit around and ridicule these folks, I'm sure that 'll work!

Wanderer2010

friendlyfun wrote: »

It also has a lot of hard working people who study, go to work, and contribute to the rest of society.

Would you take that risk on which way the dice landed , gambling your precious mental health, money, time and effort on the hope that you end up living next to your category of people? I know i certainly wouldnt.

friendlyfun

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Would you take that risk on which way the dice landed , gambling your precious mental health, money, time and effort on the hope that you end up living next to your category of people? I know i certainly wouldnt.

I'm just talking about regular people in social housing. I don't mind them. I've lived in social housing and wouldn't be ashamed of it either.

Wanderer2010

friendlyfun wrote: »

I'm just talking about regular people in social housing. I don't mind them. I've lived in social housing and wouldn't be ashamed of it either.

Im sure there are a few nice families amongst them but i wouldnt personally risk my peace of mind, potential resale value and my property against the odds falling my way. Look at all the people who paid full whack for houses out in Mount Suir and now they are trapped. Nobody in their right mind is going to buy a house out there now and all the families who cause the hassle were just handed a house and they never worked a day in their lives. Crazy unjust system.

Eleven Benevolent Elephants

Put a bar of soap and a job application on your doorstep.

That'll scare off the cream crackers.

vriesmays

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

all the families who cause the hassle were just handed a house and they never worked a day in their lives. Crazy unjust system.

There's a new apartment block directly beside Dundrum SC in Dublin and every apartment there is for social housing. These would cost about 2 grand per month to rent in the private market.

Asdfgh2020

vriesmays wrote: »

There's a new apartment block directly beside Dundrum SC in Dublin and every apartment there is for social housing. These would cost about 2 grand per month to rent in the private market.

And your point is....?

Wanderer78

Wanderer2010 wrote:

Would you take that risk on which way the dice landed , gambling your precious mental health, money, time and effort on the hope that you end up living next to your category of people? I know i certainly wouldnt.

You are right with this one though, I come from a well known social housing estate, and even I wouldn't recommend moving people into some of these areas, purely for their and their loved ones well being, it would simply wreck it, and probably your family to. Another social train wreck!

smellyoldboot

I live in social housing and can't wait to get out, would have serious reservations about buying anywhere that has social housing next door or in the immediate vicinity. I'd say for every normal hardworking family in social housing there is another one that is anti-social/gaming the system. We have a very broken approach to housing allocation in this country.

Wanderer78

smellyoldboot wrote: »

I live in social housing and can't wait to get out, would have serious reservations about buying anywhere that has social housing next door or in the immediate vicinity. I'd say for every normal hardworking family in social housing there is another one that is anti-social/gaming the system. We have a very broken approach to housing allocation in this country.

you ll actually find housing is one of our main root causes of our social issues, ive had mental health professionals confirm to me, if you cant get that right, you may forget about trying to solve the complex social and mental health issues in society, its fairly obvious when you think about it, property and land is a mess, and getting worse

spookwoman

smellyoldboot wrote: »

I live in social housing and can't wait to get out, would have serious reservations about buying anywhere that has social housing next door or in the immediate vicinity. I'd say for every normal hardworking family in social housing there is another one that is anti-social/gaming the system. We have a very broken approach to housing allocation in this country.

Problem is also in private housing estates. Live in what would be regarded a decent place but it's gone to the dogs in the last few years with rentals supported by the council. Rent here but we keep to ourselves.

Last few years cars set on fire. Police are a regular sight. Kids just left run wild and everyones garden is theirs. I've also noticed with the kids they are getting cruel towards animals in the area. House near by no longer rented because of a tenant that destroyed the place and pretty much broke everything in it. People just don't seem to care about those around them.

Asdfgh2020

Hate to break the news to you but it’s more ‘social and affordable’ type housing mixed with private housing developments that is proposed rather than less. Morning Ireland did a report yesterday about a proposal for an 850 unit development somewhere in Dublin with wait for it....50% ‘ social and affordable’....Councillors were voting on it last night.....alternative is to put all social and subsidized housing together in one development/area and you will end up with modern day ballymuns/ballybegs all over the country.....?

Wanderer78

Asdfgh2020 wrote:

Hate to break the news to you but it’s more ‘social and affordable’ type housing mixed with private housing developments that is proposed rather than less. Morning Ireland did a report yesterday about a proposal for an 850 unit development somewhere in Dublin with wait for it....50% ‘ social and affordable’....Councillors were voting on it last night.....alternative is to put all social and subsidized housing together in one development/area and you will end up with modern day ballymuns/ballybegs all over the country.....?

Looks like they voted against it, housing has become extremely complex, majority of people are becoming deeply unhappy in their homes, we can't keep doing this

Flow Motion

I happened to be driving on the Carrickpherish Road yesterday afternoon and witnessed one of the travellers lads topless and only in a pair of shorts yet working out bouncing on a high pair of kangoo jump blades in the pouring rain on the path. Had to be seen to be believed. Quite funny in a surreal Father Ted kinds way :pac:

StringerBell

I've driven past before and witnessed the Kangoo training, absolutely incredible sight to behold alright

Flow Motion

StringerBell wrote: »

I've driven past before and witnessed the Kangoo training, absolutely incredible sight to behold alright

Its pretty unique alright. Esp on a dank misty Monday afternoon in mid November. Mad Max meets Rocky meets Joe Wicks. Quite a combo :eek:

Dum_Dum

smellyoldboot wrote: »

I live in social housing and can't wait to get out, would have serious reservations about buying anywhere that has social housing next door or in the immediate vicinity. I'd say for every normal hardworking family in social housing there is another one that is anti-social/gaming the system. We have a very broken approach to housing allocation in this country.

It's awful not being happy where you live. It affects every fabric of your life.


In my world you would not have to move - they would - the trash. We really need a behaviour based system. They have no right to impose their degeneracy upon others - anti-social behaviours, noise and downright criminal behaviour. What's wrong with a shipping container with a bucket in the corner for them?

Wanderer78

Dum_Dum wrote:

In my world you would not have to move - they would - the trash. We really need a behaviour based system. They have no right to impose their degeneracy upon others - anti-social behaviours, noise and downright criminal behaviour. What's wrong with a shipping container with a bucket in the corner for them?

I'm sure this would quickly whip them into shape!

Dum_Dum

Wanderer78 wrote: »

I'm sure this would quickly whip them into shape!

Free iPhone in exchange for vasectomies.

Wanderer78

Dum_Dum wrote: »

Free iPhone in exchange for vasectomies.

maybe a jeep to

Eleven Benevolent Elephants

Azatadine wrote: »

Email to

part8housingsubs@waterfordcouncil.ie

Or written to

Director of Services, Housing Department, Waterford City & County Council, City Hall, The Mall, Waterford

I don't know how objections work, nor have I ever made one.

Do you have to give a reason for your objection? And will CoCo decide on a case by case basis whether or not that objection is considered?

I live almost 200 km away, will my objection be considered?
How do you word an objection?

If someone could word a template we could all copy and paste it to the council.

Dum_Dum

Wanderer78 wrote: »

maybe a jeep to

Still economical. And, more importantly, peace and balance restored to the Universe.

Dum_Dum

Eleven Benevolent Elephants wrote: »

I don't know how objections work, nor have I ever made one.

Do you have to give a reason for your objection? And will CoCo decide on a case by case basis whether or not that objection is considered?

I live almost 200 km away, will my objection be considered?
How do you word an objection?

If someone could word a template we could all copy and paste it to the council.

You must really hate them!