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If boards existed in the 1930's & 1940's what would the threads say about Hitler?
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If boards existed in the 1930's & 1940's what would the threads say about Hitler?
Just to say I'm quite impressed - this thread has managed to successfully Godwin itself
I think it might be necessary to divide up any potential reaction pre and post the commencement of WW2.
Pre WW2 Hitler was a pretty popular fellow. With all types of supporters in this country - anyone remember the term "blueshirts" and all those who went off to fight in Spain on behalf of Hitlers bedfellow - Franco? He had plenty of popular support in the UK and elsewhere.
The thing is Hitlers support base grew from very small beginnings into a populist mass movement.
Lots of people thought he was a great fellow
for the fairly mundane reasons such as getting Germany out of the post WW1 economic disaster, reducing Germanys huge unemployment rate, etc etc
It was the minority who were pointing out the obvious cracks in the background.
And I'm damn sure it would be the exact same here. A majority would be saying that he was a great fellow. How he loves his pet alsation, looks after his niece, doesn't drink, is fond of cabbages etc and doesn’t like any type of hunting whatsoever. Grand lad altogether.
The thing is not only did he get elected but also managed to convince over 60 million Germans that he was a most popular guy. What we know of him now - is that he was able to succesfully manipulate people and hoodwink them into hero worship.
And as Wibbs pointed out , it would be a small number who would actually stand up and say- 'eh hang on - this guy isn't what he seems"
In retrospect too many Sky History programs make him out to be an eejit - who no one liked. Unfortunately that's only the view in the rearview mirror. Something we should keep in mind about those who can successfully persuade others that black is white and only they have the solution to all our problems...0 -
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He also brought in the first antismoking campaigns(an ex smoker and you know what they can be likeThe thing is Hitlers support base grew from very small beginnings into a populist mass movement.
Lots of people thought he was a great fellow
for the fairly mundane reasons such as getting Germany out of the post WW1 economic disaster, reducing Germanys huge unemployment rate, etc etc
It was the minority who were pointing out the obvious cracks in the background.
And I'm damn sure it would be the exact same here. A majority would be saying that he was a great fellow. How he loves his pet alsation, looks after his niece, doesn't drink, is fond of cabbages etc and doesn’t like any type of hunting whatsoever. Grand lad altogether.
) and bans on vivisection, apparently more workers rights, jobs, money in people's pockets and a more "safe" Germany, well for those considered pure German and gave back confidence to a people still reeling from WW1 and the reparations that crippled the country. He hit most of the spots for ordinary Germans and many outside of Germany. He was well liked in the US. Henry Ford(a notorious prick and antisemite) had a signed dedicated copy of Mein Kampf on his desk and Hitler had a signed dedicated copy of Ford's autobiography on his. Many overseas companies were only to happy to deal with Hitler's Germany, even when Jewish names started to fade out of employee lists. German companies made billions out of him and supported him all the way and from early on as "a man who could get things done". Bugger all were ever held to account for it too. Less than a handful ever went to trial and fewer were hanged.
As for a minority, here's a well known pic of one man who went against the grain.
Trolling. Like a fcukin boss.
+1. That's an all too American simplification too and God knows latterly Americans want that even more. They need the cowboy in the black hat and the hero in the white. It's comforting. More, it adds to the feeling that "this could never happen here". People need that. Europeans even more so. That such a catalogue of horrors could spring forth from one of the great European civilisations was and remains extremely discomforting. One could even argue that our more extreme cultural equivalence popular enough today comes from that discomfort. The Japanese who were also utter barbarians get more of a free ride because well, they're not White y'know. There's an element of "well what would one expect really", to it. But educated and urbane White people...In retrospect too many Sky History programs make him out to be an eejit - who no one liked. Unfortunately that's only the view in the rearview mirror. Something we should keep in mind about those who can successfully persuade others that black is white and only they have the solution to all our problems...
Another aspect to WW2 that my dad mentioned to me when I was a kid and it stuck with me; WW2 was a war where propaganda on the winning sides never really switched off after it was over. So Hitler was an insane fool. Dunkirk(run away, run away!!!) was a triumph, Churchill was a genius(he wasn't, made numerous blunders and was a cnut to allies), Vera Lynn flying Spitfires winning the Battle of Britain(a battle they would have had to try hard to lose, and very nearly did), the Americans won everything and are surprised the Germans are even in it and Russians believing the Nazi invasion was actually a cunning Soviet plan to give the Germans a false sense of security(while Stalin was ready to leg it on his special train eastwards). We're still living with the aftermath of it even today.Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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He also brought in the first antismoking campaigns(an ex smoker and you know what they can be like) and bans on vivisection, apparently more workers rights, jobs, money in people's pockets and a more "safe" Germany, well for those considered pure German and gave back confidence to a people still reeling from WW1 and the reparations that crippled the country. He hit most of the spots for ordinary Germans and many outside of Germany. He was well liked in the US. Henry Ford(a notorious prick and antisemite) had a signed dedicated copy of Mein Kampf on his desk and Hitler had a signed dedicated copy of Ford's autobiography on his. Many overseas companies were only to happy to deal with Hitler's Germany, even when Jewish names started to fade out of employee lists. German companies made billions out of him and supported him all the way and from early on as "a man who could get things done". Bugger all were ever held to account for it too. Less than a handful ever went to trial and fewer were hanged.
As for a minority, here's a well known pic of one man who went against the grain.
Trolling. Like a fcukin boss.
+1. That's an all too American simplification too and God knows latterly Americans want that even more. They need the cowboy in the black hat and the hero in the white. It's comforting. More, it adds to the feeling that "this could never happen here". People need that. Europeans even more so. That such a catalogue of horrors could spring forth from one of the great European civilisations was and remains extremely discomforting. One could even argue that our more extreme cultural equivalence popular enough today comes from that discomfort. The Japanese who were also utter barbarians get more of a free ride because well, they're not White y'know. There's an element of "well what would one expect really", to it. But educated and urbane White people...
Another aspect to WW2 that my dad mentioned to me when I was a kid and it stuck with me; WW2 was a war where propaganda on the winning sides never really switched off after it was over. So Hitler was an insane fool. Dunkirk(run away, run away!!!) was a triumph, Churchill was a genius(he wasn't, made numerous blunders and was a cnut to allies), Vera Lynn flying Spitfires winning the Battle of Britain(a battle they would have had to try hard to lose, and very nearly did), the Americans won everything and are surprised the Germans are even in it and Russians believing the Nazi invasion was actually a cunning Soviet plan to give the Germans a false sense of security(while Stalin was ready to leg it on his special train eastwards). We're still living with the aftermath of it even today.
He was though or more to the point he was completely militarily incompetent at fairly crucial times; he wasted any amounts of time and resources on military projects that were doomed to fail, routinely ignored advice from generals, his invasion of Russia was very nearly a success yet he single handedly scuppered it by driving for the Caucasus oil fields instead of baring down on Moscow as he was rightly advised to do.
The victors always write the history in the end, even if they were allies. The Canadians never got credit for their efforts in the liberation of Rome and Italy (the Americans swung in and took all the credit in the end) and propaganda derided even that effort with D- Day.0 -
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