25k a day to hire the convention centre

PhilOssophy

What a colossal waste of money by the Oireachtas, surely the Dáil business could be conducted online and save the tax payer a fortune in the hiring cost of the Convention Centre, TD's mileage (I know, turkeys don't vote for Christmas), etc.

Every other company in the land is able to conduct their business online, why is this any different?

25k could surely be spent better than that in my view.

Bubbaclaus

It's because some dose is reading the constitution literally and as a result deeming that a remote sitting of the Dail could be unconstitutional.

suicide_circus

We're borrowing €219 billion this year.

That's €219,000,000,000

219,000,000,000/25,000 = 8,760,000

8,760,000/365 days =

We can rent the convention centre for 24,000 years.

Edit: This is all wrong.

James Brown

PhilOssophy wrote: »

What a colossal waste of money by the Oireachtas, surely the Dáil business could be conducted online and save the tax payer a fortune in the hiring cost of the Convention Centre, TD's mileage (I know, turkeys don't vote for Christmas), etc.

Every other company in the land is able to conduct their business online, why is this any different?

25k could surely be spent better than that in my view.

Isn't it now owned by the state? Maybe we get some of that back in some form?

Boggles

suicide_circus wrote: »

We're borrowing €219 billion this year.

donvito99

I don't think it's legal to conduct votes etc. remotely.

suicide_circus

Boggles wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/1018/1172209-budget-debt-covid/

Maybe it's a typo

J.O. Farmer

suicide_circus wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/1018/1172209-budget-debt-covid/

Maybe it's a typo

Its 20 billion borrowing this year, I presume the 219 is the national debt.

Idbatterim

25k a day! LOL! when nobody else can or would actually rent the place. Tell them 5k a day and thats it! oor maybe bord gais energy theatre or the RDS etc, but renting it out at 25k for an extended period, is a disgrace!

jucko

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

Its 20 billion borrowing this year, I presume the 219 is the national debt.

Can we borrow the 219, pay off all our debts... and finally, BURN THE (current) BONDHOLDERS

Spanish Eyes

Seems it is a PPP. Follow the money.

https://www.theccd.ie/about-us/board-of-directors#:~:text=The%20building%20itself%20is%20owned,Irish%20Infrastructure%20Fund%20(IIF).

suicide_circus

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

Its 20 billion borrowing this year, I presume the 219 is the national debt.

LoL ok

Disregard my maths above!

Guy:Incognito

The Aviva would be cheaper. It's outdoor and bigger. The whole lot of them could be there

mynamejeff

donvito99 wrote: »

I don't think it's legal to conduct votes etc. remotely.

i don't know about that, they have regularly held court hearings by video link for years now


there's a million ways to do this cheaper and easier but our shysters chose the most lucrative way for them

JasonStatham

25k a day is normal for Dublin rent. Haha.

suicide_circus

Idbatterim wrote: »

25k a day! LOL! when nobody else can or would actually rent the place. Tell them 5k a day and thats it! oor maybe bord gais energy theatre or the RDS etc, but renting it out at 25k for an extended period, is a disgrace!

Yeah i'd love to know what the daily rate is in normal times

poppers

Idbatterim wrote: »

25k a day! LOL! when nobody else can or would actually rent the place. Tell them 5k a day and thats it! oor maybe bord gais energy theatre or the RDS etc, but renting it out at 25k for an extended period, is a disgrace!

The convention centre is given to thegov for free the expenses are running costs
https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0703/1151219-convention-centre-costs/

dhaughton99

The National Transport Authority (NTA) has spent roughly €966,000 renting offices from WeWork at Charlemont Exchange since April 2019, says a spokesperson for the NTA.

https://dublininquirer.com/2020/11/11/some-query-rent-bill-for-nta-s-offices-at-wework-building

Boggles

poppers wrote: »

The convention centre is given to thegov for free the expenses are running costs
https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0703/1151219-convention-centre-costs/

25k a day running costs, WTF are they heating it with Faberge eggs?

Back into the Dáil the lot of them and let them wear masks, it's almost always nearly empty anyway during the "debates".

If it is "safe" enough for 30+ 17 years olds in a cramped class room it will do them.

mynamejeff

mynamejeff wrote: »

i don't know about that, they have regularly held court hearings by video link for years now


there's a million ways to do this cheaper and easier but our shysters chose the most lucrative way for them

One has nothing to do with the other.

Idbatterim

Idbatterim wrote: »

25k a day! LOL! when nobody else can or would actually rent the place. Tell them 5k a day and thats it! oor maybe bord gais energy theatre or the RDS etc, but renting it out at 25k for an extended period, is a disgrace!

The State wasn’t charged for renting the venue apparently. The costs associated were paid to kit it out for the meeting.

un5byh7sqpd2x0

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

It's because some dose is reading the constitution literally and as a result deeming that a remote sitting of the Dail could be unconstitutional.

It’s designed to be read literally.

El Tarangu

mynamejeff wrote: »

i don't know about that, they have regularly held court hearings by video link for years now


there's a million ways to do this cheaper and easier but our shysters chose the most lucrative way for them

Did we not have a big scandal last year with members voting on behalf of other members, etc? I can see how, if everyone was voting from home and there was some sort of close vote, that there could be allegations of TDs voting on one another's behalf, and similar.

Guy:Incognito

Boggles wrote: »

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If it is "safe" enough for 30+ 17 years olds in a cramped class room it will do them.

This is a silly argument and used for everything now.

School is important, it's on because kids need to learn and there's no comparison between a couple of hundred TDs with staff and however many school kids there are in the country at a time.

Guy:Incognito

Astrid Bitter Dirt wrote: »

It’s designed to be read literally.

It's also written in a time before the prospect of TDs being able to have a mass meeting remotely and let the dail function properly.


Much like the Americans and using the 2nd amendment , ratified 230 years ago when they couldn't dream of the weapons we have now, to justify owning weapons capable of mass murder.

Boggles

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

This is a silly argument and used for everything now.

School is important, it's on because kids need to learn and there's no comparison between a couple of hundred TDs with staff and however many school kids there are in the country at a time.

Ah. Government work is important too?

They are banging the drum the schools are safe, lead by example, The Dáil which is quite a substantial building as is, is more than adequate to perform the duties (safely).

Stagger if need be and wear and masks.

Like I said the majority of the time there is only handful of people in there anyway.

Absolutely no sane reason we should paying 25k a day for this absolute folly, no other country is acting the bollíx in that regard.

I wonder who owns that centre?

Guy:Incognito

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

It's also written in a time before the prospect of TDs being able to have a mass meeting remotely and let the dail function properly.


Much like the Americans and using the 2nd amendment , ratified 230 years ago when they couldn't dream of the weapons we have now, to justify owning weapons capable of mass murder.

It's still the constitution though and it's still how it must be.

We can hardly make the entire country go to polling stations to vote on allowing the dail sit remotely because we don't want people going outside

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

no other country is acting the bollíx in that regard.

Prior to making that comment, did you perform even cursory research into it's accuracy?

Have you actually spent time examining the government's of the entire globe and their covid fiscal activities?

Boggles

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Prior to making that comment, did you perform even cursory research into it's accuracy?

Have you actually spent time examining the government's of the entire globe and their covid fiscal activities?

By all means old boy, refute the claim.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

By all means old boy, refute the claim.

Not how it works in afraid chum, you made the statement, you back it up.

First link when I searched 'covid' and 'corruption':

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/19/world/africa/coronavirus-south-africa-aid-corruption.html

Boggles

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Not how it works in afraid chum, you made the statement, you back it up.

First link when I searched 'covid' and 'corruption':

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/19/world/africa/coronavirus-south-africa-aid-corruption.html

Firewalled.

Something about corruption in South Africa?

What that has to do with a 25k being spent daily on a convention center in Dublin that isn't needed is a true mystery.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

Firewalled.

Something about corruption in South Africa?

What that has to do with a 25k being spent daily on a convention center in Dublin that isn't needed is a true mystery.

It's not firewalled for me.

This, was your statement:

Boggles wrote: »

no other country is acting the bollíx in that regard.

So again i ask, did you perform any research prior to making this statement?

Boggles

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

So again i ask, did you perform any research prior to making this statement?

You're confused, it's okay though. Have a good one.

Guy:Incognito

Boggles wrote: »

Ah. Government work is important too?

The dail can work just fine remotely. Its effectively a business meeting. They dont need to be in the same room to shout over each other.

Boggles

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The dail can work just fine remotely. Its effectively a business meeting. They dont need to be in the same room to shout over each other.

Yet they choose to spend 25k a day on a 1100 capacity room. Go Figure.

#optics.

MrMusician18

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The dail can work just fine remotely. Its effectively a business meeting. They dont need to be in the same room to shout over each other.

They do because the constitution says they do. If they're were to ignore it then everything they do could be struck down as being unconstitutional.

If we had more reasonable politicians, a pairing arrangement should've been angle to get around this.

PhilOssophy

MrMusician18 wrote: »

They do because the constitution says they do. If they're were to ignore it then everything they do could be struck down as being unconstitutional.

If we had more reasonable politicians, a pairing arrangement should've been angle to get around this.

Video evidence can surely be used to confirm votes, etc.

MrMusician18

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Video evidence can surely be used to confirm votes, etc.

It's not about the confirmation of votes it's about the constitution. The consortium says that oireachtas votes are deemed passed if they are voted for by a majority of those present. You can't be present if you are voting remotely.

So say the government wants to pass a bill and the government TDs all vote remotely for it, but 10 of the opposition vote against, in person in the chamber. Has the vote passed, according to the constitution?

RasTa

Be a lot more when they add their food and drink packages.

PhilOssophy

We can write emergency legislation in a heart beat. I am sure we could do the same if we needed to for this.

Bubbaclaus

PhilOssophy wrote: »

We can write emergency legislation in a heart beat. I am sure we could do the same if we needed to for this.

Only a referendum can change the constitution, as we all know.

whisky_galore

Wtf is wrong with Leinster House?

On a side note, when the state wants to purchase or lease anything, euro signs light up the eyes of the private sector as the state is a bottomless money pit of course.

PhilOssophy

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Only a referendum can change the constitution, as we all know.

So if I am on a zoom call, and raise my hand in favour, you are saying I am not present? Even if the call is recorded, etc? Define present?

I'm asking as much as any thing. I know a referendum is needed to change the constitution.

Solutionking

whisky_galore wrote: »

Wtf is wrong with Leinster House?

On a side note, when the state wants to purchase or lease anything, euro signs light up the eyes of the private sector as the state is a bottomless money pit of course.

I thought the issue was due to space/size. In Leinster house they couldn't social distance?

Boggles

Solutionking wrote: »

I thought the issue was due to space/size. In Leinster house they couldn't social distance?

Sure lots of workplaces can't social distance.

Including education settings, where they are crammed in like sardines.

Stagger and wear a mask.

They only sit for 3 days anyway and the majority of time 10+ meter social distance is possible because there is no one in there.